Anti-Dwarves - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Groin Redbeard · 12-30-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zxcvbn

I get the feeling that you just have trouble accepting that the noble, tough race of Dwarves could turn to evil. No, you can't use that logic with any scenerio. There are no good counterpart to the Orcs(anti-Orcs) and there is no evil counterpart to the Elves(very very few Elves ever served the enemy). And there are no 'anti-Hobbits' either(very few bad Hobbits). The only places you can use this logic are for Men and Dwarves, because in both cases the Enemy managed to corrupt a good many of them(Haradrim, Easterlings and Dwarves of Eastern Houses).

Maybe I am a little ignorant of the truth, but I don't think of number of "Anti-Dwarves" is any larger than the number of elves that are evil.

Gwathagor · 12-30-2007, 10:45 PM

I'm not sure that the concept of "anti-dwarf" necessarily entails dwarves fighting for Sauron or Morgoth. An anti-dwarf, in the way we have used the term here, I think more concerns the dwarvish tendency to be self-serving and greedy that dominates the wicked dwarves, and is the weakness of good ones. Dwarves are not necessarily worse than any other race as a whole; but if one was going to identify the worst enemy of a good dwarf, it would be a bad dwarf, whereas the worst enemy of an elf is an orc.

Groin Redbeard · 12-31-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I'm not sure that the concept of "anti-dwarf" necessarily entails dwarves fighting for Sauron or Morgoth. An anti-dwarf, in the way we have used the term here, I think more concerns the dwarvish tendency to be self-serving and greedy that dominates the wicked dwarves, and is the weakness of good ones. Dwarves are not necessarily worse than any other race as a whole; but if one was going to identify the worst enemy of a good dwarf, it would be a bad dwarf, whereas the worst enemy of an elf is an orc.

Ok, I think I can settle for that answer. Thanks Gwathagor!

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 12-31-2007, 05:39 PM

Yes, Dwarves are strange folk indeed! What will we ever do with them?

Groin Redbeard · 12-31-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatElvenWarrior

Yes, Dwarves are strange folk indeed! What will we ever do with them?

Strange! They are hardy and quiet, not strange. We love them.

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 12-31-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Strange! They are hardy and quiet, not strange. We love them.

Yes, strange, weird, crazy..... But so am I, and people love me! I like dwarves too. Don't mess with the dwarves or me for that matter!

Groin Redbeard · 12-31-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatElvenWarrior

Yes, strange, weird, crazy..... But so am I, and people love me! I like dwarves too. Don't mess with the dwarves or me for that matter!

Well said, I'll stop mess'n with you now.

Gwathagor · 12-31-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Ok, I think I can settle for that answer. Thanks Gwathagor!

But of course!

alatar · 01-02-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Dwarves are not necessarily worse than any other race as a whole; but if one was going to identify the worst enemy of a good dwarf, it would be a bad dwarf, whereas the worst enemy of an elf is an orc.

Not so much 'worst enemy,' as for dwarves it may be dragons (for elves it may be balrogs, as stated by - I think - Legolas in FotR), but what would have Melkor raised up as a 'counter?'

12-30-2007, 10:45 PM	#2
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