Werewolf XLII, Mist in the Barrow Downs

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Look, let's suppose we lynch Rikae and she's innocent after all. (I don't think it's likely, but let's just suppose.) What do we do then– I mean, apart from beating Menel to a pulp? Lynch Sally? (But part of the case against her depends on Rikae not voting for her.)

I'm just saying this because if we get the wrong person toDay, we're in major trouble, the way the numbers are.

And what do you advise to do? Or, why do you say this? We are going to know toMorrow whether we got the right person or not, but why are you saying this now? This has no value now. This far, there were votes for you, and I am most probably going to vote Rikae. What you say looks like you are, unspoken, but between the lines trying to get us thinking about another possible subject to lynch besides you or Rikae. Why? The idea that pops up in my mind is that you two are both wolves and you want to try to find another (innocent) candidate. Otherwise I cannot see why are you saying this.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

And what do you advise to do? Or, why do you say this? We are going to know toMorrow whether we got the right person or not, but why are you saying this now? This has no value now.

Just last minute doubts, Legate.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

EDIT: One technical question. Roa posted one version of DL time with the narration, Farael proposed something different here. Which one will be the real DL? And Farael, do I understand it right that your version is 7:30 PM GMT?

Farael said:

Originally Posted by Farael

There are two alternatives as far as what we can do with this day. I would be able to end it 24 hours after it started today (1 30 PM my time tomorrow) but we cannot keep that as a deadline, as I'll sure won't be anywhere near a computer during my trip at 1 PM. If the wolves agree, we can have the day last for 24 hours and the following night last only until the regular deadline. To make it up for them, the wolves would be able to pm for the first three hours of the folowing day. I think that is a fair deal, and it doesnt give them the advantage of being able to communicate during voting time.

Of course, the wolves should PM me their thoughts, and any ordos who object should do the same.

So... I guess we don't know yet when the deadline is.

[Nerwen]

Well, I may as well put my money where my mouth is:

++Rikae.

Goodnight, all.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So... I guess we don't know yet when the deadline is.

Well, great - because I have to leave and I don't know whether I'd have the chance to check on computer. Or, well, I will have a chance, but probably only a short one, and this is why I would like to know the time of DL, so that I don't appear three hours after it.

edit: x-ed with Nerwen

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, just for the eventual case I don't show up, here is my vote.

++Rikae

Choose well, people - and I hope I will appear here at least before DL.

[A Little Green]

Okay, I'm here - I'm off to read through the thread, back in a while.

[satansaloser2005]

Shoot shoot shoot! I slept in! I've only got abut five or ten minutes, so I best make this quick....

I find both Rikae and Nerwen very suspicious, as I've stated previously. Rikae's been that way for the entire game, and I think it's pretty obvious she's been dreamt of. Nerwen, however, is still diverting attention at the moment and I don't like it. If we kill an ordo today, she'll come up with some lovely sounding post which will do nothing but draw suspicion to wherever the heck she wants it. She's too slick, in my opinion. Still....there's the whole "Rikae's pretty much been handed to us on a silver platter" thing to consider....ack, what to do, what to do....

But....I think Rikae can wait until the next Day, since she's in my opinion more exposed and therefore less of a threat (meaning there's less of a chance she can escape a lynch toMorrow). So my thought is, let's lynch:

++Nerwen

today and get it over with. Besides, with her gone we'll be able to make a lot more sense of what some other people have been saying.

My top lynch candidates today are Nerwen (obviously) and Rikae (also obviously). If we have to I guess I could go for Gwath (again, he just seems to be acting different toDay and it's bizarre) but I'd prefer one of the others. Either way, kill a wolf and I'll be happy. I best be off in a bit here. Happy lynching!

[Gwathagor]

++Nerwen

[A Little Green]

Some thoughts about the Day, then.

This entire Rikae-issue is leaving me quite baffled. After Day2 I thought she was likely innocent, mostly because her "panic" looked so genuine. After Menel being revealed as the seer, though, I can't see the option to her being a wolf. After all, I very much doubt a seer would risk accusing an innocent so persistently, because it seems obvious that he dreamed of her some night. Why? Because if he suspected her it would seem unlikely that he didn't dream of her. And if he dreamt of her and found her innocent he wouldn't have dared go on with his attacks on her. Thus I'm inclined to think that Rikae is a wolf.

By the way. The votes this far are

Shasta > Nerwen (Nerwen 1)
Rikae > Nerwen (Nerwen 2)
Nerwen > Rikae (Rikae 1, Nerwen 2)
Legate > Rikae (Rikae 2, Nerwen 2)
Sally > Nerwen (Rikae 2, Nerwen 3)
Gwath > Nerwen (Rikae 2, Nerwen 4)

I don't know what to think about this. Meanwhile Nerwen doesn't look too innocent either (mainly because her interactions with Rikae look a little schemed), I find it weird that so many people should vote for her instead of Rikae, who (at least according to my reasoning) looks like an almost certain wolf.

I had a look at the two others than Rikae who voted for Nerwen. Gwath seems to side with Rikae all Day, except for his very first post which says

Originally Posted by Gwath

I suppose it's possible that Menel had dreamed about Rikae? Should we assume that he was right about all those he accused?

I don't know what to make of this, really, or indeed if it's of any substance at all, but I thought I'd mention it.
Sally brings up the theory of Nerwen and Rikae being fellows. I find it rather disturbing that in one post she says this:

Originally Posted by Sally

Menel's Dream guess for Night one: Rikae. Result? Wolf. He cranks up the suspicion notch on her quite a bit, and doesn't back off her no matter what.

Which gives the impression that she believes that Rikae is a wolf. Her suspicion on Nerwen is mainly based on her interactions with Rikae. I think it's weird that she should vote Nerwen after stating her belief in Rikae's wolvishness. Thoughts?

My guess for the wolves? Rikae and probably Nerwen and someone. Though Sally is probably the most suspicious-looking of the rest, the combination just doesn't work. Sally would be playing a very bold game if she were a wolf with Rikae and Nerwen, after all her statements on a connection between them. I'm inclined to think the third one is someone who has slipped under everyone's (well, at least mine ) radar in all this discussion about Rikae. Possibly Shasta, or Noggie, or McCaber? I'll have a look at those three, as they are the ones I have least opinion of.

And, as someone noted, I have been contributing pitifully little, and apologise for that. I haven't been able to post much lately but now I'll give it a try since I have time at last.

I'll be back again with more stuff. Beware!

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

By the way. The votes this far are

Shasta > Rikae (Rikae 1)
Rikae > Nerwen (Rikae 1, Nerwen 1)
Nerwen > Rikae (Rikae 2, Nerwen 1)
Legate > Rikae (Rikae 3, Nerwen 1)
Sally > Nerwen (Rikae 3, Nerwen 2)
Gwath > Nerwen (Rikae 3, Nerwen 3)

Shasta voted Nerwen, not Rikae.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Well...I'll be the first one to say it: I got completely duped, and now I look REALLY suspicious.

That you do. But cheer up, Gwath, there's somebody who looks even worse than you:

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Still....there's the whole "Rikae's pretty much been handed to us on a silver platter" thing to consider....ack, what to do, what to do....

But....I think Rikae can wait until the next Day, since she's in my opinion more exposed and therefore less of a threat (meaning there's less of a chance she can escape a lynch toMorrow). So my thought is, let's lynch:

++Nerwen

today and get it over with.

Is it just that I'm biased, or is that one of the most twisted pieces of reasoning of all time: "Rikae's almost certainly a wolf... so let's lynch someone else!"

I mean, what?

[Gwathagor]

Maybe one of the remaining two wolves hid amongst the Rikae voters? Is that too far-fetched?

[Gwathagor]

Such as...Legate...for example, of course.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Maybe one of the remaining two wolves hid amongst the Rikae voters? Is that too far-fetched?

Not at all. It's what you'd expect...

Only, yesterDay's votes were very strange.

After killing Menel, the wolves would have assumed Rikae would get lynched– it was worth it to them to get the Seer– and one or both of them would have voted her. Then she put up such an incredible fight that she started to sway people. It's possible that both her packmates changed their minds and took the risk of trying to save her.

I say this because I can hardly believe so many people honestly decided not to vote her, when there was such a case against her.

Edit: X'd with Gwathagor.