Werewolf XLVI: Getting Back to Basics - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-07-2008, 09:27 AM

Okay, I read briefly and not too deeply up to about post 241 (hey this is just what I said - all the time NOTHING ,and now a million posts when I don't have time

). Anyway, just some things...

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

What? Why "or, if we have three wolves"? Isn't that the probable scenario? Or are there just two wolves in this game and they were you and Gwath and you just slipped?

Nope, that's just a matter of expression - imagine brackets there instead of commas. That is : "Or (if we have three wolves) ..." Speaking of it, I consider both as probable as the other - two or three.

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sally brought Gwath level with me yesterDay at the last minute while it would have been easy for her to vote me just saying something like "let's check Noggie out then" or something and thence gen an innocent lynched & save her mate. And as I said earlier it would be a bit too high a price with this many villagers left for a wolf to buy "credence" with a fellow-sacrifice.

OH MY! AGAIN! But Nog, you have said clearly the opposite at the start of the day. What caused this change of opinion? You were all "Why do you think Sally was innocent?" and when it was explained by that she leveled Gwath with you, you still said something like "And so what?" What the heck? Did you rethink it? Well nothing against it, but your behavior... oh my...

Anyway, heck. I am going to go for Kath now, but Nog sir, if you are a wolf, don't laugh, you won't see the daylight for much longer. I have to take care of my frogs now. Fare all well folks, except for the wolves!

++Kath

Although I must confess I feel uneasy. But whatever. See ya later...

P.S. And just can't resist:

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Anyway, at least one of you is a wolf, or I'll eat my head.

Oh poor my, I hope that's not going to happen

Thinlómien · 05-07-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Oh poor my, I hope that's not going to happen

I'm quite confident it won't... and besides, if it happens, I deserve it.

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Originally Posted by Legate

Okay, I read briefly and not too deeply up to about post 241

Post 241? Ooh, Legate is in the future...

Thinlómien · 05-07-2008, 09:55 AM

Why is it so silent?

Because all vocal players are wolves and afraid of saying anything? And the quiet ones are behaving just characteristically? Okay, whatever

but it just makes me wonder since it's quite close to deadline and usually there's far more talk at this time of the Day.

I'm tempted to vote and leave and close the computer for the rest of the day but that'd be quite stupid... *sigh* Speak up if you're there...

edit: typical... just when I was complaining about silence... ( = cross-posted with Sally)

satansaloser2005 · 05-07-2008, 10:46 AM

Sorry, Lommy. Sally's not here right now. She died from being crushed by a giant pile of homework. Lack of sleep also contributed to her demise.

I'm here(ish) for the rest of the Day, so don't fret. Just going to be rather quiet as I'm rather tired and busy.

Thinlómien · 05-07-2008, 10:56 AM

At least you make me feel less lonely...

Mithalwen · 05-07-2008, 10:57 AM

Just got let outof work and need to apologise for my blonde moment at lunchtime. I didn't have my note book or much time and only when I started trying to work out who was left did I remember that you eejits

lynched my baby girl .... not the wolves .. though on reflection I may well find out I was right first time. .. off to catch up... or make a random decision and enjoy the fabulous weather....

Nerwen · 05-07-2008, 11:11 AM

Okay, I've read through everything now and I can see Nogrod OR Legate as wolves, based on their relations with Gwath and on erratic behaviour, especially from Nogrod– but not both of them. Unless they have some elaborate evil masterplan going.

I agree with Lommy and Legate that Kath seems not “right” in her general manner, but when you look at when she’s actually done it’s not that much, apart from the possible slip Lommy noted and thing about her saying she suspected Gwath and then voting Legate.

Sally has mostly seemed okay, though I’m quite concerned about this:

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Now, I don't mean to be defensive, but I don't understand how mine was a "safe vote," especially since I was risking Gwath's death with only two votes left to come in.

Edit: X'd with Mithalwen.

Nerwen · 05-07-2008, 11:24 AM

Anyway, I have to vote now. I wish I had a bit longer to make up my mind, but here goes–

++Nogrod.

I think he looks rather the furriest.

Thinlómien · 05-07-2008, 11:26 AM

I think we should lynch Nogrod or Kath toDay, then the remaining one toMorrow and if not both of them have been guilty, then lynch Legate next. Then if we haven't found any wolves, I'll eat my head. If we have found only one, I'll hit my head against the wall but swear to find the last one, and will be looking at everyone.

Any preferences whether Nog or Kath should go toDay?

edit: xed with Nerwen... I can see a preference...

The Elf-warrior · 05-07-2008, 12:39 PM

Sorry for my quietness, all. Here's my list in rough order of suspiciousness:

Green light:
Mith. There's the possibility that Lhuna dreamt of her innocence, and I just don't see her being a wolf.
Oddwen. Possible seer dream and 2nd DAY vote for Gwath pretty much clear her.

Sally. Her vote seems to clear her, and because she said

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Well....I think I'm voting for Gwath today. Not to be co-dependant, but I'm going to wait like one more minute and see how others are voting. Don't want to waste a vote on Gwath if it comes down to two other suspects being in close ranks lynchwise.

But if Nogrod is a wolf, that would negate this evidence because she would have been choosing between two wolves. However, she was on Gwath's case earlier so unless Gwath was a sacrificial wolf, she is pretty much in the clear.
Legate. If I had to guess, I'd say he's innocent. I think that Lhuna's gut feeling was right, that Gwath was trying to suck up to Legate. See post #36.

Nogrod: My feeling is that Gwath come against Nogrod too hard for him to be a wolf. But Lommy's arguments make me not completely write off the possibility that Nogrod is a wolf.

Lommy. Her vote against Gwath seems to clear her and I didn't find her that suspicious.

I wouldn't focus on any of these right now. I'd focus on my last two.

Yellow light:
Kath. I haven't seen much suspicious behaviour, but Kath being a wolf would seem to fit in with Gwath's lycanthropy. That doesn't mean she's a wolf, though.

Red light:
Nerwen. That thing about the wolves killing Lhuna doesn't sit well with me. Her being a wolf would also fit in with Gwath.

++Nerwen

What you can do, Nogrod, is make a clear and convincing vote for a wolf. Just my two cents.

Thinlómien · 05-07-2008, 12:45 PM

Nogrod, I can understand you're frustrated. But sadly it doesn't mean you're innocent. You wanted reasonable reasons why you're a wolf. What about Gwath not voting you yesterDay, for starters?

And I'm sorry, I do have a couple of factual reasons to suspect you, and I've said them aloud, but mostly my suspicion of you is based on a gut-feeling or how you appear overall. I know it's annoying to be voted on such basis, but maybe you've just become such a good player that you don't make actual slips or mistakes or obvious trciks when you're a wolf that there is simply no other way of catching you than gut-feelings.

What a speech. If you're innocent, feel free to laugh at me.

edit: xed with Nog

satansaloser2005 · 05-07-2008, 12:49 PM

I looked back at the voting, and noticed something.

Gwath had the opportunity to seal Noggie's fate, but failed to do so. Now, of course, he had no way of knowing that he would tie with our Finnish friend, but that's not the point. This does look very odd....
But....in the last game, Gwath-wolf reacted the same and voted Rune instead of the other votee, which sealed his fate. In this case, the person he could have voted for was an innocent, so there was no risk to the pack.

I'm going to post this so I can catch up. How do the rest of you feel about this?

Nogrod · 05-07-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

What about Gwath not voting you yesterDay, for starters?

How do you expect me to know the motives of Gwath's votes? You really have pretty tough requirements if that is what one needs to do not to get lynched...

Nogrod · 05-07-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

[/B]What you can do, Nogrod, is make a clear and convincing vote for a wolf. Just my two cents.

I did one already yesterDay but that seems not to be enough...

Thinlómien · 05-07-2008, 12:52 PM

Votes

Oddwen -> Nogrod
Legate -> Kath
Nerwen -> Nogrod 2
Elf-Warrior -> Nerwen

I don't see why you see your situation as doomed, Nogrod. Wolvish over-reacting? I was just wondering if I dare to vote you or see if you get enough votes and prevent someone innocent-seeming from getting lynched.

edit: xed with Nog and Sally

Nogrod · 05-07-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I don't see why you see your situation as doomed, Nogrod. Wolvish over-reacting?

I'm just not waiting for miracles... if you look at the stated voting intentions toDay you can make a count...

Thinlómien · 05-07-2008, 12:54 PM

and

at Nogrod. I did not mean you should be able to explain it, just that it is one of the reasons why I suspect you. If you're not lynched toDay and I'm not killed next Night (or vice versa

), I'll make you a proper list of the few factual reasons why you're guilty, but now time is running out...

edit: xed with Nogrod

The Elf-warrior · 05-07-2008, 12:54 PM

I'm sorry, Nogrod, I saw, but I didn't observe. Looking at Nogrod's DAY 2 vote again, about the only way I can see Nogrod being a wolf is if Gwath was a sacrificial wolf, so you're probably innocent. *casts a sideways glance at Lommy* Hear the man out. Vote Nerwen.

satansaloser2005 · 05-07-2008, 12:56 PM

Or Kath. I still prefer Kath. But I'll go with consensus.

Can we give Noggie another day? Please? I'm going to be really unhappy if he dies today and he's proven innocent. Granted, he'll be proven innocent, but he'll be dead. I'd rather learn more about someone else....

Nogrod · 05-07-2008, 12:57 PM

Okay it needs to be someone with one vote already.

I suggest Nerwen as the best bet.

satansaloser2005 · 05-07-2008, 12:58 PM

Okay. I prefer Kath by only a small margin, so....

++Nerwen

....it is. Best of luck to all no matter the outcome.

Thinlómien · 05-07-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Can we give Noggie another day? Please? I'm going to be really unhappy if he dies today and he's proven innocent. Granted, he'll be proven innocent, but he'll be dead. I'd rather learn more about someone else....

It seems it's too late...? If it helps, you can kick and hit me if he's innocent.

edit: xed with sal and nog

Thinlómien · 05-07-2008, 12:58 PM

Sally! Don't trust Nogrod!

edit: xed with sally

Nogrod · 05-07-2008, 12:59 PM

If Sally and I vote Nerwen we get same numberts once again...

satansaloser2005 · 05-07-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

It seems it's too late...? If it helps, you can kick and hit me if he's innocent.

edit: xed with sal and nog

I've been saying it all day dearie. But don't worry, I won't resort to violence. I've got a duck for that sort of thing....

05-07-2008, 10:46 AM	#4
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Sorry, Lommy. Sally's not here right now. She died from being crushed by a giant pile of homework. Lack of sleep also contributed to her demise. I'm here(ish) for the rest of the Day, so don't fret. Just going to be rather quiet as I'm rather tired and busy. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

05-07-2008, 10:56 AM	#5
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	At least you make me feel less lonely... __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-07-2008, 10:57 AM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Just got let outof work and need to apologise for my blonde moment at lunchtime. I didn't have my note book or much time and only when I started trying to work out who was left did I remember that you eejits lynched my baby girl .... not the wolves .. though on reflection I may well find out I was right first time. .. off to catch up... or make a random decision and enjoy the fabulous weather.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

05-07-2008, 11:24 AM	#8
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Anyway, I have to vote now. I wish I had a bit longer to make up my mind, but here goes– ++Nogrod. I think he looks rather the furriest. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

05-07-2008, 11:26 AM	#9
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I think we should lynch Nogrod or Kath toDay, then the remaining one toMorrow and if not both of them have been guilty, then lynch Legate next. Then if we haven't found any wolves, I'll eat my head. If we have found only one, I'll hit my head against the wall but swear to find the last one, and will be looking at everyone. Any preferences whether Nog or Kath should go toDay? edit: xed with Nerwen... I can see a preference... __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-07-2008, 09:55 AM	#3
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Why is it so silent? Because all vocal players are wolves and afraid of saying anything? And the quiet ones are behaving just characteristically? Okay, whatever but it just makes me wonder since it's quite close to deadline and usually there's far more talk at this time of the Day. I'm tempted to vote and leave and close the computer for the rest of the day but that'd be quite stupid... sigh Speak up if you're there... edit: typical... just when I was complaining about silence... ( = cross-posted with Sally) __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-07-2008, 12:45 PM	#11
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Nogrod, I can understand you're frustrated. But sadly it doesn't mean you're innocent. You wanted reasonable reasons why you're a wolf. What about Gwath not voting you yesterDay, for starters? And I'm sorry, I do have a couple of factual reasons to suspect you, and I've said them aloud, but mostly my suspicion of you is based on a gut-feeling or how you appear overall. I know it's annoying to be voted on such basis, but maybe you've just become such a good player that you don't make actual slips or mistakes or obvious trciks when you're a wolf that there is simply no other way of catching you than gut-feelings. What a speech. If you're innocent, feel free to laugh at me. edit: xed with Nog __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-07-2008, 12:49 PM	#12
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	I looked back at the voting, and noticed something. Gwath had the opportunity to seal Noggie's fate, but failed to do so. Now, of course, he had no way of knowing that he would tie with our Finnish friend, but that's not the point. This does look very odd.... But....in the last game, Gwath-wolf reacted the same and voted Rune instead of the other votee, which sealed his fate. In this case, the person he could have voted for was an innocent, so there was no risk to the pack. I'm going to post this so I can catch up. How do the rest of you feel about this? __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

05-07-2008, 12:52 PM	#15
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Votes Oddwen -> Nogrod Legate -> Kath Nerwen -> Nogrod 2 Elf-Warrior -> Nerwen I don't see why you see your situation as doomed, Nogrod. Wolvish over-reacting? I was just wondering if I dare to vote you or see if you get enough votes and prevent someone innocent-seeming from getting lynched. edit: xed with Nog and Sally __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-07-2008, 12:54 PM	#17
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	and at Nogrod. I did not mean you should be able to explain it, just that it is one of the reasons why I suspect you. If you're not lynched toDay and I'm not killed next Night (or vice versa ), I'll make you a proper list of the few factual reasons why you're guilty, but now time is running out... edit: xed with Nogrod __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-07-2008, 12:54 PM	#18
The Elf-warrior Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia. Posts: 952	I'm sorry, Nogrod, I saw, but I didn't observe. Looking at Nogrod's DAY 2 vote again, about the only way I can see Nogrod being a wolf is if Gwath was a sacrificial wolf, so you're probably innocent. casts a sideways glance at Lommy Hear the man out. Vote Nerwen. __________________ Fenris Wolf: WW LXXX.

05-07-2008, 12:56 PM	#19
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Or Kath. I still prefer Kath. But I'll go with consensus. Can we give Noggie another day? Please? I'm going to be really unhappy if he dies today and he's proven innocent. Granted, he'll be proven innocent, but he'll be dead. I'd rather learn more about someone else.... __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

05-07-2008, 12:57 PM	#20
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay it needs to be someone with one vote already. I suggest Nerwen as the best bet. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-07-2008, 12:58 PM	#21
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Okay. I prefer Kath by only a small margin, so.... ++Nerwen ....it is. Best of luck to all no matter the outcome. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

05-07-2008, 12:59 PM	#24
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	If Sally and I vote Nerwen we get same numberts once again... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...