Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Mac

I'm not sure what's worse: Volo making a statement that can be read as a wolf slip (but I remember an ancestor of him making a wolf slip while being innocent, too ), or A Little Green pointing out the quote - without any opinion of her own - in order to have the mob feast on it while keeping her own hands clean.

Now, son, I didn't (or don't) know what to think about it myself. I felt the need to point it out in case someone else could read something from it. I didn't find it necessary to say "I don't know what to say about it" or "it could be a slip or it could not or... etc".

Originally Posted by Volo

Greenie's (although I liked calling her Lily) post looks wrong. What she says there is that tp is a Gifted or the GW as if he's not the EW or a Wolf but is neither a normal villager-- And I think such things shouldn't be said aloud! I find such kind of posts suspicious.

Actually I never thought he might be the GW or a gifted... To me he feels like neither. (And feel free to call me Lily if it suits you better. I like both. )

Sally and Gwath's votes both made me fairly uneasy, though for different reasons. Sally's, like someone said, looked a bit too easy. Gwath's I don't like because voting without stating any reasons for the choice is both unhelpful (if having suspicions about someone, one should at least reason them a bit if he really wants that one lynched) and irritating and never fails to make me suspicious.

I read Gwath's posts. Maybe I'm slow but I only just realised that he not only voted without stating a reason but also said

Originally Posted by Gwathie

No, I'm not saying "don't look for wolves." But I do think most of our energy should be directed towards tracking down the EW. In my opinion.

Besides my disagreement with his opinion, I don't like the way he states it. The addition of the "In my opinion" to the end feels pointless to me in every other sense than in a looking nice -sense which looks fishy. So, all in all, Gwath looks pretty bad to me at the moment.

Other than that, this debate leaves me quite baffled so that's all from me at the moment. I'll let Lommy post now and meanwhile try to gather some more substance.


EDIT: x-ed with 1 x Volo

[Nerwen]

Oh dear, my poor Grandpa. I hadn't even noticed that "we wolves" thing. But I'd like to point out that an innocent ancestor of Volo's once admitted that it was "possible" he was a wolf. But it's also reasonable of Greenie to point that out. Somebody had to.

Edit: X'd with Niece Aganzir.

[the phantom]

I'm back! Did you miss me?

Sally, you voted for me! Now how can I get scried multiple times if you go and get me lynched! It was most inconsiderate of you. And aren't you even from the same state as I am? Where's your sense of regional brotherhood?

Oh, and as far as deciding who we should try and lynch, the EW or WWs, does it really matter much who we gun for?

In my opinion we're just as likely to lynch a WW gunning for the EW as we are if we were actually trying to lynch a WW. It's not like we have any concrete knowledge to work with. On Day 1 in particular we're just taking a blind shot in the dark. Heck, if we'd purposefully try and lynch the Seer we'd probably have just as good a chance of lynching a WW.

Here are the lynching odds for today-

Ordo- 71%
Gifted- 11%
WW- 11%
Wizard- 7%

If everything today and tonight go according to the odds, tomorrow we will have 2 Wizards, 4 WWs, 3 gifteds, and 16 Ordos. So that would make the lynch odds tomorrow-

Ordo- 64%
WW- 16%
Gifted- 12%
Wizard- 8%

Just something to chew on.

And I have been seeing some of you saying that the scenario I outlined earlier was overly pessimistic. All right then. I'll run a different scenario.

This time, let us assume that the village and the GW, after Day 1, have 50% success at finding WWs- in other words, in every single Night/Day cycle a WW is either lynched or scried by the GW. If you ask me that would be quite an accomplishment. But let's suppose we actually pull it off. What would that mean for our numbers?

(I'm not counting the Wizards in these tallies)
Day 2- 19-4
Day 3- 16-4
Day 4- 15-4
Day 5- 12-4
Day 6- 9-4
Day 7- 6-4
Day 8- LOSE

So, as we can see, even if we have 50% WW-finding success, by the time we are at Day 5 the village will already have a worse villager-WW ratio than other villages start with. Day 6 we'd be in trouble, Day 7 we'd need a miracle, and Day 8 the game would be over.

So, even if we find a WW in every single cycle, we're still probably dead if we haven't found the EW by Day 6. But before that would be very nice.

This is the point I'm trying to make on the issue of finding WWs as opposed to finding the EW. If we find the EW early, we probably win. If we don't find the EW, it doesn't matter how many WWs we find, we'll still lose.

Originally Posted by Ka

I thought tp always wants attention?

Ah, I see that Ka has me figured out.

Yes, yes, I do want attention. I'm thinking it will increase my odds of being scried. I did the same thing in the last Dueling Wizard village. It only partly worked though- the GW did indeed scry me, but the EW instead of scrying me elected to send the WWs after me the very same night.

I'll never forgive you for that Roa!

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Agan is definitely not sitting right with me. Really.

Really? Hmm... don't you actually know Agan? If so then I'd be inclined to trust your opinion of her. Unless of course you are the EW and Agan is one of your WWs and you are throwing the wolf to the lambs to make yourself look good.

Ha ha... throwing the wolf to the lambs...

But what does Agan think of Lommy?

And what do Rikae and Mac think about each other?

And I'd really like to know what Nog thinks about everyone! But he won't tell. I pmed and asked him what all the roles were, but he just said "Silence! Ask again and I'll mod-fire you!"

[Kitanna]

I have missed a lot and have no time to catch up and will miss the deadline by ten minutes tonight. I need to vote now and I shall cast a random vote.

++ Morm

mostly random. Based on past experiences with Morm and nothing else. I apoligize, but I will have much more to say Day 2 when things aren't so hectic at work.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by THE Ka

Oh pish, seriously as I've said before, that last game was pure luck. Look at me now, I have the memory of a vegetable.

But I'm not ready to forget it yet. :P

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I don't trust her a little bit.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I bet that if she's a wolf who has not been told her fellows' identities, she does not care if she lynches them or not, she just wants to stay alive and thus accuses those that genuinely seem wolvish to her.

Well you're right there - at least that's what I did in Volo's game. But that argument doesn't quite apply to here - the wolves just can't play the way they'd like. If they don't know the EW's identity, they have to be careful not to accidentally accuse her.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Also, she's not the tiniest bit concerned about flushing out gifteds.

Can you elaborate what you mean by that?

Originally Posted by Lommy

I really don't get Agan's point here...

Assumption: Brinn is a wolf. She doesn't know her fellows, and she's afraid she would slip it later. She says her opinion is that the wolves probably don't know one other, and therefore she knows there cannot be connections between them. Now it's clear for everyone that it's her opinion, and she won't be questioned later if she speaks like the wolves didn't know one another for sure.
And that comment looks plain fishy.
Got it?

Originally Posted by phantom

But what does Agan think of Lommy?

I don't have a proper opinion yet/anymore. Her posts look pretty innocent, but either she's way off or a baddie (and if that's the case, congrats for fooling me, as I've usually caught a Lomwolf a bit earlier ).

Originally Posted by Cailín

I leave the impression of not saying anything? And I suppose everyone else in the village has been chock-full of useful tidbits? Of course not! It's Day 1 and very little of interest has been said.

Well, no... It's just the way you talk yet seemingly avoid mentioning names or stating opinions about people. You have talked more than many others, so I would have expected to hear a bit more what you think.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Oh, Aganzir - the clutching was a joke

So today seems to be also one of those days my sense of humour just doesn't work. :P

Originally Posted by Durelin

And sorry I didn't remember...

No problem, I just have a good memory.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Hmm, your post was too nice to me. Hmm.

Aaaargh I'll stop talking to you! :P
On a more serious note, that's what usually happens when one has first been accused of defensiveness.

edit: xed since Legate

[Eönwë]

Eonwe continued to run towars the village square. He stopped right in the middle of it, panting. There was silence as he entered. "I came as soon as I heard" he said, when he was faced by looks of surprise.
"Nobody told me until I came back from my lumberjack course"
His eyes fell on the poor headless body of Eomer, and that of Nogrod, cloven in two by who knew what.

"And who are you," said someone.

And Eonwe broke into song:

"I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay,
I sleep all night and I work all day."

And then Rikae joined in with: "He's a lumberjack, and he's okay,
He sleeps all night and he works all day."

Eonwe: I cut down trees, I eat my lunch,
I go to the nonexistent lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go chopping
And have buttered lembas and miruvor!

Rikae: He cuts down trees, he eats his lunch,
He goes to the ..what?
On Wednesdays he goes chopping
And has buttered lembas and miruvor.

He's a lumberjack, and he's okay,
He sleeps all night and he works all day

Eonwe: I cut down trees, I skip and hunt,
I like to press wild symbelmyne.
I put on Melian's girdle,
And hang around in inns.

Rikae: He cuts down trees, he skips and hunts,
He likes to press wild symbelmyne.
He puts on Melian's girdle
And hangs around.... In inns???????

I cut down trees, I jump up high
I am not womanly
I wish I'd been a girlie just my dear Shas-

He ended abruptly, as everyone stared at him strangely. "Thats just what I learned on my "What is a lumberjack, course, I'm sorry" he said defensively. Everyone just nodded in consent, except for a few of the Others. Those of the unknown parentage.

The people continued to have their discussion about werewolves, as they probably had since morning, and by now it was late afternoon.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Really? Hmm... don't you actually know Agan? If so then I'd be inclined to trust your opinion of her. Unless of course you are the EW and Agan is one of your WWs and you are throwing the wolf to the lambs to make yourself look good.

Yes, she's one of my closest friends. Also, A Little Green is my sister. And furthermore, Volo is an RL friend of mine as well. Still, I do not advise you to trust my judgement of any of them. It is probably as biased and faulty as that of someone who does not know them as well as I do. In fact, Agan is better at fooling me than most other ww players I've played with.


edit: xed with Legate, Cailín and Durelin

[the phantom]

Oh, and Legate, just so you know, I am actually a cobbler. It's amazing that you picked it out so quickly. Nog thought it'd be funny to make me one after that last game I modded.

Ah, but I'm off to take my turn watching the sheep. Did you count them this morning? I'm worried that the WWs will take a liking to them. Be back in a bit.

[Durelin]

Whatever you say, phantom, dear.

(Nothing meant by 'dear', Lhuna. )

[Cailín]

I wish to point out that I've been misquoted twice now (due to a nameless possession this was not noted before).

Roa assigns one of Celuien's quotes about teamwork pattern and so on to me. The quote includes the word flux - not even sure what that means.

This quote is later also assigned to me by Ka. I actually find this carelessness rather suspicious, but I want to clear up this situation at least. Roa's mistake is a bit strange, but Ka's words about me over faulty evidence is more worrying. Based on events of Day 1 she's right at the top of my suspicion list.

[Nerwen]

Based on my previous arguments, here is a list of people I think are being (deliberately?) unhelpful/diversionary/sinister.

1. The Phantom.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Bah! Why bother trying to find Wolves?

...etc.. etc... starting the whole endless argument that has been going around in circles all Day.

2. Mormegil

Originally Posted by mormegil

I'm only to this point but I must agree with the phantom here. The EW is the key to our success or theirs. (Oh, I can't wait until people misread that statement!) Anyway the EW is the deciding factor.

Originally Posted by mormegil

No, we can't no for certain can we? However, I consider playing the odds the best bet at this stage of the game. If I were the EW, well I would pick...well there's something I must do but I will be back.

Well, that was helpful, Mormegil.

3.Gwathagor

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Hardly ever is the first person lynched a wolf, which I think demonstrates that a single day is rarely enough to identify a baddie, which is why I think it's better to make a concerted effort to find the EW, than to scramble about every day trying to flush out that day's unique wolf line-up. No, I'm not saying "don't look for wolves." But I do think most of our energy should be directed towards tracking down the EW. In my opinion.

No, you mean "in The Phantom's and Morm's opinions". You sound a lot like a Gwathwolf in that post, my dear highwayman, always trying to side with the majority...

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

++Sally

And you voted her because...?


4.Brinniel

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Okay, so we know there aren't connections between the wolves as they probably don't know of each other. So we should look for a different connection...and that'd be between the EW and the wolves. By lynching wolves, we will have better clues to who the EW may be.

So, the plan's lynch people at random in the hope that some of them will turn out to be wolves, who will in turn give a clue to the EW?


5.Celuien

Originally Posted by Celuien

At this point, I think our best chances as a village lie with the scrying and seering. The usual daytime teamwork patterns can't be counted upon as a way to look for evil since there's no way to know if the wolves know each other's identities - and I would doubt that at this early point that they would as there's too much chance of flux from one side to the other. By the same token, it's high unlikely that they know the EW's identity. And other sneaky behaviors can't even be counted on because the wolves are perfectly replaceable while the village is still this large, and for all we know might be out there as cannon fodder to distract and confuse the search for the EW, who's really the one that has to be discovered to stabilize the werewolf population flux and make it possible for the village to be victorious.

And we'll do this... exactly how? Not leading up to another "lynch at will" proposal, by any chance?

6.Cailin.

Carries out Morm's proposal to guess who the EW would have picked by making a list of wolves, based on personality alone. That's pointless and looks like a possible diversion attempt.

7.Legate?

Logical and sensible, but is there a bit of a slippery feel to some of his posts? Nothing I can put my finger on right now, though.

There are also a number of other people, eg McCaber, Shasta, who have posted little or nothing and are possibly flying under the radar.

Edit: fixed numbering.
Edit #2: X'd since The Phantom at #91.

[Isabellkya]

I just wanted to point something out as I continue to read.

Originally Posted by Nog

Order of Nightly activities

1. Wizards make their scries.
2. Affected players & wizards are informed of the results.
3. Seer dreams, ranger protects & hunter hunts.
4. Wolves kill.

I believe Durelin touched upon it - that the EW could easily have her remaining wolves kill the lost one, before we even knew about it.

Someone did mention it, however I forgot to make a note of it. About the GW having her Ranger protect the Wolf>Ordo, and thus the EW not being able/wanting to waste a kill on a possibly protected Lost Wolf. Yet there is no guarantee that the GW will always have a Ranger.

I don't see a problem with using the usual method to search for Wolves. Sure the Wolves will most likely be a bit more wary as in all probability they do not know their fellows. However if the EW were to instruct any of them to change their typical playing style, I'm sure it would be picked up on.

Some have said it, and I'll just spit it back out. Being either the EW or GW is in all likelihood going to take an amount of commitment, which would most likely not suit someone whom may have larger RL time restraints. I also doubt a newer WW player would want to undergo such a thing. However, I don't believe things can be 100% ruled out of the realm of possibility, purely because there is a large chance of them not being true or occuring.


X'd since Cailin's #101.

[Rikae]

He's not the cobbler, he's a very naughty boy.

Really, I simply can't stand this statistics business, especially on day one. TP isn't taking into account the abilities of the GW and gifteds to help us rid the village of wolves. Besides, if we are able to hunt down the EW, as my impudent son seems to think (but doesn't mention how), we can hunt down wolves more easily still. Sure, if you find the EW, great - but this kind of talk is demoralizing for the village and, I suspect, nothing but an attempt to start controversy and, of course, get attention. Stop it now, or you'll go to bed without supper!

As for what I think of my husband.... I don't instinctively trust him, anyway. He's grasping at straws a bit himself (I always heard the phrase worded that way), but then, it's only day one and maybe that is to be expected. Of course I'm watching him closely. I did think his point about Greenie was good, though. That sort of careful wording and passive approach is classically wolfish (to name just one wolfish behavior that is not related to wolf interactions).

Otber thoughts at the moment... Roa, Volo,and Lommy look pretty good to me so far... Legate does seem a bit sneaky and controlled, but then, I'm questioning myself on that since I've thought that before when he was innocent. Aganzir doesn't quite seem her usual self- more excited, more defensive, perhaps, and Sally is also acting rather out of character, as others mentioned. Morm and Mac have both seemed a bit eager to accuse, but then, that isn't entirely out of character for either of them.

Alhough I've said that I don't like pessimistic assessments of our wolf hunting abilities on the whole, I do think it's highly unlikely we'll catch a wolf toDay. I certainly don't feel I have enough to go on yet. Perhaps (forgive me, but Nogrod isn't here and someone has to mention it) each of us should, when choosing among our suspects, also think about who is more likely to be discovered later, and who is a potential "submarine"? I don't necessarily mean the quieter or less experienced players, but those who are difficult to judge or easy to overlook.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

What I meant was exactly this "given his behaviour". You say that it is cobblerish. I personally don't think this conclusion is obvious, so I'd like to see your reasons, especially given the fact that it is a very easy way to discredit a person's opinions as a whole (that's what I meant by "demagogic").

Simply, his behavior overall, how should I label it - just look at his posts. Why should I say anything more? What should I say? Should I label him with some adjective? "Hasty", "harsh", "funny", what? None of these would do, mind you. He behaves like a cobbler would do for me: this is what I said, and that will be enough. However, the conclusion was that I considered him rather innocent because of that. And what is that you have about discrediting a person's opinions, I still don't get it. You mean that I am discrediting phantom's opinions, i.e. as if I were saying "he is cobblerish, therefore don't listen to him"? That was by no way what I meant. I only stated: He seems to me to behave like a cobbler. The same way as if I said that he behaves like a hedgehog or like Eddie Murphy. If there was any conclusion concerning how any of his words should be interpretated, then it was what I said that I think he wanted only to "show off" by these "hey scry me" things and such. But that was all. See above.

Nerwen's posting, especially her post #82 actually looks sensible, and innocentish. However, I can as well imagine her evilly grinning behind this innocent mask. But that's just the tiny bit of feeling. She speaks sense, if nothing else, this far.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

People seem much more reluctant to put forward any method of achieving any of these goals. The only suggestions I've heard have been, "Guess on basis of personality" and, "Lynch people until we find some wolves, and then we'll know who picked them". I don't find either of these plans appealing (as a healer, I shrink from unnecessary bloodshed).

Actually, I also - although I see I already meddled in that - don't see a point in such discussions, respectively: don't see a point in their subject. What people say, and that they interact and actually say something, is another thing and it's good. But otherwise, I think that simply everyone should do what he thinks is the best and then something will happen. Especially on Day 1, it is how it will end anyway, and don't tell me that it isn't true.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Besides my disagreement with his opinion, I don't like the way he states it. The addition of the "In my opinion" to the end feels pointless to me in every other sense than in a looking nice -sense which looks fishy. So, all in all, Gwath looks pretty bad to me at the moment.

Yes, that was the thing I pointed out as well. Hm... there's so many posts that it's good you reminded me of that, and also for myself, I must remind myself that with Gwath, this is always relative... (merely repeating what I said earlier).

LG, Volo, eventually Gwath... still those who figure upper on my list. Now even there are their interactions, which are really interesting "in-group", but then, do the Wolves know each other or don't they? And even if they do, would they interact so? And even if they don't know, what would such interaction mean?

EDIT: x-ed since Nerwen's last post

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I am not sure what Lommy sees on (bah!) Agan... though she seems reasonable in for example her reply to phantom that he should not trust her (this I would expect of her... although thinking of it, she would probably do it in any case), however what I would not expect of her...

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Oh but this is a very good point. Where is her characteristic cheer and carelessness? Is it just because this so different from any other game she's played this far, or are there more sinister reasons behind this?

I don't like this that much. Not sure why, but following someone with a suspicion like that... my dear sally does not seem suspicious in any way, she is behaving like she's always, and also she simply voted and that's it. Nothing weird there.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Ah, but I'm off to take my turn watching the sheep. Did you count them this morning? I'm worried that the WWs will take a liking to them. Be back in a bit.

I think there should be all of them. The wolves may have killed Daddy (Cool) and my dear's uncle, but just let them try to lay their... fangs on our sheep!!!

EDIT: x-ed since Cailín

[Durelin]

Oh, Aganzir - the clutching was a joke (if the 'Thanks' was not sarcastic... ). I don't know which one it 'is', if there it's defined anywhere, not that it even matters. I just remember a Saucepan-Nogrod-me-TGWBS argument fiasco, and then it was clutching, I believe...maybe. I think I might have been accused of straw-clutching. I remember something like "is that the sound of straws being clutched?" or something. Amusing. That was insane.

Ah, yeah...I remember the frustration of Sauce's game...I had a cool role and everything! (And sorry I didn't remember...was frustrated I died on Night 1 and don't think I really followed the game, hah.)

Hmm, your post was too nice to me. Hmm.

I agree with you on Cailin.

Nerwen, a bit more's been said than what you summarize...we got beyond the Wolves and EW topic for the most part. Give us more credit. Also, your entire first post is basically repeating what other's have said to criticize/disagree with it or to put it into a list without really giving anything new. Your second post gives a little. But I mean...discussion can be repetitive and still be productive, right? And you can have a lot of just agreeing and disagreeing and it still be interesting...maybe who people choose to agree and disagree with can mean something.

Why are we bothering to look for new things under the sun, anyway? What game number is this?

*pats the Ka*

Oh, and yeah, my the phantom wanting attention comment was supposed to mean he always wants attention, though it was worded strangely. I was in rant-mode, so I was just typing whatever came out of my head. Probably do that too much.

I've been practically ignoring (definitely 'ignoring' them in my posts) lots of people but dang there are a lot of people in this game...gotta step back maybe. See if Legate or Lommy are looking creepy. And Rikae needs to post more, I miss her and finding her suspicious.

Edit: Whoa, crossed with tp onwards.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Durelin

But I mean...discussion can be repetitive and still be productive, right? And you can have a lot of just agreeing and disagreeing and it still be interesting...maybe who people choose to agree and disagree with can mean something.

That's sort of my point, Durelin.

Edit: X'd with Cailín.

[satansaloser2005]

Quick check-in over break. Hmmmm, it seems one of the biggest points of discussion is catching the EW vs. catching the wolves. May I point out that if the EW is killed, so is the GW, and then we lose (essentially, and assuming she has a full gifted roster) a seer. Not that I'm saying we let the EW sit around and scry her brains out, but I think it'll be a lot easier to find the EW in a couple days (sooner, if possible, but I don't think that's likely) and concentrate on finding wolves for now, as it'll be easier to find the EW once we see her style of wolf-picking.

Hehe, Phantom, don't you know that it is I who will be multi-scried?

Bah. I wish I had more time to look at things, but I'm running late. Best of luck to all at the end of the day; I may be able to stop in around DL, but I highly, HIGHLY doubt it. Til then....


P.S. Durelin, if you want I can totally edit the chart. It was just really late when i wrote down all the names and I kept seeing "Dure" as "Durie" and it stuck. Happy to change it though if you'd wish.

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen's last and Cailin

[Volo]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

May I point out that if the EW is killed, so is the GW, and then we lose (essentially, and assuming she has a full gifted roster) a seer. Not that I'm saying we let the EW sit around and scry her brains out, but I think it'll be a lot easier to find the EW in a couple days (sooner, if possible, but I don't think that's likely) and concentrate on finding wolves for now, as it'll be easier to find the EW once we see her style of wolf-picking.

I'm fine with us trying to find the Wolves, but I don't agree that it will make any at all easier to find the EW if we kill some Wolves first. Ok, maybe probabilities will be different at that point, but blah.

It's taking me ages with my throughout notes, because I'm procrastinating quite a major deal of the time. So far nothing worth mentioning.

edit: Xd with all since #110.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

That's sort of my point, Durelin.

Sort of, but not really. You noted that the repetition and 'pointless debates' are diversionary, and thus are possibly used often by wolves (especially on Day 1) and because of that they can help point to wolves. But you still say these things are purely diversionary and 'pointless,' and don't seem to think they could be helpful to anyone but the wolves.

Speaking of pointless, eh?

Hmm, maybe a little much, Cailin. I doubt Nerwen made her lists because she thought we were all fools. Not all of us are. But, as I said...what is there left to talk about, tactics-wise and all that rot, in game 47... Ooh, I'm repeating myself now...how Wolfish is that?

Edit: Crossed with Sally onwards.

Oh dear, sorry sally, the Durie thing was totally a joke. I just found it amusing because no one's ever attached 'ie', it's always been 'y' for some reason, so I felt I had to comment somehow. And I am an evil twin and feeling particularly...snarky or something toDay. Is snarky a word outside of my head?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Aaaargh I'll stop talking to you!

Yeah, you probably should. (I really botched that 'clutching' thing. Not even a smilie! Was really even trying to admit that, yeah, I was grasping/clutching, but I prefer 'clutching'...joking about my preference... There. Totally killed it.)