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Eönwë · 05-31-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Maedhros_the_Tall

Forgive me if I'm wrong here, I was of the impression that Numenor was populated by the men of the three houses of the Edain, so descendants of Haleth, Hador and Beor (Haleth was one of the three, correct?) were all on the island. If I remember rightly, Aldarions wife, Erendis, was of the house of Beor, and they were not as long lived as those of Elros' royal line? I'm not sure.

But the question is, when you so not so longer lived, does that mean normal lifespan, or just shorter than the descendants of Elros's.

mark12_30 · 05-31-2008, 06:34 PM

Whether it's silver or gray-- isn't the main question, why Cirdan has a beard?

Maedhros_the_Tall · 06-01-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

But the question is, when you so not so longer lived, does that mean normal lifespan, or just shorter than the descendants of Elros's.

My take on it would be for it to mean that they had a longer lifespan than the men left in darkness on middle earth, but not as long as Elros' line.

If i can use the example of Aldarion and Erendis, Erendis, not of Elros' line, lived from 771-985 SA, making her 214 years old when she passed, whereas Aldarion, being of the royal line, lived from 700- 1098 SA, making him 398 years old when she passed.

Elmo · 06-01-2008, 07:47 AM

Didn't Erendis kill herself? I don't think her lifespan can be taken as a normal Numenorean one then

But the plebs in Numenor did live shorter lives.

Eönwë · 06-01-2008, 08:00 AM

So Elmo, does that mean it was the island, not Elros?

Maedhros_the_Tall · 06-01-2008, 12:50 PM

Ach, your right Elmo, she didn't die of natural causes did she!!! Bugger.

Maedhros_the_Tall · 06-02-2008, 02:37 AM

Something I found in the UT (which I'm re-reading for the nth time

) regarding the lifespan of Numenoreans, this is mentioned in 'the line of Elros';

This first one is actually from the Akallabeth which said the line of Elros "had long life even according to the measure of the Numenoreans". It also talked about the "end of vigour" (which came before the waning of their lives), stating that the descendants of Elros began to feel the end of their vigour about the 400th year or slightly earlier, whereas those not of that line felt it about their 200th year, or slightly later.

Its also mentioned in later writings that people of Numenor had a lifespan five times the length of other men (or three times the span, as is mentioned in Appendix A of LOTR), but this doesn't make such a clear distinction between the royal line and the 'plebs', as Elmo so beautifully put it

, saying only that the Royal line had a tendency to live to a greater age.

So it seems like allot of things, Tolkien was somewhat undecided in the final finished details!

05-31-2008, 06:34 PM	#2
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Whether it's silver or gray-- isn't the main question, why Cirdan has a beard? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

06-01-2008, 07:47 AM	#4
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Didn't Erendis kill herself? I don't think her lifespan can be taken as a normal Numenorean one then But the plebs in Numenor did live shorter lives. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

06-01-2008, 08:00 AM	#5
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	So Elmo, does that mean it was the island, not Elros? __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place Last edited by Eönwë; 06-01-2008 at 01:15 PM. Reason: original irrelevant as I x-ed with Elmo

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Maedhros_the_Tall Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2008 Location: North East of England, currently at university in South West Scotland. Posts: 56	Ach, your right Elmo, she didn't die of natural causes did she!!! Bugger.

06-02-2008, 02:37 AM	#7
Maedhros_the_Tall Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2008 Location: North East of England, currently at university in South West Scotland. Posts: 56	Something I found in the UT (which I'm re-reading for the nth time ) regarding the lifespan of Numenoreans, this is mentioned in 'the line of Elros'; This first one is actually from the Akallabeth which said the line of Elros "had long life even according to the measure of the Numenoreans". It also talked about the "end of vigour" (which came before the waning of their lives), stating that the descendants of Elros began to feel the end of their vigour about the 400th year or slightly earlier, whereas those not of that line felt it about their 200th year, or slightly later. Its also mentioned in later writings that people of Numenor had a lifespan five times the length of other men (or three times the span, as is mentioned in Appendix A of LOTR), but this doesn't make such a clear distinction between the royal line and the 'plebs', as Elmo so beautifully put it , saying only that the Royal line had a tendency to live to a greater age. So it seems like allot of things, Tolkien was somewhat undecided in the final finished details!