Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

You call this somewhat suspicious Mac? I'd call it somewhat unsuspicious... Why would a wolf make one of her mates to top her other mate? Wouldn't there be thousands of possibilities other than that - and more profitable to the wolves even if one weren't too much going to save the one in trouble (eg. CoD)?

Umm, but if Fea is a wolf then she voted the innocent Boromir and gave him the lead over CoD...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Umm, but if Fea is a wolf then she voted the innocent Boromir and gave him the lead over CoD...

Oops... Had Nilp not told you I was innocent you would have probably lynched me for that...

I was still in the mindset of last Day's speculation about Sally & Boro and was just wishing to say something while my mind was away... and is still.

I'll post next time only after I'm really in with this.

Soo bad...

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Oops... Had Nilp not told you I was innocent you would have probably lynched me for that...

Not really, that was just a mistake. Don't worry.

[Isabellkya]

I am going to finish looking at Mith since I didn't get a chance to, and I don't want to leave it undone.
As well as Nerwen and Fea.

Since Lal died as the Cobbler, I suppose that puts Boro in a bit of better light. Leaving him either innocent or wolf. Though, Sally's vote for him on Day 1 is kind of bugging me.

[Nogrod]

I got with Fëa and Nerwen to the end of the Day3 but it's getting too late for me to continue as I'd wish to say a few words about what I found before going to sleep.


Fëa:

D1
Banter, having fun, Day1 is useless, flirting with the dark side like:

“And will therefore vote before work tomorrow afternoon, based entirely on whim (or possibly dice rolling) unless somebody besides me says "I'm a wolf."”

Or:

“And really, Boro, do you think I'm going to admit I'm a wolf this early in the game, even if I am one?”

She plays a kind of a meta-game placing herself above the actual game all the time, which is something that is easy to hold constantly and not blood your hands in anywhere… Other than that she basically only takes contact with Boro (she answers a few questions or comments some points in passing but other than that, no) and speaks of out-of-the-game issues.

Finally votes for Boro for:

“Because I have enough faith in his ability to figure out why, and because there's always a really great chance that I'm right”

Hangs around after her vote given one hour before the DL (gives the correct time for the DL about an half an hour before it) but does not contribute anything else.

D2
Opens the Day with a red alert post:

So I get out of classes yesterday, and I'm thinking "Wow, I love art history! I'm barely aware I'm even taking it." And I'm thinking "Wow, I love aesthetics. It's so funny, having class with smart alecky boys." And I'm reading the thread and I'm eating lunch and I'm thinking "Wait, who has the most votes? What's happening?" And I take a slightly closer look and think "Why did they kill Cap? ZOMG he's a wolf?"

So now I'm thinking I need to reread the thread and figure out how people saw his behavior and was like "Wolf" when I really hadn't thought twice about him.

Is annoyed by Shasta asking her a question. Calls him a wolf.

Wavers between Shasta and Boro after a rant on apologies, votes Boro;

“(who could have seen that coming?)”

D3
Continues the meta-game talking only general principles. Though says:

“Shasta and Boro, congrats for passing my unofficial test for the day. Tomorrow, who knows. Today, you're off my hitlist.

I could see a Mithwolf in this game...”

Votes Mith an hour before the DL in a hurry with "sorry darling I love you but…" Says this of others:

“Temporarily considered a negligible threat: Nilp, Nogrod, Mac, Shasta

Worrisome: Rikae, Nerwen, Boro, Mith, Lal

I'm barely aware they're playing: Sally, McCaber, Izzy, Fea “

Makes her interesting post #367

“I miss the phantom right now. He'd get a kick out of what I'm about to do. I wonder if anyone else will understand...

Here are my rules:

1) For the love of all things holy, will the real seer PLEASE not refute me?

2) Don't listen to a word I say.

Here's my action:

Village, I am the seer.”

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Nerwen:

D1
#43 Very much a wolf’s first post. All those suspected were / are innocents (including one cobbler) and all was done in character style.

Never appears back again on Day1 but had an baby possum inside her house brought by her cat or something…

D2
Quotes people on Shasta. The result:

“As others have said, Sally is a little odd... she's one of the first to raise suspicion of CaptainofDespair, but then plays it down the tighter the noose gets around his neck. However, it's not as if there was a particularly good case against him.”

Also questions Boro’s credentials there. Concentrates on Lal and insists that if there were a WoW on Day1 it would have been McCaber or Mith, questions Boro’s theory about Brinnwolf looking at Kath as a seer.

Thinks that Gwath looks “disingenuous” but me and Mith look even worse for our suspicions on him. Questions Lal a bit more.

Clearly is around at the last hour but only corrects Nilp’s quote twenty minutes before the DL + votes Boro “running out of time”.

D3
Defends her vote on Boro after Boro asked about it with a clip of her own post. Wants to hear from Gwath voters – me, Mith, Nilp & Mac in a questioning post. Lightly remembers old games. Questions others for an opinion on Lal, says Mac is too good to be true and the seer should check him. Points out to Boro’s consistency in voting Lal…

Says she could have voted for the “de facto cobbler” Lal but decides to go for Boro twenty minutes before DL. Notifies Fëa’s reveal two times but has nothing to say to it. Says Nilp would be a cobbler candidate #4 in the end

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Other than that she basically only takes contact with Boro

If I try to pay attention to too many people or things at once, I get really distracted and confused. I'm the poster child for misdiagnosed ADD. I therefore concentrate on and obsess over one person at a time until I'm satisfied. In this case, I latched onto Boro in an unhealthy manner, and can't multitask properly because I'm still too fixated. Like the way that Bella and Edward are obsessed with each other. I can't even help it.

Anyway...

[Nogrod]

I'm continuing to be very uneasy with Nerwen.

The D1 post is just too nicely throwing the non-wolves into the fray.

If she's a wolf the starter of Day2 is a classic: “As others have said, Sally is a little odd... she's one of the first to raise suspicion of CaptainofDespair, but then plays it down the tighter the noose gets around his neck. However, it's not as if there was a particularly good case against him.”

Makes some wolvish moves, like saying Gwath (ordo) is suspicious but even more so are myself (ordo) and Mith (I'd presume ordo), has only a few people actually suspected - as not to gain too much retaliatory votes, hangs around the deadline (as she corrects a quote an half an hour earlier) but votes at the last minute - without contributing anything to the discussion within the last hour. A satisfied wolf that is only observing the death of an ordo?

Looks even more suspicious on Day3. Quick to defend her vote on Boro, tries to move the attention to Gwath-voters (two known innocents and two probable ones).

Bringing Fëa's "revealment" up twice with "what????!!!!" looks a bit sinister as well. Like a frustrated wolf looking at her mate go and trying to get attention to that one without committing herself too much into defending her mate? If I were a wolf there I would have loved to bring about a last minute wagon on Fëa but one shouldn't be too open with it so as a wise player Nerwen didn't press it too far? Was probably already thinking Lal was the cobbler and tried to eat and save the cake (the best wolf-tactics so far ) by suspecting her of cobblery but still voting Boro - which was a bad idea were she an ordo or a wolf as that was a complete throw-away even if she tried lightly to change the agenda later on.

An innocent would mind one's votes a bit more...


Fëa is an enigma. Some things scream a wolf, some others make me think of her an ordo just toying with the game as she has no role and thence is not too enthusiastic about it.


Right now I'd say Nerwen is the last wolf but I'm wishing to hear other points on it - especially those of Nerwen herself.

EDIT: X'd with Fëa... hmmm...?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm continuing to be very uneasy with Nerwen.

Nogrod, I find your lack of faith disturbing....

Answering your case:

I qualified my points about Sally because– well, it was true that there hadn't been a real case against CoD.

And Fea– yes, I expressed bewilderment at the way she was acting. Is that strange?

As for the voting–

I have been extremely busy around the deadline the last few Days and haven't been able to participate as much as I'd like.

My "throwaway" vote on Day 2 was because I was in such a hurry– plus I crossed with others.

People keep calling my Day 3 vote a throwaway, but I'm not sure why. It wasn't. Other people had yet to vote, and Mac was talking about lynching Boro too. I thought at that stage that Lal was more likely cobbler than wolf, Boro more likely wolf than cobbler. Therefore I voted him. The next day the situation was reversed, so I voted Lal.

Finally, as for these 20-20 hindsight points you make about me having suspected innocents... um... so have you, Nogrod– just ask Gwa– oh, wait, he's dead.

I'm serious... you now have the luxury of being a known innocent, but imagine how some of your moves this game would look if you weren't. I mean, why do you think Nilp dreamed you?

EDIT: fixed bolding.

[Boromir88]

I'm serious... you now have the luxury of being a known innocent, but imagine how some of your moves this game would look if you weren't. I mean, why do you think Nilp dreamed you?~Nerwen

That is exactly my point. Being "wrong" doesn't automatically make one a wolf, it can actually make one look innocent. Mac's been right about two wolves, but he's also been wrong on several people, and his reactions today (as well as yesterday) make him look even more innocent:

I look at it and I see a clear record. As long as I see better options, I think it's madness to go for somebody with a clear record!

Don't take this as an attempt to butter up, but I have absolutely no reasons to vote for Nogrod, Shasta, Mac, Mith, or Fea today. That leaves Izzy, Nerwen, and McCaber.

Now, being wrong alone doesn't make one necessarily a wolf, but the placement of your vote and who you attempt to save (if you were trying to save anyone at all) very well could. You do bring up a good point, and that is cross-posting, I think if you (Mac and Nogrod) are going to argue the placement of Nerwen's vote is suspicious, we have to take any sort of cross-voting into account. Which, I will go back and take a look at now.