Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gwathagor · 10-31-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Frankly, Gollum is irritating me.

Is that the only reason you voted him?

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Is that the only reason you voted him?

Nope, because he's been following other people's suspicions too much and being completely unhelpful, his only interest seems to be self preservation, and because he doesn't like rock music*.

*Yes, that last one was a joke. So there.

EDIT: X'd with Gwath. One reason that comes to mind is that a lot of people may find the same person supicious because that person is suspicious... :P

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Agan

What exactly are those reasons?

It'll all come out in the wash.

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

I wasn't saying that in fact. But you saw it wiser to not stir too much suspicion, which is wise. If you're a wolf or a lover that is.

You were still suggesting I would. I've been around long enough to know Agan is a formidible player and one who will retaliate. Good or evil, why would I go after her in the first place if I didn't think there was a case (except, of course, to judge her by her reaction)?

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Originally Posted by Nog

And possibly even four (as that would make sense in regards to the original setting).

I'm not buying this theory (in part because the narration hasn't suggested it at all, and in part because I just don't see 8 suspicious people in this village.)
Fact is, since I think there are relatively few baddies among us, I'm kind of working under a mindset of weeding out those I don't want to see win with a submarine or clueless game and letting the seer do his/her work for the time being... especially since the vocal players who initially caught my eye are either dead or looking more innocent now.

EDIT: X'd with Fea, Gwath and Agan

Feanor of the Peredhil · 10-31-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm kind of working under a mindset of weeding out those I don't want to see win with a submarine or clueless game and letting the seer do his/her work for the time being... especially since the vocal players who initially caught my eye are either dead or looking more innocent now.

Weirdly, I support this. I'd hate to lose to somebody who didn't have to do anything to earn the victory. Maybe it's just a pride thing.

Nogrod · 10-31-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I'd hate to lose to somebody who didn't have to do anything to earn the victory. Maybe it's just a pride thing.

Supported 100%! The game needs to be played. Just sneaking around is not playing but destroying the game for those who'd actually wish to play as they introduce the totally random element into the game.

Sadly this is my last Day so I hope you understand I will also bother you who actually play. This is my last chance at this game game so I will have to try all I have time and energy to - and it includes suspecting you my dear fellow loudmouths...

Feanor of the Peredhil · 10-31-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sadly this is my last Day so I hope you understand I will also bother you who actually play. This is my last chance at this game game so I will have to try all I have time and energy to - and it includes suspecting you my dear fellow loudmouths...

The irony would be, of course, if the Lovers didn't actually pick you tonight as an effort to set you up.

Nogrod · 10-31-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

The irony would be, of course, if the Lovers didn't actually pick you tonight as an effort to set you up.

Haha! I'd love that kind of irony!!!

Set me up guys! Set me up! That's your best choice, believe me!

Nogrod · 10-31-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

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And possibly even four [pairs of lovers] (as that would make sense in regards to the original setting).

I'm not buying this theory (in part because the narration hasn't suggested it at all, and in part because I just don't see 8 suspicious people in this village.)

That would be exactly the reaction of a baddie in here. Let's just lull us to the false security there are only two pairs of lovers - both killed when one is killed - in a village of twenty! Do you really believe we will believe that?

We must have had a graver starting point and the posssibility of different teams getting their kills through each Night is a possibility... or whatever it is. But Di would not have started a game of twenty people with only two tied-together pairs of lovers against a village of 16 with at least a ranger to protect them...

And you do not see eight suspicious people in the village? I see you all suspicious for various reasons! As an innocent I do not know the status of you others and I can't help thinking all of you suspicious. And even if I think Groin innocentish I'm not sure or easy with that thought either...

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Originally Posted by Brinn

These attacks towards Gollum bother me. Some of what Gollum says is flawed, but they seem more like newbie mistakes. It just feels to me that he's an easy lynch target- a scapegoat. I'm uncomfortable voting for any easy lynch targets because most often they turn out innocent.

I find Rikae's vote for Gollum and particularly how she's become fiery and put herself in a defensive mode eyebrow raising. Last time I recall her acting in this way, she was evil.

Exactly my thoughts!

I know I'm being afterwise in this, but that was exactly my thoughs on you guys lynching Eönwë as well. Too easy.

If one of you McCaber, Gollum or Shasta is innocent you should be ashamed of your actions. Not that you voted wrong - all of us do it - but because you went for the easy target trying to lay low...

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Originally Posted by Rikae

I suggest you vote me, than. You, Nog and Cabbie's "random" vote will tie me with Gollum, and, frankly, this game doesn't need me if it's as unbalanced as I think, and I'm more interested in proving you, Nogrod, etc. wrong at this poitn than in surviving where I'm no use anyway.

Hadn't you used that kind of tactics of appealing to our integrity looking like a hurt individual already before in this game of WW earlier I would take you for real and stand back thinking "this lady is honest". Sadly you have already used that card while being a baddie - and you fooled most of the people then - so I will not take any of that kind of appeal from you (sorry about the meta-talk).

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 06:38 PM

One thing you can't help but see living in the US, is that there are brands of religious fanaticism where a person becomes incapable of hearing or seeing anything but their own dogma.

I learned long ago not to waste my time talking to fanatics.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 10-31-2008, 06:40 PM

Good heavens, you two, has this become a feud?

Macalaure · 10-31-2008, 06:51 PM

Alright, made it back in time. Just one post with a couple of comments until I'm off to bed.

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Mac (24)
His rally against me yesterDay was just strange and the way he sticked to it was downright ridiculous. I'm aware of the possibility that there might be personal feelings involved as I know I'm innocent and he jumped on me on nothing. His insistence to speak it out aloud that he still suspects me toDay haven't lessened my suspicions as he is an experienced enough a player to see what the Nightly actions meant. Also the whole interaction between him and Rikae worries me.

Oh dear... I don't even know where to start with this, it's that ridiculous.

1. Stop harping on "personal feelings" and such. I know I suspect you frequently, and I am trying not to, but that has nothing to do with anything being personal. I just always find something suspicious about you, I honestly can't help it.

2. I did not jump on you on nothing. I made one meager point against you, like I made several against others as well, and you responded with an illogical overreaction. That was what I jumped on then, and I don't see anything wrong about it.

3. Why shouldn't I mention that I still suspect you? I didn't waste my time making more points against you. If you were proven innocent I would have excluded you from my analysis of Kitanna, but you aren't. You were in it, if just for completeness' sake.

4. The nightly actions mean that you're (no matter if innocent or not) likely dead tonight, so it makes no sense to waste time on points against you. I did not do that more than it was necessary.

Nogrod, either you are evil (though that needn't bother the village anymore now), or you are losing your objectivity regarding me. If you're innocent, I can understand why you're annoyed at me, but please, take a step back and see reality again.

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Mac, what are your reasons to think I'm innocent?

While I try to make logical cases on why I think somebody's guilty, I give out the label "innocent" almost exclusively on feeling. Your behaviour just strikes me as very innocent, that's all.

Dear me! Rikae, Nogrod, relax! This is just a game.

satansaloser2005 · 10-31-2008, 06:55 PM

Posting during an extremely short break, just to say....

What the heck? Nog and Rikae are....just....insane. Well, I suppose Rikae more than Noggie (from my extremely quick breezethrough, so I may have missed something) but still. Wow.

Crap. A group's coming through. Gotta go.

Aganzir · 10-31-2008, 04:42 PM

I'm too tired to stay up any longer so I'll vote now.

++ GOLLUM

I would still be interested to hear his comments on my suspicions, but I'm not going to put off voting him yet another day just because he won't respond to me.

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Originally Posted by Gwath

What? How could there be benefits in a bandwagon?

Firstly, you often need a bandwagon in order to lynch someone.

Secondly, even if there's been a bandwagon, it's relatively easy to see who just jumped in without actual suspicions for the person in question, maybe so as to save someone else from the gallows.

edit: xed with Rikae, Fea & Gwath.

10-31-2008, 06:40 PM	#10
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Good heavens, you two, has this become a feud? __________________ peace

10-31-2008, 06:55 PM	#12
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Posting during an extremely short break, just to say.... What the heck? Nog and Rikae are....just....insane. Well, I suppose Rikae more than Noggie (from my extremely quick breezethrough, so I may have missed something) but still. Wow. Crap. A group's coming through. Gotta go. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

10-31-2008, 06:38 PM	#9
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	One thing you can't help but see living in the US, is that there are brands of religious fanaticism where a person becomes incapable of hearing or seeing anything but their own dogma. I learned long ago not to waste my time talking to fanatics.