Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Sally's vote for phantom seems a bit odd. I know, I think he's horribly suspicious at best, or a diliberately unhelpful villager at worst (And yes that is the worst of the two). But she doesn't give much reasoning herself. It's alomst as though she tried to guess the flow of conversation and encourage it towards phantom....

++Phantom

This looks a bit odd. Slandering (well, thats a bit of a harsh word, but still, you get the point-perhaps scold is a better word) Sally for voting phantom and then voting for him yourself. And yu also didn't give a reason.

I also find THE Ka a bit suspicious, she's not really saying much, and doesn't seem suspicious- but that just makes her more suspicious to me. I have a feeling that she's hiding something.


Another thing I've beent thinking about is that maybe the EW will only tell each WW another WW's identity, so they can work together, but will not be able to reveal the whole group if the are converted. But this could only happen later on in the game, when there will undoubtedly be more WW's (and I'm sure a real WW will use this as a quote to "prove" that I'm a WW by way of a slip- but its not). I would probably do that if I was the EW.

x-ed since Roa

[McCaber]

Ok, I'm back and better than ever. So I'd rather keep the phantom around, just because I haven't played with him yet, but I am keeping him under suspicion. He's said some things I wouldn't expect him to.

My darling Aganzir, well, I think she's more innocent than not. But I can't say the same for some of my other relatives.

Well, I hate flying under the radar like this, but I'm running out of time toDay.

[Cailín]

++NERWEN

Not really a retribution vote, rather I don't have any other strong suspicions; so as not to incur the wrath of Roa and her ilk, I will vote for who I deem evil. There's still a chance we can lynch her today. Here's why she's suspicious:

Her opening post seems rather wolvish to me: it's long and doesn't say much; she criticises other people's methods, in order to achieve a place on the pedestal of sense. She accuses me of making pointless lists, but then gets defensive and votes for me after I questioned her virtue.

[Lalaith]

Izzy - I'm going by the fact that Day started at 11.56pm. So I'm assuming it ends just before midnight.

[Isabellkya]

I also forgot that we are in Daylight Savings here.. so there is a seven hour difference, rather than the usual eight. Ahh phoeuy.

Volo
This is most amusing. I probably just now realized that this is one huge village!

Ahaha, I did was well when you both pointed it out. 17 votes left.. sheesh.



X'd with Green, Brin, Legate. Spelling error.

[the phantom]

The voting-

morm for Brin
Sally for tp
Gwath for Sally
Kit for morm
Nerwen for Cailin
Roa for tp
Cel for Izzy
Rikae for morm
Izzy for Roa
Shasta for tp
Eonwe for tp
Cailin for Ner
Ka for Cel
Green for Gwath

tp- 4
morm- 2
Brin- 1
Sally- 1
Cailin- 1
Izzy- 1
Roa- 1
Ner- 1
Cel- 1
Gwath- 1

Regarding the most recent votes-

I don't want to vote for Cel. She could be a WW, but nothing has stood out to me and I don't think she is the EW.

Gwath- no clue. I need for the day to end to have time and go back and read over people's posts.

And then there's Nerwen. Finally someone cast a vote for someone who made my top 5 list. Right before the game started I made a list of the most likely Wizards, you see, and Nerwen was in the top five.

So right now she's my favorite target of the ones that have votes at this point, but I really ought to go back and read what she's posted today. Maybe after reading I won't be so inclined to vote for her.

[the phantom]

There are still 14 votes left out there, in case you were wondering.

[Lalaith]

Hmm...
I've been sitting here pondering my Volo/Aganzir/Nerwen/Roa axis of concern, while trying to keep up with new posts and voting.

I said earlier that Cailin had been talking sense, and her case against Nerwen echoed many of the thoughts I've been having. Aganzir I'm almost equally concerned about (this casual habit of picking up of theories and putting them down again) but of the two I think Nerwen is the more likely to be a EW.
Roa - would she be a wiz two games in a row? I doubt it. And Volo...he's talking a bit more on my wavelength in the last few posts he's made.
And then there's the Mac/Legate thing, I will keep an eye on that too tomorrow, if I am spared.
Enough pondering, it is time to act.
+++NERWEN

[Thinlómien]

I'd love to vote Agan and I know Brinn and Volo could do that too, but that really isn't much as tp already has 4 votes... I know I don't really enjoy him being around as he's mostly baffling and a nuisance but lynching him, I think, would be a mistake...

But none of the other vote candidates really appeal to me either... I must think.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'd love to vote Agan and I know Brinn and Volo could do that too, but that really isn't much as tp already has 4 votes...

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

I don't really understand this Nerwen bandwagon, and I'd rather let her live.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by tp

But as I pointed out before, our chances of hitting a WW while looking for the EW are probably just as good as hitting a WW while looking for a WW (at least on Day 1), and thus I do not want to lynch anyone today that people agree is not likely to have applied to be the EW.
Does everyone understand that point and agree with it?

Yes and yes, for me. But the current voting situation may affect my choice more than that, and people's level of suspiciousness definitely will.

Anyway, like I just said, I'd love to vote Agan. I'd also like to vote Kath because she has been rather unconstructive toDay, will probably slip under the radar, could have applied to be the EW and would be a good wolf pick for the EW. Sadly, I might have to choose someone else...


edit: xed with tp, Agan and morm

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Legate

Is it just me, or is it just a random thing (however I think McCaber could write such a short post under two minutes, no?), or is it the first real bandwaggon-jump I saw here? It will be probably too obvious, though. But, if McCaber really has not much time on his hands, why not do it... McC, have you seen phantom's post before you posted...?

I don't know. It did surprise me a bit when I refreshed the page to see, so soon after my post, a vote for Nerwen. I can't remember how much time elapsed though. There's a huge difference between 179 seconds and 61 seconds, both of which could mark the possible gap between the two posts.

[mormegil]

I just poked my head in and I haven't read anything since my vote but I looked at the vote count and I think it foolish to lynch the phantom at this stage. I say this from the vantage point of having a great deal of familiarity with him...don't let his abrasive nature make you think he is guilty.

[Diamond18]

Hey all. Sorry, I've been hanging out in Cel's candle shop, eating her candles.

And that's my half-hearted attempt at being in character.

Personally I'm going to leave most of that fun to the mod, and his narrations.

That said, I feel inclined to forgive my big brother for expressing a desire to lynch me... it's phantom, this game won't be as fun without him, so I'm disappointed to see a lynch party amassing for him.

I haven't played WW for a long time and I'm very much out of the habit, so all these posts are fairly overwhelming. I should post more tomorrow, if there is a tomorrow for me... also need to read the rules again to make sure I know what's going on.

In the meantime, since it's half hour before the deadline I'm going to muse upon who to vote for in order to spare phantom the lynch. Not gonna lie, that's my only motivation right now.

[Brinniel]

Sally: Nothing about her screams suspicious. I don't feel like she gave enough reason behind her vote, but really that's it...

Nerwen: A lot of people seem to find her suspicious. I admit I was trying to see her as a possible candidate, but I can't find a good enough reason to vote her...

Cailin:

Originally Posted by Cailin

I'm thinking about voting for THE Ka, for her carelessly copying Roa's misquote about me. Although she doesn't really make a big deal of it, which makes me wonder.

I don't like the idea she'd consider voting someone for copying a misquote. It's a big game and people are unintentionally going to make mistakes. I know I'd probably make the same mistake as Ka. I also don't really like how she so suddenly jumps on Nerwen.

Hmm...I have no idea what to think about the others. Urgh, I'm running out of time...

Anyways, I could vote for Aganzir or Cailin. But I won't go for the tp and Nerwen bandwagon.

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Nerwen: A lot of people seem to find her suspicious. I admit I was trying to see her as a possible candidate, but I can't find a good enough reason to vote her...

Cailin:

I don't like the idea she'd consider voting someone for copying a misquote. It's a big game and people are unintentionally going to make mistakes. I know I'd probably make the same mistake as Ka. I also don't really like how she so suddenly jumps on Nerwen.

Brinniel, you posted this yesterday, and I thought it was a bit silly at the time, but now that you're still following these thoughts in your suspicions today, I think I must object.

After hearing what THE Ka said, I find her to be sincere. It was a mistake. However, it's far from a bad idea to suspect someone for this. If an innocent person wishes to build a case against someone, they have to investigate the primary sources. If a wolf wants to do it, just to appear to be doing something, he/she can lazily copy someone else's work -- even if that work is faulty. What happened was perfectly suspicious, though I later found myself trusting Ka.

About Nerwen: what do you mean I jumped on her? That is not how our argument started at all.

Posting more in a minute...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Well, young man, they say that love makes even the wisest of us blind and my daughter is an attractive girl (of course she is: she has her mother's genes), so I won't blame you.

Maybe it's like that. (In fact, I thought someone would post that... I thought the same when posting that.)

Originally Posted by the phantom

But as I pointed out before, our chances of hitting a WW while looking for the EW are probably just as good as hitting a WW while looking for a WW (at least on Day 1), and thus I do not want to lynch anyone today that people agree is not likely to have applied to be the EW.

Does everyone understand that point and agree with it?

Yes, but my personal belief, as stated somewhere high above, is that it does not matter in the end. It will be *somebody*. But as for that, Greenie as well as Volo could do for the above, now I am inclined towards LG (just why can't I remain with this label of mine and get influenced by the others?) somewhat more. However still I can't say it will be that much... you know, not that sure. I am a little (green okay, that was a stupid joke) worried in her case that I may really, really be doing wrong to her by that. More than I would be in Volo's case, or Gwath's case, for that matter. I would formulate it this way: LG is more suspicious overall, but I am more worried that I am mistaken in her case. Volo, for example, is less suspicious than her, but I will feel more sure with him.

And for all further voters: I don't think phantom is a good idea on vote. Not at all. He is innocent, I says. Although I see this "spirit of relativism" is settling down on me, as always... but that early...

EDIT: x-ed since some... well surely before the start of this page. Before #161.

[Volo]

morm for Brin
Sally for tp
Gwath for Sally
Kit for morm
Nerwen for Cailin
Roa for tp
Cel for Izzy
Rikae for morm
Izzy for Roa
Shasta for tp
Eonwe for tp
Cailin for Nerwen
Ka for Celuien
Lily for Gwath

tp- 4
morm- 2
Brin- 1
Sally- 1
Cailin- 1
Izzy- 1
Roa- 1
Nerwen- 1
Celuien- 1
Gwath- 1

Crazy Day! Probably the most half-random votes for different candidates in WW history! And I myself was thinking Agan or Legate...


Xd since Lily

[Durelin]

Why does phantom have the most votes?

It's between Cailin and Nerwen for me. Could go either way, but of the *lists* they each made, I think both Nerwen's were more looking-like-helpful but not actually helpful, while Cailin's was more controversial. So, Nerwen's were safer and more useless. I'm thinking Nerwen, but I need to read

But then, Eonwe's voting post is ridiculous.

Don't get Isabel's vote.

So, has Greenie been as consistent as I recall in her chugging along against Gwath and now voting for him? Yes, consistency makes me wonder...

Originally Posted by Brinniel

But goodness, a vote for me already...and didn't I only make two posts?

And yer point is? You're just lucky Nogrod's busy being...dead.

Originally Posted by Shasta

it seems to me, reading back, that the main advocates for searching for wolves versus searching for the EW were Roa, myself, Lhuna, Brinn, and Cailin. The ones advocating searching for the EW were Phantom, morm, and Gwath. Looking at Mac's list, it seems to me that he is quietly suspicious of everyone who wanted to look for the wolves first; "Only a little like" (Lhuna), "Not very much like" (me, Cailin), "No like" (Roa), "Really not sure" (Brinn).

Yeah, he's said that several times. You're conclusion from that is...?

Aganzir still bothers me. Need to focus on her the next reading-over I do. (Or rather, the first real reading-over I do...)

But right now I find Nerwen's posts and behavior the most suspicious and I actually have a sort of gut feeling about her that's not good.

++Nerwen

Edit: Crossed with everything from Volo's vote count.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Makes me wonder whether Lommy is a wolf trying to find her pack the EW didn't reveal her.

I think Aganzir may be reading too much into how something is phrased. I mean, first me and now Lommy...

I really would like to vote Aganzir, but I worry that may spread out the voting too much. I don't want to see tp lynched as I also think he's probably being framed..

Perhaps I should take a look at the others being voted for...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I think Aganzir may be reading too much into how something is phrased. I mean, first me and now Lommy...

I really would like to vote Aganzir, but I worry that may spread out the voting too much. I don't want to see tp lynched as I also think he's probably being framed..

Perhaps I should take a look at the others being voted for...

I tend to do that. Always.

[Nogrod]

The deadline is by the 'Downs time 11.00 PM GMT sharp.

That means something like 11.03/04 PM GMT real time.

Just watch the 'Downs clock at the bottom of your window and remember to update the page. All those votes with the marking 11.00 PM GMT will be counted. All those going over it will not be counted.

EDIT: Sorry I posted this with Greenie's name already but deleted it then. We're all three (Lommy, Greenie and myself) using the same computer so just forgive us...

[McCaber]

Well, here's my vote.

Once again, I don't have much time personally to explain it, but

++Nerwen

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

And then there's Nerwen. Finally someone cast a vote for someone who made my top 5 list. Right before the game started I made a list of the most likely Wizards, you see, and Nerwen was in the top five.

So right now she's my favorite target of the ones that have votes at this point, but I really ought to go back and read what she's posted today. Maybe after reading I won't be so inclined to vote for her.

Two minutes later:

Originally Posted by McCaber

Well, here's my vote.

Once again, I don't have much time personally to explain it, but

++Nerwen

Is it just me, or is it just a random thing (however I think McCaber could write such a short post under two minutes, no?), or is it the first real bandwaggon-jump I saw here? It will be probably too obvious, though. But, if McCaber really has not much time on his hands, why not do it... McC, have you seen phantom's post before you posted...?

EDIT: x-ed since the quoted posts