Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

In fact (to warm up my own soup a little bit), I thought Mac is a Gifted of the way he acted towards me, already on Day 1.

Figured he knew you were a wolf, did ya?

Originally Posted by Legate

Now even the Ranger is missing, which means even more...

Um, huh? There will be a new ranger toNight. Why are you misleading people, Legate?

[Rikae]

"Warm up my own soup" is an interesting turn of phrase in these circumstances, too. Legate, did you make "Mac & Pork" of my late husband?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Legate, did you make "Mac & Pork" of my late husband?

When my dear brother (may he rest in peace, he was a valiant man) did that revelation of his, my first reaction was that "he's bluffing! he's the EW! ...or is he the GW?" Okay, now I forgot why I'm writing this. Great. Erm... Could the evil guys have thought this way? Could it have affected their choices? I mean, yesterDay someone speculated (I think...?) that the evil team might not want to kill all the gifteds as they can kill the known gifteds after the wizard duel. But if the evil guys thought Mac might be ranger or GW, they might wanted to be more inclined to send the wolves to kill him/check his identity. Hmm... this might actually be rather irrelevant, but it just crossed my mind.

I'm really not getting anything done and my brain's not working properly. Maybe I should go to sleep. It's soon 3am here... but I really would like to see that Day1 voting... maybe I will.

Now I'm wondering if I had any more reason to do this post than express my amusement at Rikae's words...


edit: xed with everybody after Rikae

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

When my dear brother (may he rest in peace, he was a valiant man) did that revelation of his, my first reaction was that "he's bluffing! he's the EW! ...or is he the GW?" Okay, now I forgot why I'm writing this. Great. Erm... Could the evil guys have thought this way? Could it have affected their choices? I mean, yesterDay someone speculated (I think...?) that the evil team might not want to kill all the gifteds as they can kill the known gifteds after the wizard duel. But if the evil guys thought Mac might be ranger or GW, they might wanted to be more inclined to send the wolves to kill him/check his identity. Hmm... this might actually be rather irrelevant, but it just crossed my mind.

I think, with all the power which is left to my brain, that I can see what you are going to. But probably sometimes the simpest choice is the best, so they just, like I said, saw Mac yesterDay, thought "hey, he revealed" (and they thought so rightfully) and said "let's kill him". And that was it.

Now I'm wondering if I had any more reason to do this post than express my amusement at Rikae's words...

I see there was more of us stemming from the same point.

Anyway. Task for those who are awake: try to find out what was up with Ka so that she was killed.

Otherwise, really good night (I hope).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Um, huh? There will be a new ranger toNight. Why are you misleading people, Legate?

I don't know how it works, but I am not quite sure if the Ranger will be immediately up to the task? I mean, when Mac was killed, someone took his place immediately already the same night? Oh yes, probably yes. Anyway, I did not think about it, it's really late here, I will not post anymore and go to sleep. I can't think of much anyway.

Originally Posted by Rikae

"Warm up my own soup" is an interesting turn of phrase in these circumstances, too. Legate, did you make "Mac & Pork" of my late husband?

Blah, blah, blah. I am getting sleepy, which is especially dangerous, as your chattiness irritates me to the point that you may as well drive me to go after you, which is not a thing I like to do, but whatever. For example:

Originally Posted by Rikae

If I was a wolf, last night I would be thinking about not killing someone Mac was protecting, above anything else.

Poor Mac... I always hate to see him go. Why on earth does everyone find him suspicious lately when he's good, anyway?

I can imagine this whole quote being spoken by you wolf, how dare you, your poor Mac, and I even know it from personal experience when you were a wolf with me and you were happy to make a Mac&pork of him yourself and then laugh at him when he was dead (well, we all do that, but whatever). Anyway, it wasn't even - or not directly at least - the problem that he was suspected, but that he was killed. I know it was connected, but still.

Anyway, I see I may be as well starting to talk nonsense, so I better go to sleep now. Good night all.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Legate

I don't know how it works, but I am not quite sure if the Ranger will be immediately up to the task? I mean, when Mac was killed, someone took his place immediately already the same night? Oh yes, probably yes. Anyway, I did not think about it, it's really late here, I will not post anymore and go to sleep. I can't think of much anyway.

No. I think last Night the GW would've scried the new seer. ToNight they will be able to scry a new ranger...and that player will immediately be able to use that new ability. I think that's how it works.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I don't know how it works, but I am not quite sure if the Ranger will be immediately up to the task? I mean, when Mac was killed, someone took his place immediately already the same night? Oh yes, probably yes. Anyway, I did not think about it, it's really late here, I will not post anymore and go to sleep. I can't think of much anyway.

I believe it goes like this - the GW gets to make a new gifted to replace a killed one on the next night (since the wolf kill comes last in the nightly events). Therefore, the new seer would have been made last night (or possibly a new ranger instead), and a new ranger toNight, unless more gifteds get killed, that is. The gifted actions come after the wizard scry, so the new gifteds get to do their stuff on the first night (just like the new wolf last night got to kill.)

Originally Posted by Leggy

Blah, blah, blah. I am getting sleepy, which is especially dangerous, as your chattiness irritates me to the point that you may as well drive me to go after you, which is not a thing I like to do, but whatever.

I'm not scared of you.

Originally Posted by Legomaniac

I can imagine this whole quote being spoken by you wolf, how dare you, your poor Mac, and I even know it from personal experience when you were a wolf with me and you were happy to make a Mac&pork of him yourself and then laugh at him when he was dead (well, we all do that, but whatever). Anyway, it wasn't even - or not directly at least - the problem that he was suspected, but that he was killed. I know it was connected, but still.

Now, I resent that. I didn't laugh at him. Still, WW is WW and I can't make compromises because of my personal feelings about somebody.

[Rikae]

Also, I really would like to know why people are always so quick to lynch Macalaure early on lately. Is it because of his long streak of being a wolf? I don't understand it, because he really did not look the least bit evil to me yesterDay, or the previous time this happened, either (I can't remember which game). And yes, he wouldn't have been revealed as the Ranger and probably wouldn't have been killed if he hadn't almost been lynched first.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Also, I really would like to know why people are always so quick to lynch Macalaure early on lately. Is it because of his long streak of being a wolf? I don't understand it, because he really did not look the least bit evil to me yesterDay, or the previous time this happened, either (I can't remember which game). And yes, he wouldn't have been revealed as the Ranger and probably wouldn't have been killed if he hadn't almost been lynched first.

Dear sister-in-law, I can understand your annoyance at this. As for myself, I (usually ) like to keep him around for a bit longer (except last game I played with him, maybe I should shut up ) as well as I enjoy playing with him. I don't think he was particularily suspicious this time (although not particularily innocentish either) and I'm inclined to believe that some people partly voted him because they were afraid he would be the EW. To be honest, I would not have been surprised if he had truned out to be a wizard. Anyway, I'm not sure if this discussion is actually of much use - not at least right now, maybe in the post-game discussions - at least it's not very wise of me to participate in it as it's (surprise surprise) distracting me from doing what I have been about to do for almost for an hour now...


edit: xed with Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Since Lommy can't keep on task... ()

Voting Record, Day 1

mormegil: ++Brinniel (Brinniel 1)
Sally: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 1)
Gwathagor: ++Sally (Brinniel 1, tp 1, Sally 1)
Kitanna: ++morm (Brinniel 1, tp 1, Sally 1, morm 1)
Nerwen: ++Cailin (Brinniel 1, tp 1, Sally 1, morm 1, Cailin 1)
Roa: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 1, Cailin 1)
Celuien: ++Izzy (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 1, Cailin 1, Izzy 1)
Rikae: ++morm (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1)
Izzy: ++Roa (Brinniel 1, tp 2, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1)
Shasta: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 3, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1)
Eonwe: ++the phantom (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1)
Cailin: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 1)
The Ka: ++Celuien (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 1, Celuien 1)
Greenie: ++Gwathagor (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 1, Celuien 1, Gwath 1)
McCaber: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 2, Celuien 1, Gwath 1)
Macalaure: ++Legate (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 2, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1)
Lalaith: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 3, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1)
Durelin: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 4, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1)
Lommy: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 4, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 1)
Diamond: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 1)
Volo: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 2)
Brinniel: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 3)
Legate: ++Aganzir (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 5, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 4)
Aganzir: ++Nerwen (Brinniel 1, tp 4, Sally 1, morm 2, Cailin 1, Izzy 1, Roa 1, Nerwen 6, Celuien 1, Gwath 1, Legate 1, Aganzir 4)

Did not vote: Nilpaurion, Lhuna, Kath, the phantom

[Thinlómien]

My sincerest apologies, but this is a... vote summary, of sorts.

So, Day1 voting in relation to the fact that Aganzir was a Nasty Werewolf:

1. morm -> Brinn
2. sally -> phantom
3. Gwath -> sally
4. Kitanna -> morm
5. Nerwen -> Cailín
6. Roa -> phantom 2
7. Celuien -> Isabell
8. Rikae -> morm 2
9. Isabell -> Roa
10. Shasta -> phantom 3
11. Eönwë -> phantom 4
12. Cailín -> Nerwen
13. Ka -> Celuien
14. Greenie -> Gwath
15. McCaber -> Nerwen 2
16. Mac -> Legate
17. Lalaith -> Nerwen 3
18. Durelin -> Nerwen 4

19. Lommy -> Agan
Here starts the Agan-wagon...

20. Di -> Nerwen 5
She's saving tp, yes, but she's also kind of saving Aganzir who a couple of people have considered voting... Although, the threat of Agan's lynch was quite small still at this phase and it's quite obvious she's saving tp, so I'm really stretching here. But maybe it's still worth pointing out.

21. Volo -> Agan 2
No need to analyse the seer's votes...

22. Brinn -> Aganzir 3
If the wolves wanted not to lynch one another and were aware of one another's identities, Brinn looks very innocent...

23. Legate -> Aganzir 4
...and so does Legate, even though he kept flip-flopping on the subject.

24. Agan -> Nerwen 6
Well...

Did not vote even though was verifiably around: phantom.


Okay, there's little to make out of this. If the wolves knew one another's identities, it's unlikely that Brinn or Legate are wolves. The problem is that that's wrongly phrased: it's unlikely that they were wolves on Day1. So nothing we can trust in here, although this makes me, nevertheless, feel a little better about them. Don't worry, fellow villagers, I'm still able to suspect them.

To my disappointment, no one was really saving Agan, except she herself. So nothing new here either.

The phantom's no vote still puzzles me. You ghostly person, care to explain why did you choose not to vote and who would you have voted, if you had?

All in all, that analysis was pretty worthless. But it made even more convinced there's something wrong with the Nerwen-wagon... mainly looking at Lalaith, McCaber and Durelin here.


edit: xed with everybody after my last post

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Lommy

The phantom's no vote still puzzles me. You ghostly person, care to explain why did you choose not to vote and who would you have voted, if you had?

I don't have the exact post on hand, but I believe the Phantom said that he was going to vote for Nerwen, but was prepared to switch to Aganzir if necessary. If he explained, though, I don't recall.

[Gwathagor]

Hey everyone. I'm going to try to be more involved toDay (as it's now the weekend and I'm not working as much). It's been difficult to form well-developed opinions of everyone because I haven't been around enough during the Day. I apologize.

I have to say, Rikae, you were awful quick there to jump on Legate and cast his remark regarding the Ranger in the most negative light possible. It seems highly unlikely that Legate could accomplish anything by intentionally trying to "mislead" people on such a basic point of DW rules. Anybody who is familiar with the rules would simply view the comment as a mistake and move on.

Crossed with all since Shastanis

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I have to say, Rikae, you were awful quick there to jump on Legate and cast his remark regarding the Ranger in the most negative light possible. It seems highly unlikely that Legate could accomplish anything by intentionally trying to "mislead" people on such a basic point of DW rules. Anybody who is familiar with the rules would simply view the comment as a mistake and move on.

I must agree with this; however, there's something wrong with Legate's last post as well. And now I'm really off to check Day1 voting... almost.


edit: xed with the flood after Gwath's post

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I have to say, Rikae, you were awful quick there to jump on Legate and cast his remark regarding the Ranger in the most negative light possible. It seems highly unlikely that Legate could accomplish anything by intentionally trying to "mislead" people on such a basic point of DW rules. Anybody who is familiar with the rules would simply view the comment as a mistake and move on.

Speaking of that, I don't see what she could base on it. What I said could demoralize people at most, but otherwise, I think it will have no value for determining what I am. Provocation or what?

Anyway, for the third time, and third should be the last, good night.

[Brinniel]

I agree with Rikae. I highly doubt Ka was killed based on something she said. She was probably killed because she was overlooked by most other players.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I agree with Rikae. I highly doubt Ka was killed based on something she said. She was probably killed because she was overlooked by most other players.

I have to agree too. Like I said earlier, I think Ka was a relatively safe kill for the wolves. However, there's nothing to be gained by not looking into her death, either, is there?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I have to agree too. Like I said earlier, I think Ka was a relatively safe kill for the wolves. However, there's nothing to be gained by not looking into her death, either, is there?

Well, I wanted to point out that it looked like Sally was preparing to frame somebody on shaky grounds. It raised my eyebrow, anyway.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't know what this might mean, but looking at the Day 1 record, Aganzir didn't have to vote Nerwen to save herself; Nerwen already had 5 votes to Aganzir's 4 before Aganzir voted. Is there another reason, maybe, that she voted Nerwen?

[Gwathagor]

I'm interested to see what happens in toDay's installment of the Roa/phantom feud. I haven't been able to get much out of their arguments, but I have noticed that while tp is easier to like because he's funny, he also seems to take the goodwill of the village for granted. I feel like his posts require us to take a lot of things on faith. No, I can't think of any examples, that's just the impression I get. I'll go read through yesterDay and see if I can find something a little more concrete than my feelings to back this up, though.