WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Legate

I don't know what are we going to do if we lynch him (and we don't know we did so) and the game does not end, but whatever. Then we just keep lynching each other until only one remains.

That’s not so far fetched, you know. Do you not know your Werewolf lore, man? Have you not heard the tale of the village where both Werewolves present were lynched early on, but the villagers were not told the role of the second? Kept lynching each other they did, even though they were all ordinary innocents, with a death duly occurring each Night, until only one villager was left. I know. Because I was that villager. And one of the last three remaining was none other than the phantom mod himself (and the instigator of such madness his guest narrator).

Are we really surprised about all these mysteries? After all, we came here knowing that all would not be as it seemed. Yet, we have nevertheless slogged away lynching a Werewolf a Day (save for one off Day) with aplomb. Does it not seem mighty strange that we have been so successful? Although we have also the Wolves themselves to thank in part, seeing as how they have been at each other’s throats so much. Two rival packs of Wolves might explain it, as that has been known too, but why then only one death (if any) each Night? Farael speculated that Mac and Rikae may have been Lovers, at odds with their pack-mates, yet Rikae did not die immediately upon Mac's demise.

And then there is the mystery that Farael and Eomer began to unravel even as the sun set yesterDay. Eomer was correct. According to the narrative, the Cursed was turned on Night 4. I had missed it because of the delay in the explanation of the Night’s events (we were, at first, told only that three Wolves remained), and because I later assumed that Farael’s theory that Boro had saved him that Night was correct. And so the Ranger must have been successful on Night 3. Yet Boro told us that he protected Mac that Night, while Farael told us that was the Night that he dreamed of Mac and found him to be a Wolf. Neither (as far as we know) had any reason to lie. How could Mac be both a Wolf and saved by the Ranger on the same Night? Competing Wolf factions might again explain it. Or perhaps Boro did not protect the person that he thought he was protecting, which might point to the presence of some other powerful influence in the village, apart from the Wolves.

And what about the Fog and the Voice? The Fog, it seems, is Master of the Wolves. But the Voice doesn’t seem to be entirely on our side either. Might this too point to two packs of Wolves?

And finally, we are now told that no further roles will be revealed. As has been said, what could be the point of that if only one Wolf and no Gifteds remain? Again, it would suggest that there is another present who, while not necessarily on the side of the Wolves, may not necessarily have the village’s best interests at heart.

I raise these questions not to solve them, for we have little chance of doing that with any certainty until this village has played out its own tale. If I had to settle on an answer, the competing Wolf factions theory (whether rival packs or Lovers) would seem the most likely explanation. But we cannot be sure. It will, I think, be worth bearing in mind that there may well be one (or more even) here present who, while not Wolfish, have their own sinister agenda to pursue.

Still, there is little point in dwelling at length on these questions. The best thing that we can do right now, I guess, is find the one Wolf that we know remains.

One thing that we do know from the facts (as far as we can ever be sure of anything in this village). If the Cursed was turned on Night 4, it cannot have been Nogrod, Nerwen or Mac. The Cursed was either Rikae, in which case she was awakened on the very Night that Farael dreamed of her and found her a Wolf, or it is the remaining Wolf. I find the latter more likely.

[The Might]

Well, it's really late here, 3:15 AM to be exact, but you know, this may well go in the addicted to the BD section. I just needed to check the WW and see what was going on.

Just read SPM's post and I really think that he is right. What if we really had two packs that knew nothing of each other? That would be indeed a twist...

And what about this fog. Why isn't it the Shade or the Flame or whatever name a wolf has...why is it this fog? And this voice? Could it be that each side has an avatar like figure that somehow controls everything? I don't know...

As for the idea about everyone simply lynching each other till the end, I find that quite disturbing... I mean who really wins in the end then? That's somehow not really WW in the end, but just a madness. On the other hand, TP knew that Rikae was going down toDay and so that one Wolf would still be surviving so he might have planned this before and waited until this time.

So...what if the Wolf is killed and nobody knows? Well, hope that won't happen.

Now, I realise that besides talking about these interesting twists I haven't really said anything accusing others in this post, but sorry, the beer has taken its toll and I won't start now.
However, sometime during the Day I will try to post something about those I suspect most.

Sooo...good night till then!

[The Saucepan Man]

Quiet here, innit?!

So, as I said, our best bet is to carry on trying to find the last Wolf.

Legate: Given the circumstances, I am inclined to trust him less than I usually would a known innocent. But, the fact that Farael dreamed of him does not make it any more likely that he has a secret role. If he is truly benign, he will probably die toNight, so there is not much point in speculating further about him at this point.

Aganzir: I am still suspicious of her, for reasons stated previously. What with all the Wolf-on-Wolfs we have had, I still don’t trust her Day 1 vote for Nogrod. But I would like to hear more from her. Given that there is no point in pursuing Legate toDay, Aganzir, what are your thoughts on everyone else?

Eomer: One of my main causes of concern over him was his switch from pursuing Nerwen to voting for The Might on Day 3. But, since it is now clear that the Cursed joined the Wolves on Night 4, that is no longer so relevant. Other than his calm demeanour on Day 5, which is hardly damning in itself, I haven’t seen much else to concern me. Not high on my list of priorities toDay.

Isabellkya: With her, I come back to that vote for Mac when his fate was all but sealed. There is little else to go on though, since she has been relatively quiet, although that in itself may be telling. Wary of her but, again, would like to hear more from her.

Kath: When I thought the Cursed had been turned on Night 3, I thought her concerted vendetta against Nerwen an indicator of likely innocence. That’s no longer the case. The timing of her vote for Mac still speaks in her favour, but it could have been a very clever move for a Wolf looking to make it to the end on her own. Still not high on my list of suspects, but I will nevertheless be keeping my eye on her.

Mormegil: As the Days have worn on, I have found myself trusting morm more and more. He speaks a lot of sense and comes across as genuine. That, of course, is how the last Wolf no doubt wants to come across and it would be dangerous to overlook morm. I have not forgotten the way he voted for Farael and then switched to Mac on Day 5. It looked to suspicious to me at the time although, if he is a Wolf, it did have the effect of preventing him from saving Mac, had the opportunity arisen. On balance, I am still inclined to think him more likely innocent for now.

The Might: Another one from whom I would like to hear more. A whole lot more. His reluctance to engage in trying to find the final Wolf yesterDay looks bad to me, as does his early defence of Nerwen. He tarries high in my suspect list.

Still, we have the best part of a Day to go yet, so I'm hoping that there will be more to go on when I return.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by The Might

That would be indeed a twist...

Not a new one, though.

Originally Posted by The Might

That's somehow not really WW in the end, but just a madness.

Too true.

Originally Posted by The Might

Now, I realise that besides talking about these interesting twists I haven't really said anything accusing others in this post, but sorry, the beer has taken its toll and I won't start now.
However, sometime during the Day I will try to post something about those I suspect most.

Well, don't leave it too long. Your thoughts at this time would be most welcome.

[mormegil]

I must take back my earlier theory of Eomer as it seemed to fit really well with the night 3 as he really did seem to switch but I agree with SpM, that since it was pointed out in the narration, my theory doesn't fit with the evidence. I'm reluctant to not suspect him as he doesn't sit right but I won't be voting for him today. My vote remains for The Might as his post today is again unhelpful and I feel he could be avoiding saying anything incriminating.

Originally Posted by SpM

One thing that we do know from the facts (as far as we can ever be sure of anything in this village). If the Cursed was turned on Night 4, it cannot have been Nogrod, Nerwen or Mac. The Cursed was either Rikae, in which case she was awakened on the very Night that Farael dreamed of her and found her a Wolf, or it is the remaining Wolf. I find the latter more likely.

Saucie, you have been fairly lucid on your guesses but this section quoted above made me think a bit. I wonder if the wolves had the option, so to speak of who was there cursed and on a predesignated night the remaining wolves were able to pick. If Mac began as a wolf, which seems very apparent now, then it is probable that he picked Rikae on the 4th night. The trade off would likely have been that while you get to pick who is your wolf you don't get a kill that night. It makes sense that he would pick Rikae due to their RL stuff. As with SpM these are ideas and cannot be proved but may help explain things. If this is true, for example, then we have a wolf on our hands from the start, if not then we need to find the cursed.

Originally Posted by SpM

I have not forgotten the way he voted for Farael and then switched to Mac on Day 5.

For what it is worth, I was, like most, very confused at the time. I thought it wise to try and keep things equal so as to continue to apply pressure to both parties. My gut told me to keep trusting Boromir and he was really the only of the 4 I trusted. So his plea for me to switch sounded desparate but genuine so I decided to follow him.

As a whole I would really appreciate hearing more from Kath, Isabell and The Might.

[Aganzir]

I had almost thought I could escape the fog by flying, but here I seem to approach the village again.

First, how on earth can you know if the cobbler counts as innocent? Some people here seem to be almost too certain about it. If it's usually so, it doesn't mean it's so in this village.

Originally Posted by Might

What if we really had two packs that knew nothing of each other? That would be indeed a twist...

Why only one kill or no kills at all per Night then?

I have ridiculously little time at the moment, but here we go.

Eomer - Inclined to consider him innocent.
Isabell - As for whom I suspect of wolvery, she's my top suspect at the moment. I don't like her posts on the last two Days- too much like a wolf who knows she's about to be the last wolf standing and isn't sure how she will manage it.
Kath - I'm not sure about her, but she looks more innocent than guilty.
Legate - My thoughts are the same as yesterday, and I don't really care if I'm suspected because of that. I think Legate is one of the twists, and an evil one- and my opinion is that we could afford lynching him.
morm - Likely innocent. I don't repeat what has been said about him (Farael and Saucie at least), but I mostly agree with them.
Might - He's quite much his normal self and thus suspicious. But there's something same as with Isabell- some kind of reluctance. It looks like he's trying to appear helpful while trying not to be helpful.
Saucie - The one I trust most at the moment.

I'm not sure if I'll be able to return toDay, so I vote now.

++ Isabell

I'm sorry I haven't been very useful during this and yesterDay.

[Kath]

Is it possible that we have some kind of duelling wizards? The fog and the voice being the people in charge of separate packs of wolves. Because we either had some very bold wolves determinedly trying to get themselves lynched to put others in the clear (with the wolves we've seen revealed I would still think that's possible) or we had rival packs who weren't aware of it until someone they didn't know was a wolf got lynched.

But if the latter were true does the remaining wolf know about it's master/mistress, and does the whichever it is out of the fog/voice that no longer has a pack have any impact on the village. Perhaps this is why we are no longer seeing roles upon death. It would certainly be an interesting twist.

But, whatever the case, we do still have a wolf to find. I do wonder how this game will end though, I thought it must when we found the final wolf but if there are extra, almost 'higher up' roles ...? Who knows?

As to this final wolf, who among us is left.

Agan
Izzy
Legate
Eomer
Sauce
Might
morm

I don't know who out of those I would peg as a wolf. There have been a couple of arguments against Legate that I will go back and have a look at. Unfortunately though I have been left with most of the people on my 'no idea' list, which isn't particularly helpful.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. Following the example of several people toDay, I'm posting my list on people after reviewing what I could.

Aganzir- My thoughts on her have not been made better, even after her last post when she seems to hold tooth and nail to the sucpicion of me even while I am a proven innocent. At this moment let me also add on this topic that whatever twists there are around, I find it quite an easy for a Wolf to discredit a known innocent by labeling him as cobbler or whatever. By the way, if I were a cobbler, surely Farael would have seen that? I don't like the way Aganzir keeps going after me, thus giving herself an image of stubborn innocent. Anyway, as it was said before, as I am known innocent, I am probably dead toNight. Hopefully that will be proof for those unbelieving among you that there is indeed nothing twisted about me. I only pity that due to these rumours the village cannot make as much use of a known innocent as generally can be. Maybe it is good in that my points are double-checked and not blindly believed, which would be also dangerous, however there is some line and being a known innocent and still being suspected by several players is quite frustrating.
Eomer of the Rohirrim- I am not sure neither of his innocence nor guiltiness. There is something strange about him, but it is something... elsewhere, elusive. Not near to labeling him as wolf, however. I suggest watching him only in case he is some Twister.
Isabellkya- Not particularly suspicious about her. There are things like her vote for Mac which could have been the vote that did not have any value, as I said yesterDay, but that does not necessarily have to be true. By her behavior, I am rather inclined to trust her.
Kath- Kath is very sneaky in general, well she is always like that. I can't actually remember her as a Wolf, I remember her only as a lover, and her performance seems still the same whatever the case. So, nothing particularly positive about her, but also nothing negative.
mormegil- Seems trying, working, as a morm should; and also due to what our Gifteds said and how he acted seems more like innocent and I am inclined to trust him, as most people here seemingly do. The only thing was, as it was remembered before, his retraction on Farael, but that's a single thing and he even spoke about that, so whatever.
The Might- his behavior lately may be lazier, but that, I believe, could be said about more people in this village. I see his behavior even lately may have raised suspicions about him from certain people, yet I am less suspicious of him that I was before because his behavior is certainly more "Mighty" than he was at start.
The Saucepan Man- he seems more reasonable lately, however, I am still aware of him as I suspected him in the past and am not willing to throw it away.

So, that's about it. I will soon have to leave and will be back probably only very shortly before the DL, so I will probably cast my vote now just in case - probably for Aganzir. Nevertheless, I am quite sure there will be still time for me to pop in before the DL. I will try to provide the village with as much advice as I can for the likely scenario that I am dead toNight.

EDIT: x-ed with SpM

[Isabellkya]

Would the game not end when we lynch the last Wolf?
Unless there is some other thing we need to get rid of, but then that would make it six anti-villagers.

Just a heads up, I'm not feeling very well and so I'm going to head to sleep.. even though it isn't 7pm yet here.. I will try to be back here tomorrow before the deadline.



X'd with SPM.