Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[Nerwen]

Oh yes, I must have skimmed past this:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Izzy, McCaber, and sally make it on Rikae's wolf list. Rikae votes sally, sally ends up being a wolf. Did either Izzy or McCaber believe Rikae was then the seer?

I don't know if there's enough evidence to drum up against McCaber, but I have to go soon and I got a feeling either him or Izzy is the last wolf. Taking into account I don't like McCaber certainty (or his entire post 451)

Seems a bit hasty to go after the 5 remaining "suspicious people," obviously you're off that list McCaber? I think it is McCaber. And this is so rough, because now is as good of a chance as any to finally get Lal out of the picture....

++McCaber

I read your analysis of McCaber, and I just thought it was an honest attempt to cover all bases, but now I see you actually voted him... on awfully thin grounds.

This thing about the wolves thinking Rikae was the Seer, because she mentioned Izzy, McCaber and Sally as guilty– with that premise that Izzy or McCaber is the last wolf– look, at least half the village has mentioned one of the three as a possible wolf at some point.

Had Rikae been the Seer, she couldn't have dreamed both wolves, or she would have told us, wouldn't she? The wolves would know this.

EDIT: X'd since my last post.

[Nogrod]

Izzy!

Check out my #486 and Mac's following one before voting and consider them. You could also look at Nerwen's last one...

If Nerwen is innocent we need her and Nilp can check her the next Night.

We've had enough hasty votes in this game even if everything has turned out well so far. Some mighty providence in the air?

[Nogrod]

To me it would be then either Fëa or Lal. If I'd have to vote right now I would go for Fëa as Lal's style of play would be a bit risky.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Had Rikae been the Seer, she couldn't have dreamed both wolves, or she would have told us, wouldn't she? The wolves would know this.

Exactly. Of course, you could argue if McCaber is a wolf and suspected Rikae to have her knowledge of Sally via a dream, he would have known for sure that he'd be next. But then again, he would have asked himself why she hadn't dreamt of him already (she seriously went after him on Day2, after Sally on Day3) and concluded that Rikae was just smart/lucky. He would have avoided killing her (and hoped she would just find somebody else to go after) to not frame himself.

[Isabellkya]

Well, I suppose I'll not vote for Nerwen and leave her in Nilp's hands.

Boro seems a throw a way vote to me, same for Lal since they are both so darn Cobblery.

Which leaves me with..

++Fea

X'ed since 494

[Macalaure]

Where am I?

Nerwen I suspect but won't vote for the reasons Nogrod gave above.
Fea I highly doubt is the wolf because of her (presumably) fake reveal. Cobbler maybe.
Boro is unlikely to be a wolf - again, possible cobbler.
Nilp is the seer (unless he's the cobbler).
Nogrod is proven innocent (").
McCaber I don't suspect.
Shasta is proven innocent (").
Mith might be a wolf, but I'd like to take a closer look tomorrow.
Izzy I'm not sure about. I'd like to take a closer look at her, too, before I'd want to vote for her.
Lal I have a hard time imagining as a wolf. Another possible cobbler.

May I abstain?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Don't vote for me! I might be irritating and unpredictable, but I'm ordinary (again. tragic. i pined when i learned it...).

++LALWENDE

Because enough other people suspect her that I'm willing to test the theory even though I'd prefer Boro go. But if Nilp dreams of Boro tonight and the Ranger (sorry to go against your orders, Nilp) protects Nilp...

[Nerwen]

The votes so far.

Nilp --> Lalwendë
Lal --> Boro
Boro --> McCaber
Shasta --> Nerwen
Isabellkya --> Fea.

A wide field.

EDIT: X'd since Isabellkya's vote. I see we've all been busy...

[Macalaure]

Looking at the current votes, I'm going to decide between Boro and Lal.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Looking at the current votes, I'm going to decide between Boro and Lal.

Then I guess I will too... though Fea's certainly a puzzle...

EDIT: X'd since Mac at #504.

[Boromir88]

To narrow the score

++Boro

Probably not a wolf, but I want to get the cobbler out of the way.

Funny how quick you change your thoughts that I'm innocent, once you come under a little pressure. Thought you were going to have an easy slide the rest of the way?

[McCaber]

If we want to give one wolf the power, this is exactly how to vote.

To narrow the score

++Boro

Probably not a wolf, but I want to get the cobbler out of the way.

[Nogrod]

Lalwendë has 2, Fëa 1 vote.

I'm somehow thinking Lal might be it as she could try to hide behind the monomaniac-stance.

I'm somehow thinking Fëa might be it as she could just hang around like that as a wolf - but I must say her last post looked a bit better - even if I know her to be very much cabable of pulling one like that if in need.

*Mith's words ringing in the back of my mind...*
(And looking at Fëa to suddenly wake up from her sleep at the crucial moment...)

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm somehow thinking Lal might be it as she could try to hide behind the monomaniac-stance.

I'm not hiding. I'm right. No funny feelings in my water. Just hard evidence.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

(And looking at Fëa to suddenly wake up from her sleep at the crucial moment...)

I've been clear all along: I wanted Boromir lynched from DAY 1. I temper my obsessions based on litmus tests. Everybody else thought for so long that Lal is bad, so I'm willing to find out.

Besides, accusing me now is just lazy. It's a total copout. EVERYBODY knows I'm slightly demented. That's not news.

Stick with the people we've been worried about. There's isn't time today to add more confusion to the mix.

[Mithalwen]

Nerwen - Creepiest
Feanor of the Peredhil - Tweedledum
Boromir88 - Tweedledee
Nilpaurion Felagund - Seer soi-disant. No reason to doubt.
Nogrod - Seer named ordo
McCaber - Creepy but ...
Shastanis Althreduin - Seer named Ordo
Mithalwen - Self named Ordo
Isabellkya - can't writer her off quite despite that vote.
Lalwendë - Cobbler - de facto or actual
Macalaure - Perhaps ought to check my assumption of innocence to prevent self looking silly.....

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Macalaure - Perhaps ought to check my assumption of innocence to prevent self looking silly.....

*admits self being confused to prevent self looking silly*

[Nerwen]

Okay, then. If Nogrod's right, Boro is at most a cobbler, whereas

++Lalwendë

has at least a chance of being furry.

EDIT: X'd since myself at 508.

[Mithalwen]

++ Mc Caber

Only of my creepies likely to go and prefer to get a woluf than cobbler if possible.

[Nogrod]

Nilp -> Lalwendë
Lal -> Boro
Boro -> McCaber
Shasta -> Nerwen
Izzy -> Fëa
Fëa -> Lal2

X'd with at least one tally & others...

[Nogrod]

Nilp -> Lalwendë
Lal -> Boro
Boro -> McCaber
Shasta -> Nerwen
Izzy -> Fëa
Fëa -> Lal2
McCaber -> Boro2

Let's not lynch an innocent - even if possibly a cobbler - if we can go for a wolf...

I think Fëa might be the best choice (how come she suddenly emerged in the time of trouble for herself...)

[Boromir88]

Let's not lynch an innocent - even if possibly a cobbler - if we can go for a wolf...~Nogrod

If you don't want to go with my feelings on McCaber today so be it. But get the cobbler out of the way, and I'm asking you trust my instinct that it's Lal.

If I'm wrong, I'll vow one day of silence.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

If you don't want to go with my feelings on McCaber today so be it. But get the cobbler out of the way, and I'm asking you trust my instinct that it's Lal.

If I'm wrong, I'll vow one day of silence.

I'll trust you for now but maybe I am following like a sheep whose wool has been pulled over its eyes...

[Durelin]

Deadline.

Lalwendë has been lynched. She was the Cobbler!

[Durelin]

Night 5 has ended.

Nilpaurion Felagund has been killed. He was the Seer!

Day 5 begins!


~The Dead~

Leonard Nimoy (Half-Vulcan) ~ illogically murdered by the wolves
CaptainofDespair (Wererat) ~ Crushed on Day 1 to reveal his Dark Side
Day One (Evil Wizard) ~ Brought down alongside the might of Cluny the Scourge
Kath (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Tortured and ripped apart by the wolves on Night 2
Gwathagor (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Assassinated by con-goers on Day 2.
Brinniel (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Made really dead on Night 3.
satansaloser2005 (Werewolf) ~ Day 3
Rikae (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Night 4
Lalwendë (Cobbler) ~ Day 4
Nilpaurion Felagund (Seer) ~ Night 5


~The Living~

Nerwen - Jedi Master, specializing in memorabilia collecting and movie quoting
Feanor of the Peredhil - Rabid Cosmo fan and TOS-TNG Trekkie with opinions
Boromir88 - Fireworks Pyro and Sean Bean's #1 fan
Nogrod - "Spore" anticipator who wants to play Eru
McCaber - Old School RPer
Shastanis Althreduin - Rabid Hermione Fan-wizard
Mithalwen - Confused hardcore Tolkienista who thought she was going to Oxonmoot
Isabellkya - Rabid fan of Vampire Princess Miyu
Macalaure - "Civilization" fan with Machiavellian tendencies

[Boromir88]

Well that's kind of shocking.

I appreciated it when Boro took a look at him, but voting him based on that is over the top.~Mac

Who do you think I am Mac? I knew it was a thow-away vote, and I knew McCaber was in no way going to get lynched. This is a game about "evidence," but evidence can be manipulated. So, like Fea said this is a game also about reactions as much as anything else, and reactions can be twisted/taken the wrong way. Hence why I use a healthy dose of both. I knew McCaber wouldn't be lynched, and Nogrod said the exact reasons why, as much as I could argue McCaber looks guilty, the exact opposite argument could be made. So, why did I throw away my vote? To cause a stir and host of reactions of course.

Don't really need to say this, because Nogrod is innocent, but he reacted exactly as I expected:

It really seems looking back at the things that he has been a bit too right - and I can see if you will be upset by this claim if you happen to be an innocent who just got it so right this time McCaber! But that's really a performance a bit too good to be true!

Anyway... I'm not sure I'd wish to lynch him toDay. I mean even if the case looks nice there are probably stronger reasons not to believe it (would McCaber want to be left alone against 10 villagers with seer & ranger around?). But it is good the points on McCaber were made for if he is indeed the wolf he can't now ride with the free ticket of extra-credibility anymore in the end did things go that far...

For whatever it's worth Mac, you reacted as I expected. For you, I was watching whether you would latch on to my suspicions, but you didnt. Both you and Nerwen raised reasonable questions to consider and thus decided I was a cobbler or some kind of crazy man.

Fea's reaction was nothing surprising. She still has an unquenchable obsession to find out my role (by lynching me), so she can be sure. I don't get it, she always thinks the worst of me, and seems to take too much joy into thinking I'm a bold-faced liar who is pulling off the most unbelievable bluff imaginable.

Mith did follow on with my vote, but that also isn't suprising, since the argument I used was straight from Mith's motto as a wolf - "Don't look like you're so certain about everything."

I don't think I heard anything out of Izzy about it, just that she thinks McCaber's probably innocent. Were you trying to stay out of it Izzy, or did you just think I'm an insane whack-job and thus didn't pay heed to it?

And as I said I don't like McCaber's retaliation vote.

Here is where I can explain myself a little better. It really isn't about what Rikae said, who she voted for at all, well it is but that's not the crux of the argument. That was kind of my last minute ramblings as I was in a hurry to leave, from my lunch break. I noticed Rikae voted for McCaber on Day 2, and Sally on Day 3, after Sally is lynched Rikae ends up dead. Thus I saw an interesting connection that perhaps the wolves believed Rikae was the seer, and if McCaber was already under he suspicions (though Rikae wasn't sure), and McCaber's a wolf, just like they did with Brinn...maybe he wanted to get to Rikae before she found out for sure.

But, that's not the crux of my argument, the real pie to it all is McCaber's post 451 yesterday. Where he tries to force the fact that both him and Mac are proven innocents finally (that is not true):

So are we finally clear that Mac and Iare innocent? Good.

And his hastiness to turn towards the 5 "suspicious" people and kill them...after all that should be easy right? Because their voting record obviously isn't as clean as McCaber's:

And I figure that between the mob killings and the seer dreams we can kill/exonerate the five (or so) SPs (suspicious persons) remaining without much difficulty. I hope it doesn't come to that, though.

It was then when I turned back to look at just how squeaky clean his record has been. Voting for wolves all 3 days, and his feelings that Gwath and Nogrod were innocent (both true). His feeling that I was innocent, but when I turned up the pressure I suddenly became the cobbler (you were right the former there McCaber).

Call it luck, but I don't think anyone's record is that spotless unless they know too much information. I mean you've nabbed two wolves Mac, that is very good, but you have been wrong about me, Brin, and others in this game. I was right on Lal, but I was horribly wrong about CoD. I'm sorry McCaber's been a little too good to be lucky.

[Nogrod]

I mean I really don't understand your vote McCaber... I must agree with Boro here.

But if we leave Nerwen for toNight, then what say you? I suggest Fëa but it would require a few votes...

X'd with Boro and Nerwen...

[Macalaure]

It just occurred to me that Sally might have just been confused when she voted Boro on Day1 and he might still be a wolf...

Too little time to consider that now, and the votes are going elsewhere anyway:

++Lalwende

[Nogrod]

So Fëa needs to be checked later then... but if I'm not here toMorrow remember to check her sudden appearance toDay... and McCaber's vote, and Nilp check Nerwen...

++ Lalwendë

No reason to try others...