Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Lalaith]

I'm not trusting tp, but I'm not claiming he's faking

Lommy, that's just beyond weird. If you don't trust him, then he's faking. If you don't think he's faking, then trust him.

I do need to read everything posted so far very closely - I think a crisis does bring out the best or worst in people.
But I think most of the villagers I've seen post so far are feeling in the same boat as me - confused and trying to make sense of things. Roa and Lommy however have been a bit, well, off. The intellectual rigour I would expect from both of these ladies, if innocent, just hasn't been there. Hmmm, I say, again.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Lommy, that's just beyond weird. If you don't trust him, then he's faking. If you don't think he's faking, then trust him.

Lommy has been all over the freaking place since Rikae revealed. Either she'd boggled out of her mind or she's evil. Srsly.

Roa and Lommy however have been a bit, well, off. The intellectual rigour I would expect from both of these ladies, if innocent, just hasn't been there. Hmmm, I say, again.

I'll say. And the more I think about it, the more I'm seeing Rikae as the Evil Wizard, and Cailin, Lommy, and Roa as wolves.

Hmmmm... the fourth wolf... if I had to bet on it... would be Shasta.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Lommy has been all over the freaking place since Rikae revealed. Either she'd boggled out of her mind or she's evil. Srsly.

I'll say. And the more I think about it, the more I'm seeing Rikae as the Evil Wizard, and Cailin, Lommy, and Roa as wolves.

Hmmmm... the fourth wolf... if I had to bet on it... would be Shasta.

I would not be surprised to learn that Lommy had been scried into a wolf last Night following Aganzir's death, because Lommy's part in that lynching would render her exceptionally innocent-looking.

[Rikae]

Well, I'm back.

I'm sorry I had to leave so abruptly. Anyway, yes, Legate is a wolf, and my seer dreamt of him. I didn't want to tell you what else I knew, because it would play too much into the EW's hands. I expected toNight to be my last night, and I wanted to make the most of it.

Seeing the reactions has certainly been helpful. Now, I don't know about Cailin - if you lynch her, you're most likely lynching an innocent, unless she is a wolf chosen for sacrifice or not known to the others. I've given you Legate, and tp apparently figured I already knew him and decided to try this desperate tactic. If you insist, at least by lynching me you won't do any harm.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Anyway, yes, Legate is a wolf, and my seer dreamt of him.

Well, then it is clear. And given the way Rikae speaks about phantom, it makes me think that phantom is not lying. But the question, as posed, is the above - whom to vote for, now that it's clear. Rikae is surely up to no good. Cailín, from my pov, if I believe phantom's words, most likely. Heck, Rikae, if she is something, can be lynched toMorrow, and if phantom is her accomplice, he can be done after that, and then... whatever. I would go for trusting phantom, at least for now.

Otherwise, speaking of other people - just for the case that I won't be here toMorrow to say that: there was Lommy, who indeed "was all over the place since Rikae revealed", and I already proposed before that she may have been innocent at start but scried. That's one thing I am currently pondering as probability.

After all of this I am feeling better of Lalaith... and of Gwath also, somewhat.

[satansaloser2005]

By the way. My last post was not directed toward any of you. "This is ridiculous" is more of the situation in general, not the way people are dealing with it. Just letting that be known, as it looked a little rude to me. Okay, leaving now before I end up being a sauteed Sally. Play nice while I'm gone kiddos.

[Diamond18]

The more I think about, the less of an option lynching Rikae is. It's just going to force the GW to scry Cailin in the night, to get rid of a wolf, and then there won't be a Ranger.

If you want to be "safe" (ha!) and vote Rikae, go ahead. If she gets her way, she (and Roa and Lommy and Cailin) deserve to eat this village. For my part, it's clear what the best choice is, so for better or worse:

++ CAILIN

[Lalaith]

Lommy had been scried into a wolf last Night following Aganzir's death, because Lommy's part in that lynching would render her exceptionally innocent-looking.

Ok, that's interesting.
I've been thinking (if phantom is right) that it's Cailin that was turned last night.
But lets say that Cailin was turned the previous night. Then her "oh it was Eomer yesterday not me" thing would fall into place, I suppose.

Both Lommy and Cailin were on my list of 'new' wolves. I know that my scrying theory was challenged by some people - and I do see that it has flaws, in that many EWs might sit back and wait. But on the other hand, if you're assembling a crack WW team, wouldn't potential wizards be the ones to go for?
And why is Lommy worried that I was thinking like an EW? I said I was. To catch wolves. What's wrong with that?

[satansaloser2005]

This is ridiculous.

Believe Phantom or not, he makes more sense than Rikae's "Let's kill Legate, I know for sure he's a wolf. Oh yeah, and I Nilp myself." (With love, Father dear) If you are POSITIVE he's a wolf, you kill him! After that last bit about her seer dreaming my sweet Legate, I'm even less likely to believe her. *bells going off! bells going off!*


She's lying, I'm almost positive of it. EW or puppet wolf? It's hard to tell. But either way, I'm sure she's evil.


By the way, if she is the wizard, yes if we lynch her she doesn't die. But that would only prove she was a wizard, not the GW as she is claiming.



All right, leaving again (apologies. it's just so flipping hot and I can't afford to leave my car running for a long time while I catch up and post). I don't know if I want to lynch Rikae or not, because if she's the EW she won't die. I'm still up for a Cailin lynch, although I'll talk more about that later. Dunno for now. Back later. (Sorry again guys and gals!)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

This is ridiculous.

Believe Phantom or not, he makes more sense than Rikae's "Let's kill Legate, I know for sure he's a wolf. Oh yeah, and I Nilp myself." (With love, Father dear) If you are POSITIVE he's a wolf, you kill him! After that last bit about her seer dreaming my sweet Legate, I'm even less likely to believe her. *bells going off! bells going off!*

Sorry to be rude, but why didn't anyone see/respond to this. I thought it made the situation obvious. Then again, I have made the same mistake (granted, not with a confirmed wolf, but still....) so yeah. Bah. We've got her anyway.


Phantom, if/when you die toNight, make sure to take a fuzzy wuzzy with you, kthnxbye. Love ya cousin!

[Thinlómien]

Oh, you can even add phantom killing me to the list of what to do rather than scry me, but I can't say I'd really recommend making him kill an ordinary villager, especially if the villager in question is my dear self...

[the phantom]

Phantom, if/when you die toNight, make sure to take a fuzzy wuzzy with you

If the EW allows me to use my gift then I will certainly try my best.

Well, I might as well-

+ + Cailin

[Celuien]

It's coming down to the following for me:

I'm pretty sure Rikae is a baddie. More specifically, I really think she's a wolf, since I don't think it makes sense for the EW to expose herself.

The question is if I think the phantom is an ordo pulling off a grand bluff or if I accept that he's the Hunter. That breaks into the following decision tree:

If tp is the Hunter, then Cailin is a Wolf, since the instruction to change the hunt choice may well have been the result of a dream - particularly with the level of certainty that he's displaying about her role.

If tp is bluffing, then Cailin could be a wolf or an ordo.

I'll vote for one of the two after giving tp's reveal more thought... right now I'm more certain of Rikae's guilt, but if tp had specific instructions, that changes everything. Like the decision tree up there says.

Must... think...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Last night I was suddenly told to switch my Hunter pick to Cailin, and told that at least if I died now my death would make for an awesome narrative.

Well, I am inclined to believe you being a Hunter, it would fit, as it was mentioned here by some, the more "hop-huaa" behavior of yours.

Originally Posted by Diamond18

SEE? tp has revealed (well, if you trust him, oh, this is going to cause headaches) and that's exactly what an evil Rikae probably wanted. To at least flush out a gifted, if not the GW.

That's what I thought might have been also a reason. I also thought something else, but forgot it. Heck, what it was? Maybe I will remember.

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you are inclined to lean towards Rikae's guilt, please lynch Cailin.

The fact is, I know she's a WW. I don't know what Rikae is for sure.

So you know she is a WW? Or did the GW just tell you to Hunt her, well, that does not necessarily mean she is a WW, you know what I mean? Maybe it's just a suspect for a Wolf. With Rikae then, we would be sure (or surer) there is some sinister idea behind all of that, whatever she is. But I agree that we should agree on something. And right now... right now if you say Cailín, I may as well be persuaded to do so, but... what do the others think.

EDIT: X-ed since Di

[Lalaith]

Oh man this is crazy.

I know - great, isn't it?! I'm so glad all this happened on the weekend when I was around properly to enjoy it.

So you know she is a WW? Or did the GW just tell you to Hunt her, well, that does not necessarily mean she is a WW, you know what I mean? Maybe it's just a suspect for a Wolf.

It's this sort of speculation, Legate, which leads me to suspect you really are innocent. (Aside from the bloody rudeness ) I mean, if you were a wolf, you wouldn't care whether we went for Cailin or Rikae.

[Thinlómien]

Phantom could also be lying just to cause confusion.

Rikae's return kind of ruined everything. Her tone seems quite honest... yet lynching her might still be the best choice....

Originally Posted by Lalaith

And why is Lommy worried that I was thinking like an EW? I said I was. To catch wolves. What's wrong with that?

Because you're doing it in such extent and it seems like coming very naturally to you - as if you had already pondered those things...

Originally Posted by Gwath

I would not be surprised to learn that Lommy had been scried into a wolf last Night following Aganzir's death, because Lommy's part in that lynching would render her exceptionally innocent-looking.

In that case, why not kill me? Scrying me looks kind of too obvious. Maybe I shouldn't say this, though, since I was half-expecting to be scried by the EW. Personally I believe I was left unkilled and unscried because Mac might have been protecting me and because some people believed I and Agan were in cahoots and thus I would not look that innocent toDay even as Agan was proved a wolf.


edit: xed with phantom, sally and Lalaith

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

It's this sort of speculation, Legate, which leads me to suspect you really are innocent. (Aside from the bloody rudeness ) I mean, if you were a wolf, you wouldn't care whether we went for Cailin or Rikae.

Thank you. Speaking of that, phantom, will you please answer that? (look up the question in Lalaith's post I quoted)

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Phantom could also be lying just to cause confusion.

Rikae's return kind of ruined everything. Her tone seems quite honest... yet lynching her might still be the best choice....

Oh you are soo obvious!
No, really, Lommy, you are trying to keep your distance, appear yet undecided, if possibly you could not find support for trusting Rikae. If you are innocent, by all believe me that Rikae is lying. If not, then it is clear what you are, and that you are trying to do what I just said.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

If you are innocent, by all believe me that Rikae is lying. If not, then it is clear what you are, and that you are trying to do what I just said.

I do think Rikae is lying but I cannot be sure. It's easy for you to say if you're indeed innocent and she's framing you. I have absolutely no way of knowing for certain.

Besides, I tend to say my impressions/opinions aloud whether they're consistent or not. I just write what I think at the moment when I'm writing. (You can see this from my posts where I first state I think something and in the next paragraph I contradict it. Sheesh, I guess that's the famous Lommy-flip-flopping. )


edit: xed with everything since my last post

[Thinlómien]

What does it matter if we leave Cailín-wolf or Rikae-wolf to be scried to innocent next Night? We still can't get a new ranger... Honestly, your logic is faulty...

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lommy

I do think Rikae is lying but I cannot be sure.

Well, then if you think she is, by Eru help me strike a blow against her side!

So you know she (Cailín) is a WW? Or did the GW just tell you to Hunt her, well, that does not necessarily mean she is a WW, you know what I mean?

Oh, sorry.

Yes, yes, I know she is a WW. I did lots of chatting with the GW, so I knew exactly what he was telling me. As a matter of fact he even made a comment shortly before daybreak asking my thoughts on who the "other three" could be.

Cailin's a WW.

.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I do think Rikae is lying but I cannot be sure. It's easy for you to say if you're indeed innocent and she's framing you. I have absolutely no way of knowing for certain.

Besides, I tend to say my impressions/opinions aloud whether they're consistent or not. I just write what I think at the moment when I'm writing. (You can see this from my posts where I first state I think something and in the next paragraph I contradict it. Sheesh, I guess that's the famous Lommy-flip-flopping. )

Ah. You are probably trying to be nice, and to seem reasonable, and to seem "typical" (flip-flopping...) but... Anyway. Today's question is about Rikae or Cailín now, clearly enough, and heck, if Cailín is not what phantom says - if he really knows she's a Wolf - then we still have a nice row of pre-ordined lynches or whatever for the upcoming days.

I also just thought of a slightly meta-game reason for Cailín being a wolf. I am not sure whether to say it, since it is really somewhat metagame. Although, not that much.