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Mithalwen · 07-11-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Hah. And by the way Mith I actually know this literary allusion... everyone has "son propre"...

errr you have lost me again .. me thinks you are over analysing ....
and while we are clearing the air, I don't see why people should justify themselves to you when as far as they know you could be a wolf. We aren't your class!!

I think sometimes you have to take a lead, if you suspect someone vote for them... all this I might vote for X if... seems manipulative and shady.

Nogrod · 07-11-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

We aren't your class!!

I'm not sure which one of us should thank God the louder for that...

Gah, sorry. I just couldn't resist that one...

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I think sometimes you have to take a lead, if you suspect someone vote for them... all this I might vote for X if... seems manipulative and shady.

If it just was that simple... but it's a small consolation to have voted proud and right while losing the game. And sure I basically vote for those I suspect, it's only that sometimes one needs to be content with a second or third choice (or even with just "rather him than her" -choice).

But okay. I'll quit rambling and try to do something more productive.

Mithalwen · 07-11-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm not sure which one of us should thank God the louder for that...

Gah, sorry. I just couldn't resist that one...

That would be me..couldn't resist that either. Trying to teach me philosophy was like teaching a cow to sing (doesn't work and annoys the cow).

Eönwë · 07-11-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Boro88

I agree with Nogrod (and why I'm wary about Shasta's analysis), is why would Durelin say she wants to look at Kitanna if she dreamed of Kitanna and found her innocent?

Have you not thought thought that maybe she's just trying to hide her identity, and not saying the identity of the true wolves for fear of being killed in the night? It might have been a tactic to keep the wolves off her scent (what?!). Maybe she dreamed about her but just didn't want to make it look like she had a radical change of mind, which always looks suspicious, unless there is a good reason behind it.

Aganzir · 07-11-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

Have you not thought thought that maybe she's just trying to hide her identity, and not saying the identity of the true wolves for fear of being killed in the night? It might have been a tactic to keep the wolves off her scent (what?!). Maybe she dreamed about her but just didn't want to make it look like she had a radical change of mind, which always looks suspicious, unless there is a good reason behind it.

It's possible, but the seer should remember that she can be killed also for other reasons than being suspected the seer, and therefore it should be more important that she left sufficient hints for the villagers to find after her passing.

Anyway, Eönwë, unless I'm completely mistaken this (edit: the previous, not the one I'm quoting next) was your first post today.

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My internet is dying, so I had better vote quickly.

++Nilpaurion Felagund

I will explain when I can...

Can you now?

Not that I particularly suspect you, I just want to hear your reasoning since you promised to explain it.

Mithalwen · 07-11-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

... but the seer should remember that she can be killed also for other reasons than being suspected the seer, and therefore it should be more important that she left sufficient hints for the villagers to find after her passing.

That is true - after all the wolves may have picked her because she had been relatively quiet, hadn't drawn suspicion, and didn't incriminate them.... this theory works for me ... but then I would say that wouldn't I?

Want to go home soon, so to try and cheer Nogrod up after my cruelty (though why I should spare the feelings of my would be executioner I don't know), I will probably vote for Shasta for self preservation.

Rikae · 07-11-2008, 02:31 PM

Shastanalysis:

Day 1:

Post #27:
IC. “Nerwen is mostly harmless.... some of us aren't harmless at all.”

Now, it's a minor thing, but somehow the latter addition, knowing Nerwen was a wolf, seems just slightly more likely to come from someone who knew this.

Day 2:

Post #142
IC, expresses confusion about ranger preventing kill and McCaber being modfired.

Now, again, maybe I'm just looking through wolf-colored glasses here, but what better way to distance himself from the night's events?

Post #144
“Things that caught my eye”. Doesn't see a wolf in the “Agan/Form/Nilp brawl”. Nilp is the “odd one out”, something “off” in THE Ka's attitude. Seems to be expressing mild suspicion towards a lot of people: Formendacil, Nilp, THE Ka, Sally, Boromir, Kath, Eonwe, Elf-Warrior, Eomer... the questioning of Eomer's suspicion of Mith looks fairly reasonable. Insinuates Eonwe lied about his vote (with little justification I can see, as I pointed out later). Finds Eomer and Eonwe most suspicious, Mith and Nerwen not suspicious, Nogrod “not so suspicious”.

As a wolf would he actually list Nerwen as “not suspicious”? I'm not sure...

Post #193
Translates chatspeak. Discusses possibility of wolf-on-wolf voting with Nilp and Kitanna. Says he will look to see who was conspicuous enough to attract the attention of the wolves and the ranger.

Feels helpful and rather innocent here.

#198
Vote count. Points out it's the second day in a row EW voted without explanation.

#200
“I decided to do something different, and leave the wolves and Ranger”

#205
Wouldn't mind seeing Eonwe gone, he and Eomer are most suspicious, EW “isn't being actively unhelpful” and might just be having issues.

Two posts ago he was pointing out EW's suspicious behavior... hmm.

#208
Kath won't be modfired if she doesn't want to vote toDay.

#209
Translates Nerwen.

#214
Votes for Eonwe

Day 3

#250
“Why Kath? She hasn't even gotten to play yet!”
Sounds innocent enough, actually. I've noticed Shasta is one of the first to post most days – maybe because of his time zone...? And it might make him seem unduly prominent or focused on the nightly events. *takes off wolf-colored glasses*

#253
Was just thinking he'd like to hear more from Durelin (after she posts) will go make himself useful.

#266
To Eomer: “Well aren't we perceptive, considering that EW made exactly 5 posts in this topic; two of them banter, two of them votes, and the last making a note of his gender. Clearly, pure evil right there.”

Interesting, considering his original responses to EW (“oh dear” and pointing out the two unexplained votes).

#269
Argues with Eomer over the “asking the village to lynch him” thing re: EW.

Not sure what to make of this. It seems he's deliberately misinterpreting, sort of.

#271
More argument with Eomer. Annoyed at kill and lynch because both were people who couldn't play because of RL issues.

This sounds like the Shasta I know from other games, and I can understand where he's coming from on this, I suppose. He could say the same thing as a wolf, though, too. Especially if – were he the new wolf, might he not have had a say in the nightly kill? Nah, probably unlikely.

#275
More arguing with Eomer. I would say that a wolf wouldn't be this passionate and attention-grabbing, if I hadn't done exactly that as a wolf myself. In fact, the lynching of innocents tends to look even more offensively stupid to wolves, so it's easy to take the “moral high ground” like this.

#277
To Eomer: “isn't it a common wolf tactic to redirect suspicion onto the person suspecting you? :P”

#280
Would suspect Eomer even more if Eomer were quiet. EW seemed to be having RL issues..,, etc, etc,'

Rereading this argument is giving me a headache. No comment.

#283
Another episode of the Shasta/Eomer show. *yawn* Wouldn't say “loads” of people suspected EW. What Eomer says he would do as a wolf doesn't matter, because there isn't proof.

#304
Why he's suspicious of Eomer and not me. Sold his car during night 3, so might as well stay home and post. Likes Mith's point on Nogrod. Banter.

The car thing makes me feel better about him.

#308
Answers Eomer

#319
Sarcastic remark about voting me for being unhelpful.

#323
Votes for Eomer

Conclusion:
He looks less wolfish than he did before. 6 out of 10 on the wolvery scale, I say.

Eönwë · 07-11-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Now, again, maybe I'm just looking through wolf-colored glasses here, but what better way to distance himself from the night's events?

[...]

*takes off wolf-colored glasses*

Are you also not just distancing yourself from wolfishness by saying that you are wearing "wolf-colored glasses" (coloured for me, obviously). Maybe those "wolf-colored glasses" of yours are actually how you see at night when you kill... (lol, a wolf in sunglasses

). Anyway, this seems slightly suspicious to me, using a tactic you criticise yourself.

Or maybe I'm just looking at this through wolf-coloured glasses.

Aganzir · 07-11-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

Are you also not just distancing yourself from wolfishness by saying that you are wearing "wolf-colored glasses"

When I'm a wolf, I often wear wolf-coloured glasses, too.

Though I do it also when I'm innocent and am making a case against someone I suspect heavily.

Aganzir · 07-11-2008, 02:42 PM

If Shasta has been a wolf from the beginning, I volunteer to be cooked and promise to bring also salt and pepper with me.

I doubt he is a wolf even now. He looks innocent, and the most suspicious thing I could see was the "why wasn't Eomer killed" thing I have talked about.

No one has seemingly considered that the wolves left Eomer alive because in addition to not being sure if he was hunting one of them, then they could also frame innocent Shasta?

I'd rather not vote him today.

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

There are some I would much rather have voted.

Who be those?

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

I miss him already.

I don't. It was very nasty of him to be so suspicious.

edit: xed with Eönwë

Eönwë · 07-11-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

It was very nasty of him to be so suspicious.

That's true, but it's always sad to see WW threads quieten down when loud innocents are gone.

Eönwë · 07-11-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Not that I particularly suspect you, I just want to hear your reasoning since you promised to explain it.

You know what?
I really don't know why I voted Nilp. Come to think of it, it was more a feeling. There are some I would much rather have voted.

I miss him already.

i just didn't want to throw my vote away, and at the time I posted, whoever I voted for would not be affected. If I would have been there later I would have voted Mith, probably. Shasta and Eomer also seen suspicious, but I enjoy the Shasta and Eomer show. I just hope they as are innocent as they are entertaining.

07-11-2008, 02:31 PM	#7
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Shastanalysis: Day 1: Post #27: IC. “Nerwen is mostly harmless.... some of us aren't harmless at all.” Now, it's a minor thing, but somehow the latter addition, knowing Nerwen was a wolf, seems just slightly more likely to come from someone who knew this. Day 2: Post #142 IC, expresses confusion about ranger preventing kill and McCaber being modfired. Now, again, maybe I'm just looking through wolf-colored glasses here, but what better way to distance himself from the night's events? Post #144 “Things that caught my eye”. Doesn't see a wolf in the “Agan/Form/Nilp brawl”. Nilp is the “odd one out”, something “off” in THE Ka's attitude. Seems to be expressing mild suspicion towards a lot of people: Formendacil, Nilp, THE Ka, Sally, Boromir, Kath, Eonwe, Elf-Warrior, Eomer... the questioning of Eomer's suspicion of Mith looks fairly reasonable. Insinuates Eonwe lied about his vote (with little justification I can see, as I pointed out later). Finds Eomer and Eonwe most suspicious, Mith and Nerwen not suspicious, Nogrod “not so suspicious”. As a wolf would he actually list Nerwen as “not suspicious”? I'm not sure... Post #193 Translates chatspeak. Discusses possibility of wolf-on-wolf voting with Nilp and Kitanna. Says he will look to see who was conspicuous enough to attract the attention of the wolves and the ranger. Feels helpful and rather innocent here. #198 Vote count. Points out it's the second day in a row EW voted without explanation. #200 “I decided to do something different, and leave the wolves and Ranger” #205 Wouldn't mind seeing Eonwe gone, he and Eomer are most suspicious, EW “isn't being actively unhelpful” and might just be having issues. Two posts ago he was pointing out EW's suspicious behavior... hmm. #208 Kath won't be modfired if she doesn't want to vote toDay. #209 Translates Nerwen. #214 Votes for Eonwe Day 3 #250 “Why Kath? She hasn't even gotten to play yet!” Sounds innocent enough, actually. I've noticed Shasta is one of the first to post most days – maybe because of his time zone...? And it might make him seem unduly prominent or focused on the nightly events. takes off wolf-colored glasses #253 Was just thinking he'd like to hear more from Durelin (after she posts) will go make himself useful. #266 To Eomer: “Well aren't we perceptive, considering that EW made exactly 5 posts in this topic; two of them banter, two of them votes, and the last making a note of his gender. Clearly, pure evil right there.” Interesting, considering his original responses to EW (“oh dear” and pointing out the two unexplained votes). #269 Argues with Eomer over the “asking the village to lynch him” thing re: EW. Not sure what to make of this. It seems he's deliberately misinterpreting, sort of. #271 More argument with Eomer. Annoyed at kill and lynch because both were people who couldn't play because of RL issues. This sounds like the Shasta I know from other games, and I can understand where he's coming from on this, I suppose. He could say the same thing as a wolf, though, too. Especially if – were he the new wolf, might he not have had a say in the nightly kill? Nah, probably unlikely. #275 More arguing with Eomer. I would say that a wolf wouldn't be this passionate and attention-grabbing, if I hadn't done exactly that as a wolf myself. In fact, the lynching of innocents tends to look even more offensively stupid to wolves, so it's easy to take the “moral high ground” like this. #277 To Eomer: “isn't it a common wolf tactic to redirect suspicion onto the person suspecting you? :P” #280 Would suspect Eomer even more if Eomer were quiet. EW seemed to be having RL issues..,, etc, etc,' Rereading this argument is giving me a headache. No comment. #283 Another episode of the Shasta/Eomer show. yawn Wouldn't say “loads” of people suspected EW. What Eomer says he would do as a wolf doesn't matter, because there isn't proof. #304 Why he's suspicious of Eomer and not me. Sold his car during night 3, so might as well stay home and post. Likes Mith's point on Nogrod. Banter. The car thing makes me feel better about him. #308 Answers Eomer #319 Sarcastic remark about voting me for being unhelpful. #323 Votes for Eomer Conclusion: He looks less wolfish than he did before. 6 out of 10 on the wolvery scale, I say. Last edited by Rikae; 07-11-2008 at 02:33 PM. Reason: Fixing funky formatting.