Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I just can't imagine Di placing three rangers in this game.

We're really going to need to compare notes later because the stuff I've been told versus the stuff people are telling me? Doesn't mesh.

I was told there are two sets of lovers, and that I had an equally gifted counterpart to my seer-ness. You were told that there are two sets of lovers, a set of mischievous immortals, and you dreamed of a ranger, with yourself as the seer.

I was told of at least two less roles than you were, which means little more than that our Moddess is having a field day right now rolling on the floor watching us struggle.

Brinn, so you're a ranger as well? How's that work?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I was told there are two sets of lovers, and that I had an equally gifted counterpart to my seer-ness. You were told that there are two sets of lovers, a set of mischievous immortals, and you dreamed of a ranger, with yourself as the seer.

From the face of it it looks like Fea is the false saeer and Brinn is the right one, but I might be wrong as well. If I remember it correctly, the false seers have had a kind of percentage by which their dreams turn out true or false.

But how about that "people will be killed if they lynch / kill you"?

And really, what those mischievous immortals are? Maybe Fea will take people with her after all - it might be good for the game balance?

I still suspect Shasta. Check my early posting for details...

Although the victory conditions seem to be a bit muddy. I mean do a false seer count as an inocent? Or a mischievous immortal?

Darn darkness...

[Nogrod]

If we have four baddies that do count as the winning side together (lovers + two immortal baddies whatever they are) we should pick one of these on the line and keep our thumbs up we're right about it...

If only the one (?) pair lovers make the victory we might try a different route and solve the problem tomorrow - whicheverone of us is around and about.

In the latter case it would mean either:
Shasta
Sally
Gollum
Eomer

And two of them should be lovers?

What do you think? I need to go to sleep soon as even if I have been following the US elections I still have to wake up and get to the school for 11AM and it's 5AM right now...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Suspect me or don't suspect me, Nog, but it's clear there are better people to be concentrating on right now. I for one don't believe for a minute that Gwath, Brinn, Fea, and Eomer can ALL be gifted.

I wonder if Fea is Venus herself. I'm more inclined to believe Brinn (and by association, Gwath) right now.

Here's what I think. I think that Fea is Venus, a lone baddie, and she chose the lover pairs, not Diamond. I also think Eomer is a lover, so in my opinion he's probably the better target.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

And may I point out, Nog, that if you believe Brinn, you sort of have to believe I'm innocent.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And may I point out, Nog, that if you believe Brinn, you sort of have to believe I'm innocent.

A fair point I had forgotten... and I'm not sure if it makes me believe in Brinn more... looking at your first post toDay Shasta...

Darn it.

If Fea is a false seer then she might have it wrong with Sally and that I would not wonder.

Eomer is a problem I must say. There are reasons to believe he tries to take advantage of the situation - and what Gwath says is plausible, that he was careful to evade from his possible protections... And I felt bad with him from very early on as you can check. But then again I'm a bit reluctant to lynch him. Even if I might try it in the end... which is going to be pretty soon.

I need to think.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

You're really making a lot out of what is simply a late response, Nog.

++Eomer

I think we have the best chance of getting rid of a lover pair by executing him.

[Nogrod]

Eomer -> Brinn
Gwath -> Eomer
Fea -> Brinn2
Shasta -> Eomer2

Anyone for Sally or Eomer?

To me it would depend on how serious we think our situation is. If we have no problem (only two counted baddies for victory around) we should try Sally I say.

If we are in a more dire strait it should be Eomer then?

I'm not sure I like the choices but others I feel are even more shots in the dark...

EDIT: X'd with Brinn & Shasta + the vote tally corrected...

[Nogrod]

I think the false seer is one who is not told s/he's one but is given dreams of which a certain percentage is wrong... I wrote about this already and won't speculate more as I need to get to sleep soon. Read the thread, please people (means Sally as well)...

Let me add the last thing I'm afraid of from early on this Day when all this discussion hadn't taken place.

Originally Posted by Sally

Fea, must you tell the world? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the attention and all, but....well, the ranger just needs to be my friend, I suppose.

Originally Posted by Fea

Of course the ranger is your friend. We're on the same side, after all.

I just get the creeps from this. Maybe it's just me?

[Brinniel]

Hmm...a false seer is possible. I've never been in a game with one before, but the sheer thought of it makes things confusing.

I don't know how much to believe Fea. But based on her reaction to my reveal, I'm doubting more and more that she's actually a lover. Eomer I'm more suspicious of, but I'm not sure of him either.

On another note, I'm worried we're not giving enough attention to other players; namely Sally, Gollum, and even Groin.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I still suspect Shasta. Check my early posting for details...

If my dreams are accurate, then Shasta is innocent. I'll tell you that one reason I went after McCaber was because of Shasta's suspicion of him, and after dreaming him I remember how unappreciated yet accurate he can be. Until something proves otherwise, I'm trusting my dreams.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

If my dreams are accurate, then Shasta is innocent. I'll tell you that one reason I went after McCaber was because of Shasta's suspicion of him, and after dreaming him I remember how unappreciated yet accurate he can be. Until something proves otherwise, I'm trusting my dreams.

What do you mean, if your dreams are accurate? That seems very strange to me. You mind explaining what you mean by that statement, dear?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

What do you mean, if your dreams are accurate? That seems very strange to me. You mind explaining what you mean by that statement, dear?

Seems pretty clear to me; a couple people so far have thrown out the idea of a false seer, given that so many people are claiming to be gifted.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Seems pretty clear to me; a couple people so far have thrown out the idea of a false seer, given that so many people are claiming to be gifted.

Oh, duh. That makes sense. I took it to mean that Brinn wasn't sure if her dreams were right. *headTARDISes* Sorry. Posting while I'm in a meeting; I totally should have caught that.

[Brinniel]

Groin: Because he's been on the BD but not posting here, I assume he considers himself out of the game. And as I've stated many times before, I believe for that reason he's probably an ordo.

Gollum: Seems confused. At first thought, I'd guess it points to innocence, but at this late stage of the game with a limited number of innocents left, I'm not sure.

Sally: Like I said, she's played safely and her reactions look faked. Whether she's a lover or something else, I don't think she's innocent.

Eomer: Definitely not innocent. A lover or something else. But I'm not sure which. Right now, he's the one I'd consider most voting for.

Fea: For now it looks more likely she's some unknown role, though I won't rule out the possibility of her being a lover. But I have no interest in voting her toDay. If the game is still going toMorrow, I might consider otherwise.

Five unknown roles. Two are lovers. When Di told me of 'mischievous immortals' I assumed that there are two, but I'm not positive about that. But if it is true, only one of the above is an ordinary innocent.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But how about that "people will be killed if they lynch / kill you"?

You've got a limited time to convince people, bad guys included, not to kill innocent people, including yourself. How do you do it?

Originally Posted by Brinn

Hmm...a false seer is possible.

I've never come across that role before. Is the false seer told that s/he's false? If I'm false, basically I'm asking, would I know it?

If I am false, does that mean I'm evil or does that mean I'm good but unreliable?

Originally Posted by Shasta

I think we have the best chance of getting rid of a lover pair by executing him.

That's true only if my dreams are inaccurate, which now I'm worried they are.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Thought-

and please forgive me for darting in and out, I'm watching th'election with great enthusiasm...

Is it possible that Brinniel is the false seer?

On the plus side, we both know that Nog's innocent, so that's good. At least one person can be agreed upon.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

To me it would depend on how serious we think our situation is. If we have no problem (only two counted baddies for victory around) we should try Sally I say.

I'd be willing to vote Sally. The problem is Sally won't vote for herself. Groin won't show up. And we can't guarantee Gollum will either. So at this point, I don't think it's possible to lynch her toDay.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Fea

Is it possible that Brinniel is the false seer?

I think it's less likely mainly because of how Eomer and Gwath revealed their claimed rangership. Also the fact that I was told of other mischieveous immortals and you weren't...