Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Cailin

Phantom, I often see your side of things and give you the benefit of the doubt, but you have about double the number of posts as the next highest. Why'd you lose your ability to post like a proper player?

Heh heh... Actually that's pretty typical. Do you recall Fea's game? I had over 100 posts just on that thread. Mith kept track of posting counts. I found this one on one of the latter pages-

the phantom- 95
The Saucepan Man- 54
Mithalwen- 43
Diamond18- 35
Kath- 16

I have almost twice as many as SPM! That's quite an accomplishment if you ask me.

So really, this is pretty standard stuff from me.

Originally Posted by Lommy

probably tp, because he seems less innocent and is less reasonable

Maybe less innocent, but I have not been less reasonable. Her attack post was a series of misquotes and grasping. I've been rather reasonable I'm thinking.

[Kath]

... I have absolutely no idea where those intervening hours just went. This is the trouble with being home and having Guitar Hero again.

Anyway, I have to be up horribly early in order to sort out some placement stuff so it's voting time.

Now, from looking at some of yesterDay in depth and at least reading the rest of it I had Agan, Durelin, Lommy and Mac on my 'hmm' list. So I'll have a quick look at what they were up to toDay and then vote.

Agan - was a little confused about whether Volo had a dream. Actually, lack of knowledge about the rules makes me think innocent more as if she were a wolf (whether original or later turned) she'd probably have checked that out. Then again, she'd be EW side not GW, so might not look at GW side rules. Finds Brinn, Legate and Lommy suspicious. Do you know, the more I read from thus Day the more innocent I'm finding her. She has a very good, sensible post on page 9 that is making me feel far more secure about her. Picks up Greenie. I saw something suspicious in her earlier, the Volo typo thing. Looks at Lommy too, who has apparently suddenly started using RL knowledge to try and peg her. Suspicious? I wouldn't say so. Use anything you can to try and figure people out! But that post turned me round on Agan again, I don't know why, I think the tone of it put my back up.

Durelin - suspicion of Agan and Lommy, and particularly the way they interacted with each other. Finds the rule that says 'no dream'. Thinks Lommy planted suspicion of Agan ... possibly a good point, we'll see about that when I get to Lommy. Starts to build a case against Lommy. Doesn't like those who are currently flying under the radar, like Izzy and McCaber. Well, fair enough, but with so many people in the village if you aren't phantom, Roa or that noisy you're going to be considered under the radar anyway. I get not liking them for just posting in character, bugs me too. Mentions Izzy did everything Roa did but ended up voting for her ... fair point if it's true. Is still building that case against Lommy a little bit at a time.

Lommy - do you know, I've just rethought this. If Lommy were the EW or a wolf or, well, anything, I really don't think she'd be this ... not here. I'm going to take her off the list, for now at least.

Mac - thinks Nerwen's death was pointless, also doesn't get Kitanna's death. Some suspicion of Lhuna for having vague suspicions as well as suspecting Eonwe with silly reasoning. Gets all his questions of Lhuna answered and seems to give up on that idea, he seemed quite stumped by her rational explanation. Says the Nerwen bandwagon makes phantom look evil (but then so does everything) but argues himself out of this by saying phantom is unlikely to play as he is if he is the EW. Suspicion of Agan, for being too laid back. This game truly is impossible. Don't overreact and you're labelled as a careful wolf, overreact and you're labelled as a defensive wolf. Mildly useless list of who he suspects.

I'm not entirely done (still a whole flipping page to go! Can't you people talk less?) but I have to go. I've been at this too long already. So, I don't like Mac here. He tried to fight against Lhuna but when she gave him nothing he gave up and went after someone else. Everyone has gone after Agan. Is that because there's something there or is someone making her a very effective scapegoat? I can't make my mind up on her. I read one post and she strikes me as innocent, the very next post she looks suspicious. I don't think I could happily vote Durelin unless I'd looked at Lommy as the two of them seem rather closely linked. Therefore:

++MAC

[the phantom]

Roa for tp
Lhuna for Mac
Nilp for McCaber
Gwath for Lal
morm for Brin
Sally for McCaber
Cel for Cailin
Rikae for Legate
Shasta for Legate
Mac for Agan
Kath for Mac

McCaber- 2
Legate- 2
Mac- 2
tp- 1
Lal- 1
Brin- 1
Cailin- 1
Agan- 1

[the phantom]

Okay, here's where I stand on the leaders.

I don't want to lynch Legate. Like I said I've been flip-flopping on him in my mind, and right now I'm firmly seeing him as innocent. I think maybe I'm getting a feeling for him at last.

I don't want to lynch Mac either. In a couple of other games I've been able to get a decent read on him, so I don't feel the need to kill him to discover what he is.

McCaber- I don't have much of a feeling for him, so I'd prefer him above the other two leaders.

Agan might be the best choice. I'm inclined to trust Lommy's gut which I gather has been screaming "guilty" since the beginning. But I hate to lose the entertainment.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Agan might be the best choice. I'm inclined to trust Lommy's gut which I gather has been screaming "guilty" since the beginning. But I hate to lose the entertainment.

Inclined to trust Lommy?? Oh please this is what I mean when saying she uses RL knowledge wrong. Have you considered the possibility that's just what she wants you to do?

[the phantom]

phantom Stop Trusting My Judgement On agan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Erm... okay...

Agan, do you want me to trust your judgement on Lommy since she's informed me that following her lead is a bad idea?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Erm... okay...

Agan, do you want me to trust your judgement on Lommy since she's informed me that following her lead is a bad idea?

What if you just trusted your own judgement?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Inclined to trust Lommy?? Oh please this is what I mean when saying she uses RL knowledge wrong. Have you considered the possibility that's just what she wants you to do?

I'm not MISUSING it! For heaven's sake, stop that incredibly silly arghument. I DO NOT want him to trust my judgement on you like I've said several times!

edit: xed with some

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'm not MISUSING it! For heaven's sake, stop that incredibly silly arghument. I DO NOT want him to trust my judgement on you like I've said several times!

edit: xed with some

It used to look PRETTY MUCH like that.

[Diamond18]

I don't know who to vote for, really. The more I read, the more I think that (to mis-quote the Arctic Monkeys) All You People Are Werewolves.

But I do like the ire.

It's tasty.

[Lalaith]

I'm back, and reading like a maniac to try to get a grip on the Day's events before deadline.

This comment of Mac's made me fret a bit:

Why the evil team picked Kitanna is beyond me. I was thinking she'd be a good candidate to be added to the evil team last Night.

How could you know that Kitanna could be *added* to the evil team? She could have been a wolf already for all you knew. Sounds a bit dodgy.


And I totally agree with Brinniel on this:

Of course it's possible that the wolves know each other, or one's a wolf and one's the EW. But it's also possible that the wolves don't know each other and are attacking each other (or a wolf's attacking the EW). We can't suspect or disregard someone solely based on how they treated someone who has been proven innocent or guilty...

In fact, I remember phantom and Eomer going at it hammer and tongs, and both of them getting themselves lynched as a result, when both were innocents.

[Diamond18]

++ MAC-DADDY

I have a feeling I'm going to get a spanking for this.

[Lalaith]

As for voting...I did think I would vote for Aganzir because she was my second suspect from yesterday. But now I'm wondering, because
a. it doesn't seem right to vote when I haven't had a chance to mull over today's posts
b. I'm completely thrown by Lommy right now and don't know what to make of her spat with Aganzir.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A voting list.

Roa => TP (tp 1)
Lhuna => MAC (tp 1, Mac 1)
Nilp => CABER (tp 1, Mac 1, Caber 1)
Gwath => LALAITH (tp 1, Mac 1, Caber 1, Lalaith 1)
Morm => BRINN (tp 1, Mac 1, Caber 1, Lalaith 1, Brinn 1)
Sally => CABER (tp 1, Mac 1, Caber 2, Lalaith 1, Brinn 1)
Celuien => CAILÍN (tp 1, Mac 1, Caber 2, Lalaith 1, Brinn 1, Cailín 1)
Rikae => LEGATE (tp 1, Mac 1, Caber 2, Lalaith 1, Brinn 1, Cailín 1, Legate 1)
Shasta => LEGATE (tp 1, Mac 1, Caber 2, Lalaith 1, Brinn 1, Cailín 1, Legate 2)
Mac => AGANZIR (tp 1, Mac 1, Caber 2, Lalaith 1, Brinn 1, Cailín 1, Legate 2, Aganzir 1)
Kath => MAC (tp 1, Mac 2, Caber 2, Lalaith 1, Brinn 1, Cailín 1, Legate 2, Aganzir 1)
Di => MAC (tp 1, Mac 3, Caber 2, Lalaith 1, Brinn 1, Cailín 1, Legate 2, Aganzir 1)

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I'm back, and reading like a maniac to try to get a grip on the Day's events before deadline.

This comment of Mac's made me fret a bit:

''Why the evil team picked Kitanna is beyond me. I was thinking she'd be a good candidate to be added to the evil team last Night.''


How could you know that Kitanna could be *added* to the evil team? She could have been a wolf already for all you knew. Sounds a bit dodgy.


And I totally agree with Brinniel on this:


In fact, I remember phantom and Eomer going at it hammer and tongs, and both of them getting themselves lynched as a result, when both were innocents.

Ah memories, Lal. That was an extremely fun game. - [Eomer]

Good spot on Mac, though. It certainly appears to be an awkward quotation.

[Thinlómien]

Aaaaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhh! Aganzir is making a futile and totally stupid case against me and then turning confident I'm a wolf or something like that and I don't really have time to answer her nonsense as Greenie had to post too and I have to start thinking who I'll vote! If I'm stilla live toMorrow there will be a proper self-defense, but for now I will sum it up as: Agan tries to interpret everything I say in a bad light and deliberatedly misrepresents me, which does not make me one little bit more trusting of her.

Now, as for who to vote, tp and Agan are the only ones who really stand out for me. There are also others I'm vahguely feeling bad about - Cailín, Lalaith, McCaber and Mac, but I'm very aware that apart from Cailín, these are mostly based on other people's suspicions. I've really had too little time to think toDay. I'm a bit at loss with the whole game aargh....


edit: xed with everybody after Kath

[Thinlómien]

Phantom Stop Trusting My Judgement On Agan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


EDIT: xed with those two

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Inclined to trust Lommy?? Oh please this is what I mean when saying she uses RL knowledge wrong. Have you considered the possibility that's just what she wants you to do?

Originally Posted by Thinlomien

Phantom Stop Trusting My Judgement On Agan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*amused* Children, play nice.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't get it. Logically, I would think both Lommy and Agan more like innocent (i.e. from their posting). However, what to make of this, I would not believe them making so extreme points on each other if they weren't true, as, let's face it, they do know each other at least somewhat good. Saying such radical things, however... makes me puzzled. 50 000 - puzzle, probably. Or something like that.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Aaaaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhh! Aganzir is making a futile and totally stupid case against me and then turning confident I'm a wolf or something like that and I don't really have time to answer her nonsense as Greenie had to post too and I have to start thinking who I'll vote! If I'm stilla live toMorrow there will be a proper self-defense, but for now I will sum it up as: Agan tries to interpret everything I say in a bad light and deliberatedly misrepresents me, which does not make me one little bit more trusting of her.

Now, as for who to vote, tp and Agan are the only ones who really stand out for me. There are also others I'm vahguely feeling bad about - Cailín, Lalaith, McCaber and Mac, but I'm very aware that apart from Cailín, these are mostly based on other people's suspicions. I've really had too little time to think toDay. I'm a bit at loss with the whole game aargh....


edit: xed with everybody after Kath

Because I am confident you're a wolf! And if I'm wrong I deserve to be lynched on day 1 from now on and can even lend a hand and vote myself.

[McCaber]

Well, this is fun. Aside from the fact that I'm really not sure who to vote.

Originally Posted by tp

I'm up for Gwath, but only if we can shoot him past everyone.

Well, as that's only 3 votes right now, it's not that far away.

EDIT: crossed x3