Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Nogrod]

This is getting interesting!

And just for starters I will have to say I share Brinn's uneasiness with Fea's revelation of her role which kind of makes her immune to any kind of attack whatsoever (from the rival baddies and from us innocents).

I'll have to think of it as it seems there are arguments to be made on behalf of her revalment being true and against it. But as a gut-reaction I'd say she should be lynched by one volunteering innocent (no one else casts a vote) on one Day before it's too late...

But I'll look back to it. As well to a few other things...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

This is getting interesting!

And just for starters I will have to say I share Brinn's uneasiness with Fea's revelation of her role which kind of makes her immune to any kind of attack whatsoever (from the rival baddies and from us innocents).

I'll have to think of it as it seems there are arguments to be made on behalf of her revalment being true and against it. But as a gut-reaction I'd say she should be lynched by one volunteering innocent (no one else casts a vote) on one Day before it's too late...

But I'll look back to it. As well to a few other things...

Heh. Are you volunteering, dear?



Brinn's right; Groin's still online, yet he hasn't posted. Groin, have you left the game? Maybe he's cathing up on posts???? If nothing else, make sure to turn invisible. Oh, and post!


Alternatively, to Gollum. If you don't have a pretty concrete suspicion list go back over the posts and at least concentrate on one person. That way we at least get something from you other than "I don't know" and "I agree with so-and-so". yes, I know, I shouldn't talk, as I've been pretty lazy this game, but the more people who help the better. In short, Gollum, just go through and give us gut reactions to what you see, if nothing else.


Off to type some things up before work. Be here for about another 45 minutes if I'm needed.


EDIT: x'd with Gollum. And bolding, which I really suck at lately.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Sally

Heh. Are you volunteering, dear?

I even might be.

But I'm going to look at that revealment first.

Originally Posted by Fea

I'm a seer who's only allowed to dream of innocents. If I dream of a Lover, I die. If a Lover pair kills me, they and I all die. If the village kills me, everybody who voted for me is retributionally slaughtered.

Okay. It's possible Di might have thought of that kind of a special-indeed role and it would suit Fea pretty nicely if she was handpicked into the role.

Gwath then kindly provided us with this from Day2 (I'm too lazy to go back there and find it myself):

Originally Posted by Fea

Stop that. Really, no matter who you are you don't want me lynched. Cross my heart and promise. The wolves want me alive, the village wants me alive, and when it comes time for my death, you'd better believe that it's best for everybody if it's on my own terms.

So it looks like she's hinting towards her role already there.

Also she said I'm innocent which is true indeed.

So all fine and dandy?

Well not all.

First of all I'm a bit suspicious about there being such a role that basically makes the player immune to any attacks if she's believed. And in a village where there is no clear knowledge about what kind of roles there are a great baddie might come up with a scheme like this. And that baddie would need to be also both playful and daring - which both apply to Fea just too well (also the "hinting" before revelation).

Secondly the timing of the revelation really raises my eyebrows. No one was actually suspecting Fea at the moment. So why the hurry to do that? She could have revealed a bit later if it would have looked like she was garnering some serious suspicion (and there was that mentioning of the role in her post in Day2 which should have convinced those wishing to lynch her anyway not to do it right away).

And sure it would have been a great way to go not telling the lovers about her capacities and taking both of them with her if they tried her during the Night? If she was a seer she could have just left a post saying it clearly enough for those reading her posts afterwards where she tells I'm innocent ie. not attention-grabbinlgy but using words which don't jump into one's eye when just looking through but reveal the intent if one reads them with knowledge of her role afterwards.

If she is a lover she would be afraid of the other (one of) lover-pair coming after her as the size of the village gets smaller. That would be a good reason for the timing. If we all believed her, the possible remaining lovers would leave her being afraid of trying her and we would not dare lynch her either. Perfect.
(And btw. all the lovers were alive when she revealed: McCaber and Greenie only got dead after that!)


I was already making pretty wild theories on this before I remembered Eomer has something to say in this. I'm waiting for him to appear before going with this any further...

EDIT: changed Gwath into McCaber, thank's to Sally...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If she is a lover she would be afraid of the other (one of) lover-pair coming after her as the size of the village gets smaller. That would be a good reason for the timing. If we all believed her, the possible remaining lovers would leave her being afraid of trying her and we would not dare lynch her either. Perfect.
(And btw. all the lovers were alive when she revealed: Gwath and Greenie only got dead after that!)


I was already making pretty wild theories on this before I remembered Eomer has something to say in this. I'm waiting for him to appear before going with this any further...

You mean Cabbie?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

You mean Cabbie?

Ah, sorry... I'm going to change that... Thank's for notifying...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

This is all a bit confusing and I have little faith that we're going to get to the bottom of things very soon.

Now, I will not rule out the possibility that Fea is lying. That she is a black-hearted scoundrel seeking naught but mischief and the pain of others should be clear to most Barrow-Downers. But I won't let the natural "Fea is screwing with us" reaction kick in without a thought.

She apparently knows my secret. All well and good. I'm not sure, though, whether she knows this more interesting piece of information: I didn't protect Nogrod.

So, what to make of this? There could be another Ranger in town, but I immediately think this unlikely. Two Rangers in a regular game would be an intriguing balance for more powerful villains; but in this game? Where it seems the Lovers are really battling the odds? I have to doubt it.

Which makes me think that Diamond has something really, really bizarre going on. Unfortunately for us players, we can hardly do anything logical about it. Is it something to do with Fea's weird role? Whether she's directly involved (if she's truthful) or whether it's the work of some powerful counter of Fea.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I'm not sure, though, whether she knows this more interesting piece of information: I didn't protect Nogrod.

I don't understand. Who or what protected Nogrod? I know he's an ordo, so he can't have done anything to protect himself. If you didn't protect him, how did he survive the Lovers?

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

She apparently knows my secret. All well and good. I'm not sure, though, whether she knows this more interesting piece of information: I didn't protect Nogrod.

So, what to make of this? There could be another Ranger in town, but I immediately think this unlikely. Two Rangers in a regular game would be an intriguing balance for more powerful villains; but in this game? Where it seems the Lovers are really battling the odds? I have to doubt it.

I would think that if there were indeed two Rangers, we would have seen some evidence of it in the narration, so I have to doubt it too.

[Nogrod]

I just looked at an US election special from BBC and there was this old guy saying "Mac is back". Let's hear when he comes around as we'd surely do with his help now...

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I didn't protect Nogrod.

After I heard from Fea you'd be a ranger I kind of counted on that you'd be one of those ready to take that risk. If you're not misleading us then I'm confident with that and give you my thanks. Well done!

But now we are in the stages of the game our being in the darkness starts to be a real burden.

I'll try to open up a few of the possibilities - which there sure is almost a limitless number - in a moment.

PS. If Eomer is indeed the ranger he bluffed the baddies by not protecting me last Night... Yes, I agree with Fea at this point that he should not tell it out aloud... ADD... who he protected last Night

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shasta

And I voted McCaber the day before yesterday because I had a major bad feeling about one of his posts; while I'm looking at Eomer, I'll see if I can't find it.

Now this was the first post of toDay.

How come you were so keen to point out that you voted for a baddie the Day before? And what would it help if we knew afterwards which were your reasons for doing that now that both McCaber and his mistress Greenie are dead and gone and there's no information to be gained if they did not know the other pairs? Or were you just a bit too hastily trying to make yourself look good as you had "got it right as well"? Or did you know that?

There is something that is now freaking me, some of my own conspiracy-theories are taking over little by little in this nuthouse village...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now this was the first post of toDay.

How come you were so keen to point out that you voted for a baddie the Day before? And what would it help if we knew afterwards which were your reasons for doing that now that both McCaber and his mistress Greenie are dead and gone and there's no information to be gained if they did not know the other pairs? Or were you just a bit too hastily trying to make yourself look good as you had "got it right as well"? Or did you know that?

There is something that is now freaking me, some of my own conspiracy-theories are taking over little by little in this nuthouse village...

Uh, no, because I recalled that I hadn't been able to explain that vote, and someone had mentioned it earlier.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Uh, no, because I recalled that I hadn't been able to explain that vote, and someone had mentioned it earlier.

Isn't it still kind of overdoing it as you didn't vote yesterDay and no one has kind of toDay asked about that vote from the Day before or suspected you about it (as your post was the first one toDay)? Not that you explained it toDay either... and who cares about that anymore.

So eager to point to your "good judgement"? And why? Vanity or more evil intentions?

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

This is getting interesting!

And just for starters I will have to say I share Brinn's uneasiness with Fea's revelation of her role which kind of makes her immune to any kind of attack whatsoever (from the rival baddies and from us innocents).

As am I. But I am more uneasy with her exposure of Eomer's supposed role. Why should she do something like that? Eomer was not yet in any grave danger, and even if he was, it should be his choice to reveal his or not. With his alleged role revealed, the lovers are bound to kill him toNight. If Fea is telling the truth about Eomer, then not only is she taking his fate into her own hands, but she is endangering the safety of the village, as the Ranger is integral to our survival. I am extremely uncomfortable with this situation as it forces us, without evidence, to assume that Fea has our best interests in mind, and I have no reason to believe this. I am certainly not going to take her word for it.