Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Rikae]

Guess what, Phantom? You just lynched my trusted second-in-command, who knows everything I know. If you had scried him instead, you would have won.

[the phantom]

If you had scried him instead, you would have won.

It would be kind of boring to win this early. These villagers want to have some WW fun before the end!

And what if I kill your seer for a third time, eh?

Then it would be the third time you had unintentionally killed my Seer.

Volo- you knew nothing.

Di- if you had thought she was the Seer you would've scried her rather than killed her.

And I chose not to protect either one, cause I knew I'd get to make another one the next night.

And they both got their dreams in before they died. Haven't missed a nightly dream yet. And the dreams have been rather useful, don't you think?

So really, it wasn't a big deal Mommy.

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Then there's the Rikae problem. Is she really the EW?

Yes.

I've known it for quite a while.

[Brinniel]

Yes Lommy, but just because a lot of people suspect you, it doesn't mean there isn't a good reason behind it. You may see it as "weak grounds," but others don't. And anyways, I have a good reason to comment because the last time someone questioned me for suspecting them, they turned out to be a wolf...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Yes Lommy, but just because a lot of people suspect you, it doesn't mean there isn't a good reason behind it. You may see it as "weak grounds," but others don't. And anyways, I have a good reason to comment because the last time someone questioned me for suspecting them, they turned out to be a wolf...

If there's a good reason, please point it out to me. I can't see such.

Besides, many of you aren't giving almost any grounds at all. (I give you the credit that you have at least raised a few actual points against me.) How on earth am I supposed to prove my innocence if no one gives a reason why they suspect me, or if their reasons are silly or irrational?

I just can't see why you all suspect me. Some of you say that there's a different feel to me and that's all you say - but what can I reply to that? It is the thing that makes me most baffled, because there should be no different feel to me as I have not changed my playing style and I'm not a wolf. So, do some of you have an over-active imagination, do you misjudge me or are you wolves (or innocents ) surfing on the current tide of suspicion in order to look better? That's what I'm trying to find out...

And as for questioning someone's suspicion for oneself should be a basic human right, not a mark of wolvish behaviour....

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

If there's a good reason, please point it out to me. I can't see such.

Besides, many of you aren't giving almost any grounds at all. (I give you the credit that you have at least raised a few actual points against me.) How on earth am I supposed to prove my innocence if no one gives a reason why they suspect me, or if their reasons are silly or irrational?

I just can't see why you all suspect me. Some of you say that there's a different feel to me and that's all you say - but what can I reply to that? It is the thing that makes me most baffled, because there should be no different feel to me as I have not changed my playing style and I'm not a wolf. So, do some of you have an over-active imagination, do you misjudge me or are you wolves (or innocents ) surfing on the current tide of suspicion in order to look better? That's what I'm trying to find out...

And as for questioning someone's suspicion for oneself should be a basic human right, not a mark of wolvish behaviour....

Lommy my concern is your use of punctuation...definately wolfish, not to mention you smiley or not so smiley faces.

Seriously though, part of the reason I suspect you is your insatiable desire to continually 'prove' your innocence. I've played many games with you and often times find you suspicious but this time I find you suspicious for different reasons. You do have a different vibe to you almost as if you changed roles...

[Lalaith]

Ok, here's why I think Lommy is a wolf.

There are players I have difficulty getting a 'feel' for. Kath, for example, and Durelin (although having said that I did spot wolf-Durelin last time I played).
But I do think I have a handle on Lommy, as it were, and every time I've played with Lommy before I've trusted her, and every time she's been innocent. (I think!)

But this time she feels all wrong. Her participation in the debate yesterday for example: the confusion seemed fabricated, as did the refusing to acknowledge that Rikae might be the EW.
Her last post "don't scry me please" yesterday sounded like a bid to make the GW think she (Lommy) was the EW rather than Rikae.
And the whole Aganzir/Lommy routine reminded me of Roa/Valier in the last DW.

There's some hard evidence there but it's mostly instinct and thus not as convincing to the rest of you as it could be. And of course I could be quite wrong. But there you have it.

[Lalaith]

Oi! You wizards! Play nice!

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Oi! You wizards! Play nice!

Yeah! You tell them!

Owww! That hurt!

[Thinlómien]

Alright.

Lalaith - flies straight to the over-active imagination or (either deliberately or accidentally) misjudging me category.

morm - First off, thanks for explaining.

Originally Posted by morm

Seriously though, part of the reason I suspect you is your insatiable desire to continually 'prove' your innocence. I've played many games with you and often times find you suspicious but this time I find you suspicious for different reasons. You do have a different vibe to you almost as if you changed roles...

Care to elaborate/ give example? I don't get what you mean by this.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Lommy

If there's a good reason, please point it out to me. I can't see such.

Besides, many of you aren't giving almost any grounds at all.

I thought I already pointed out my reasons earlier toDay. Though I should also mention, your very defensive nature and that you keep saying "I don't understand why everyone finds me suspicious!" is odd in itself. If those aren't good enough reasons for you, I'm sorry.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Yeah! You tell them!

Owww! That hurt!

I second (or is it third? Heh I don't know. anyway....) Play nice children.

And by the way, I think you (Rikae) and Mac have been having a streak of bad luck. I remember another game where you were a wolf and....well, the poor fellow. But all's fair in love and Werewolf.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Perhaps Nog might clarify but I don't really see that we should be talking to dead people about the game it really does affect the integrity of the whole thing.

Clarification: Di was going to text me with the lynch since I won't be around at Day's end, nothing more. But since it's pretty obvious who's dying, she pretty much won't need to. I'd tell her via IM, but she wasn't on at the time.



I've still had fun, although since so much is out in the open now, it kind of kills it. No offense, but I'll be kind of happy when the wizards are dead and we get to do things ourselves. *violent Sally is not at all violent, oh no, not me*

[Isabellkya]

Roa, I don't see how that is considered correcting yourself. When it seems to be, it is being corrected with most likely incorrect information. I still say there are only three wolves right now - not four.
In response to why I voted you - the first day, as I said it was part random/suspicion. Out of the people whom stuck out most in my head, I felt comfortable in voting for you. I do believe I answered this question pages and pages ago, when Brin had wondered about it.
The second day - it was either between you or phantom, you'd both been arguing against each other for two Days in a row. I didn't think it wise to let it alone and see if you'd work it out between yourselves. It was too much distraction for the villag

Ohkay.. this is mostly based upon yesterDay.

Greenie: I think she innocentish, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was a wolf.

Shasta: I would like to think him innocent, as he sometimes makes good points; though he does seem to have quite a number of joking/banter posts. Though again, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a furry creature whispering in his ear at night.

Lommy: Furry. She makes good points, however she did quite the waffling act yesterDay. It seemed she went from Rikae's side to the phantom/Diamond side.. slowly and reluctantly throughout the course of the Day. It gave me the feel of someone abandoning a fool-sinking ship, but trying to keep their dignity along with it.

Nilp: He has said some odd things, and until he pretty much revealed himself as having fur; I wouldn't know what to say.

Eonwe: In the I don't know realm.

Kath: Again, in the I don't know realm.

Sally: She seems innocent enough to me, though there is quite a lot of silliness. I think there is more of that, than there are of actual suspicions and directly related ww discussion.

Rikae: She is up to causing as much trouble as she can, which is fun to watch.

phantom: I find his actions suspicious. How he decides to pull his strings is annoying.

Lhuna: Realm of I am not sure.

Durelin: I would like to think innocent.

Roa: Furry. She makes good points, but she tends to contradict herself a bit, or atleast hold double standards. In the span of six posts yesterDay, she went from 'not convinced' to 'convinced'. She seemed to expect others to consider all of the possiblities, yet did not seem to do the same herself.

Brin: I think she innocent with maybe a wolf gene lying dormant.

Legate: I think he is a mutated wolf-innocent. Half his body is wolf, the other is villager. He has some good points, though him trying to "save" Ag in the beginning still bothers me. Though he did have some good comments yesterDay.

Lalaith: Up until the later end of yesterDay, it seemed she was asking Roa a whole lot of questions concerning what the EW would do. The EW seemed to be more of the focus, rather than anything else. Though I do feel a bit better about her toDay.

Morm: He does some odd things. I think innocent, but if turned out furry - I wouldn't be surprised.

Celuien: No idea.

Gwath: His actions can be questionable at times, but I think his intentions are there. Whether good or not, I'm leaning towards innocent.

McCaber: His voting pattern is highly questionable. Other than that, meh.


Granted, that my initial read-through of pages 20-24, I'd been clouded with the knowledge of knowing about the reveals and Cailin's wolfness.


X'd since Lalaith's #1174.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Roa: Furry. She makes good points, but she tends to contradict herself a bit, or atleast hold double standards. In the span of six posts yesterDay, she went from 'not convinced' to 'convinced'. She seemed to expect others to consider all of the possiblities, yet did not seem to do the same herself.

Oh, yeah. I've always had an odd feeling about her (since the beginning of this game).

edit: when you post here, you alwayd x. So why bother write who with? You'll only miss the next 10 posts.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Shasta: I would like to think him innocent, as he sometimes makes good points; though he does seem to have quite a number of joking/banter posts. Though again, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a furry creature whispering in his ear at night.

Lommy: Furry. She makes good points, however she did quite the waffling act yesterDay. It seemed she went from Rikae's side to the phantom/Diamond side.. slowly and reluctantly throughout the course of the Day. It gave me the feel of someone abandoning a fool-sinking ship, but trying to keep their dignity along with it.

Roa: Furry. She makes good points, but she tends to contradict herself a bit, or atleast hold double standards. In the span of six posts yesterDay, she went from 'not convinced' to 'convinced'. She seemed to expect others to consider all of the possiblities, yet did not seem to do the same herself.

Lalaith: Up until the later end of yesterDay, it seemed she was asking Roa a whole lot of questions concerning what the EW would do. The EW seemed to be more of the focus, rather than anything else. Though I do feel a bit better about her toDay.

Morm: He does some odd things. I think innocent, but if turned out furry - I wouldn't be surprised.

I hope I'm not stating the obvious too much.

These are the people Isabellkya was most suspicious of yesterDay, according to her suspicion-list. It is possible that the wolves saw something here they didn't like, and so silenced Isabellkya. It is equally possible that they intended to frame someone Isabellkya found suspicious by killing her.

I'll post again in the morning before I go to work; I haven't the slightest idea how I'll vote yet. The past couple of days have drained all my independent thoughts and suspicions, and made me dependent on the instructions of wizards and gifteds and things. I'm going to have to relearn the art of actually suspecting people.

[Rikae]

Then it would be the third time you had unintentionally killed my Seer.

Hardly, I knew Di was the seer, I scried for a new wolf. ToNight I would love to kill your new seer and force you to leave the village seerless or give me another night!

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by the phantom

It would be kind of boring to win this early. These villagers want to have some WW fun before the end!

You edited this - tsk tsk!

[Rikae]

Actually, I agree with you wholeheartedly on being tired of this game. It's ceased to be fun for me (actually, it ceased to be fun as soon as it started, since I knew perfectly well I would be among the first dreamt/scried no matter what I did). I would concede, or drop out, if I could. I believe you've pretty much seen to it that it hasn't been fun for anyone else toDay, either.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Actually, I agree with you wholeheartedly on being tired of this game. It's ceased to be fun for me (actually, it ceased to be fun as soon as it started, since I knew perfectly well I would be among the first dreamt/scried no matter what I did). I would concede, or drop out, if I could. I believe you've pretty much seen to it that it hasn't been fun for anyone else toDay, either.

I'm rather enjoying it so I feel sorry you aren't.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I knew perfectly well I would be among the first dreamt/scried no matter what I did

Are you saying you're not the EW now?

edit: x-ed with 2x morm