Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Um, huh? There will be a new ranger toNight. Why are you misleading people, Legate?

I don't know how it works, but I am not quite sure if the Ranger will be immediately up to the task? I mean, when Mac was killed, someone took his place immediately already the same night? Oh yes, probably yes. Anyway, I did not think about it, it's really late here, I will not post anymore and go to sleep. I can't think of much anyway.

Originally Posted by Rikae

"Warm up my own soup" is an interesting turn of phrase in these circumstances, too. Legate, did you make "Mac & Pork" of my late husband?

Blah, blah, blah. I am getting sleepy, which is especially dangerous, as your chattiness irritates me to the point that you may as well drive me to go after you, which is not a thing I like to do, but whatever. For example:

Originally Posted by Rikae

If I was a wolf, last night I would be thinking about not killing someone Mac was protecting, above anything else.

Poor Mac... I always hate to see him go. Why on earth does everyone find him suspicious lately when he's good, anyway?

I can imagine this whole quote being spoken by you wolf, how dare you, your poor Mac, and I even know it from personal experience when you were a wolf with me and you were happy to make a Mac&pork of him yourself and then laugh at him when he was dead (well, we all do that, but whatever). Anyway, it wasn't even - or not directly at least - the problem that he was suspected, but that he was killed. I know it was connected, but still.

Anyway, I see I may be as well starting to talk nonsense, so I better go to sleep now. Good night all.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Legate

I don't know how it works, but I am not quite sure if the Ranger will be immediately up to the task? I mean, when Mac was killed, someone took his place immediately already the same night? Oh yes, probably yes. Anyway, I did not think about it, it's really late here, I will not post anymore and go to sleep. I can't think of much anyway.

No. I think last Night the GW would've scried the new seer. ToNight they will be able to scry a new ranger...and that player will immediately be able to use that new ability. I think that's how it works.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I don't know how it works, but I am not quite sure if the Ranger will be immediately up to the task? I mean, when Mac was killed, someone took his place immediately already the same night? Oh yes, probably yes. Anyway, I did not think about it, it's really late here, I will not post anymore and go to sleep. I can't think of much anyway.

I believe it goes like this - the GW gets to make a new gifted to replace a killed one on the next night (since the wolf kill comes last in the nightly events). Therefore, the new seer would have been made last night (or possibly a new ranger instead), and a new ranger toNight, unless more gifteds get killed, that is. The gifted actions come after the wizard scry, so the new gifteds get to do their stuff on the first night (just like the new wolf last night got to kill.)

Originally Posted by Leggy

Blah, blah, blah. I am getting sleepy, which is especially dangerous, as your chattiness irritates me to the point that you may as well drive me to go after you, which is not a thing I like to do, but whatever.

I'm not scared of you.

Originally Posted by Legomaniac

I can imagine this whole quote being spoken by you wolf, how dare you, your poor Mac, and I even know it from personal experience when you were a wolf with me and you were happy to make a Mac&pork of him yourself and then laugh at him when he was dead (well, we all do that, but whatever). Anyway, it wasn't even - or not directly at least - the problem that he was suspected, but that he was killed. I know it was connected, but still.

Now, I resent that. I didn't laugh at him. Still, WW is WW and I can't make compromises because of my personal feelings about somebody.

[Rikae]

Also, I really would like to know why people are always so quick to lynch Macalaure early on lately. Is it because of his long streak of being a wolf? I don't understand it, because he really did not look the least bit evil to me yesterDay, or the previous time this happened, either (I can't remember which game). And yes, he wouldn't have been revealed as the Ranger and probably wouldn't have been killed if he hadn't almost been lynched first.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Also, I really would like to know why people are always so quick to lynch Macalaure early on lately. Is it because of his long streak of being a wolf? I don't understand it, because he really did not look the least bit evil to me yesterDay, or the previous time this happened, either (I can't remember which game). And yes, he wouldn't have been revealed as the Ranger and probably wouldn't have been killed if he hadn't almost been lynched first.

Dear sister-in-law, I can understand your annoyance at this. As for myself, I (usually ) like to keep him around for a bit longer (except last game I played with him, maybe I should shut up ) as well as I enjoy playing with him. I don't think he was particularily suspicious this time (although not particularily innocentish either) and I'm inclined to believe that some people partly voted him because they were afraid he would be the EW. To be honest, I would not have been surprised if he had truned out to be a wizard. Anyway, I'm not sure if this discussion is actually of much use - not at least right now, maybe in the post-game discussions - at least it's not very wise of me to participate in it as it's (surprise surprise) distracting me from doing what I have been about to do for almost for an hour now...


edit: xed with Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Since Lommy can't keep on task... ()

Voting Record, Day 1

mormegil: ++Brinniel (Brinniel 1)
Sally: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 1)
Gwathagor: ++Sally (Brinniel 1, tp 1, Sally 1)
Kitanna: ++morm (Brinniel 1, tp 1, Sally 1, morm 1)
Nerwen: ++Cailin (Brinniel 1, tp 1, Sally 1, morm 1, Cailin 1)
Roa: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 1, Cailin 1)
Celuien: ++Izzy (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 1, Cailin 1, Izzy 1)
Rikae: ++morm (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1)
Izzy: ++Roa (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1)
Shasta: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 3, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1)
Eonwe: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1)
Cailin: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 1)
The Ka: ++Celuien (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 1, Celuien 1)
Greenie: ++Gwathagor (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 1, Celuien 1, Gwath 1)
McCaber: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 2, Celuien 1, Gwath 1)
Macalaure: ++Legate (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 2, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1)
Lalaith: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 3, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1)
Durelin: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 4, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1)
Lommy: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 4, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 1)
Diamond: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 1)
Volo: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 2)
Brinniel: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 3)
Legate: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 4)
Aganzir: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 6, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 4)

Did not vote: Nilpaurion, Lhuna, Kath, the phantom

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Voting Record, Day 1

Originally Posted by Lommy

So, Day1 voting in relation to the fact that Aganzir was a Nasty Werewolf

Good lord I thought we had done with that. *averts eyes, makes sign of evil*

Originally Posted by Mommy Dearest

Also, I really would like to know why people are always so quick to lynch Macalaure early on lately.

For my part I really wanted to know what he was. Mission accomplished.

Hmmmm I guess I'll post more later, I've come down with a headache and I just can't my usual entertaining effervescent self with one.

Oh, that's right, I had one thought lingering from yesterday. What the h is up with Aganzir's directions after she knew she was going to die? Like we're all going to rush to obey a Wolf? I'm beginning to think I'm not the only one on wax in this village.

And I don't see any evil in looking at Ka's posts, I mean, what, should we inspect our bums instead? No kill means entirely nothing... and it's not even proven yet that Volo and Kit were killed "for no reason," that's just an assumption, albeit a fairly logical one. Hey, I'm not up for the task of combing through Ka's posts, myself (ugh, I'm the resident lazy child and that's too much work) but if anyone else wants to, I don't see why they shouldn't.

I shall return.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by My Effervescent Self

Oh, that's right, I had one thought lingering from yesterday. What the h is up with Aganzir's directions after she knew she was going to die? Like we're all going to rush to obey a Wolf? I'm beginning to think I'm not the only one on wax in this village.

Okay fine, if no one else is going to speculate on this, I will.

As I see it, Agan had one of three motivations:

Lead us to believe that she believes Lommy is the EW or a Wolf and was sacrificing her, much to her disgruntlement.

She wants to create the appearance thereof, and make us suspect an innocent Lommy, Legate, and Brinn.

She wants to create the appearance of the appearance thereof, thus protecting an evil Lommy, Legate, and Brinn from suspicion.

My conclusion: I am sad that I cannot think of a way to work "the appearance of the appearance of the appearance thereof" into a scenario.

Also, I am somewhat surprised that an innocent Lommy would be allowed to live today. Isn't she a clear choice for a wolf kill, considering Agan's death makes her seem so innocent? IF she is innocent. If she is not, it's all so convenient. It's also convenient if she was innocent but instead of being mauled, was scried and converted to evil, because she was going to look so innocent today, due to actual innocence that no longer applies! *jabs finger in the air triumphantly*

The words of the day, children, are "innocent" and "appearance." Thereof.

But then, I STILL suspect Lommy of Wizardry. She could have sacrificed Agan, and Agan could be none the wiser about her actual role, thus rendering Agan's comment moot. Despite what TP says about the folly of the EW sacrificing wolves, we've seen it done successfully in the past and I wouldn't put it past Lommy to be going by that model.

Oh the possibilities.

[Thinlómien]

My sincerest apologies, but this is a... vote summary, of sorts.

So, Day1 voting in relation to the fact that Aganzir was a Nasty Werewolf:

1. morm -> Brinn
2. sally -> phantom
3. Gwath -> sally
4. Kitanna -> morm
5. Nerwen -> Cailín
6. Roa -> phantom 2
7. Celuien -> Isabell
8. Rikae -> morm 2
9. Isabell -> Roa
10. Shasta -> phantom 3
11. Eönwë -> phantom 4
12. Cailín -> Nerwen
13. Ka -> Celuien
14. Greenie -> Gwath
15. McCaber -> Nerwen 2
16. Mac -> Legate
17. Lalaith -> Nerwen 3
18. Durelin -> Nerwen 4

19. Lommy -> Agan
Here starts the Agan-wagon...

20. Di -> Nerwen 5
She's saving tp, yes, but she's also kind of saving Aganzir who a couple of people have considered voting... Although, the threat of Agan's lynch was quite small still at this phase and it's quite obvious she's saving tp, so I'm really stretching here. But maybe it's still worth pointing out.

21. Volo -> Agan 2
No need to analyse the seer's votes...

22. Brinn -> Aganzir 3
If the wolves wanted not to lynch one another and were aware of one another's identities, Brinn looks very innocent...

23. Legate -> Aganzir 4
...and so does Legate, even though he kept flip-flopping on the subject.

24. Agan -> Nerwen 6
Well...

Did not vote even though was verifiably around: phantom.


Okay, there's little to make out of this. If the wolves knew one another's identities, it's unlikely that Brinn or Legate are wolves. The problem is that that's wrongly phrased: it's unlikely that they were wolves on Day1. So nothing we can trust in here, although this makes me, nevertheless, feel a little better about them. Don't worry, fellow villagers, I'm still able to suspect them.

To my disappointment, no one was really saving Agan, except she herself. So nothing new here either.

The phantom's no vote still puzzles me. You ghostly person, care to explain why did you choose not to vote and who would you have voted, if you had?

All in all, that analysis was pretty worthless. But it made even more convinced there's something wrong with the Nerwen-wagon... mainly looking at Lalaith, McCaber and Durelin here.


edit: xed with everybody after my last post

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Lommy

The phantom's no vote still puzzles me. You ghostly person, care to explain why did you choose not to vote and who would you have voted, if you had?

I don't have the exact post on hand, but I believe the Phantom said that he was going to vote for Nerwen, but was prepared to switch to Aganzir if necessary. If he explained, though, I don't recall.