Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[the phantom]

So, we have-

The Reps (votes):

Brinniel- (2)
Ilya- (2)
Nogrod- (2)
Boro- (2)
the phantom- (2)
Aganzir- (2)
Legate- (2)

[Boromir88]

That is correct, I'd love to stay and chat, but it's time for me to catch up on other work before I go to bed.

[the phantom]

One deadline down, one to go.

As for me- I have to be up well before the sun tomorrow, so I am going to bed! I'll check in briefly before taking off in the morning.

I should be around quite a lot between 1 PM EST and 7 PM EST. I'll be absent for a couple hours after that, but back well before the deadline.

If any of you Reps are going to have odd schedules, it would be good to know ahead of time.

[Boromir88]

I will be absent from for a good chunk of the morning and afternoon, but will be around from about 6 EST until the deadline.

[Ilya]

I won't be about until about 5 EST. But then I'll be around until the deadline.

[McCaber]

So I apologize for not voting. Schoolwork ambushed me two hours before DL-1.

I am confident in our Day 1 reps, though (as far as Day 1 confidence goes, that is). A good mix of talkers and ponderers.

(For the record, my vote probably would have been for Legate.)

[Thinlómien]

Alright. So our reps are Brinniel, Ilya, Nogrod, Boro, the phantom, Aganzir and Legate? Not bad. The one I voted got through and none of them (except possibly tp) strikes me as suspicious. Although, I'm still wondering whether I like the fact that a majority of the elected are loud, experienced players. (Yes it's me who's saying this...) I don't doubt their wit, but I only fear this will lead more and more to the village being divided in two parts - the loud expert elite and the less experienced or less loud ones. Also, someone talked about a charismatic wolf representative leading the village... I generally dislike that kind of talk, but I can't help thinking about that right. Well, whatever, I trust my own ability to stay critical...

Then, another thoght... voting someone as a rep is surely a great way of buddying up fellow villagers. That's why the Agan-Brinn and Legate-phantom "alliances" make me wonder... I mean, of course it's just natural too to reward trust with trust and one is subconsciously inclined to trust someone that trusts them and blah blah blah, but such vote exchanges are curious. I'm not sure what to think about them.

Originally Posted by Shasta

I think Lommy's right about a possible Boro-Phantom-Legate triangle, but to what purpose? Surely they're not all wolves... are they?

I'm right about what exactly? That they form a triangle of sorts? That much is pretty obvious...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sure you're right (whoever it was to point it out) that we should be careful not to vote for any clear clicks as our representatives - like even if I feel pretty good about Greenie at the moment I wouldn't like her to be a representative for us just because Brinn already is.

Well see the current rep situation and see for yourself... Agreed that it might be a bit dangerous- admittedly I was only looking at it in the suspiciousness perspective.

Morm makes me very uneasy. But I think that's just a reflex...

Originally Posted by Boro

Wolves will lay low, stay out of things to let innocents lynch innocents, or they will attempt to get rep votes by sounding reasonable? Which one is it Lommy?

Why do you ask? It should be obvious that different wolves probably employ different tactics. Also, it should be obvious I may come up with possible wolf tactics but I can't just name one they're most probably all going to use.
But now that you made me think about it, I think many wolves would be tempted just to lay low, because the reps will be questioned over their decisions over and over.... but by no means all the wolves - although the thought doesn't quite cheer me, I think it's even quite probable that one of our newly elected reps is a wolf.

Originally Posted by sally

If there's nothing by your name I think nothing of you. (Take that how you like heh. Kidding, kidding.)

And what if my name isn't on the list at all? *refrains from adding any kind of smiley because of the silly limit*

I will probably do a list to order my thoughts about people next...

PS. Now that tp is elected a rep, I feel inclined to vote against a filibuster...


edit: xed with McCaber

[Nerwen]

Sorry about lack of posting. My connection's been down... I have a lot of reading to do now/

[Thinlómien]

Alrighty then, here come my thoughts...

Aganzir - pretty silent, but RL hurries are RL hurries. She seemed to be rather tense, but she herself said she was not having a good day... so I won't judge anything either way yet. I'm looking forward to see what she's going to do as a rep...

Boromir88 - weird. Well, not him, but the fact that I don't get any vibes from him. Usually, I can pretty accurately tell by gut-feeling whether he's innocent or guilty, but this far I have no idea of him yet. I would very much dislike to see him lynched on Day1 - he contributes and I haven't played with him in ages.

Brinniel - seems innocent enough, although Agan and Greenie's great trust in her makes me raise my eyebrows. Also, her voting Agan for rep in turn is not something I'd like that much... I'll be watching her although she doesn't give many any bad vibes per se.

Diamond18 - that confidence baffles me. I'm not trying to say she's usually not confident, but she's simply not usually like that. I very much want to hear more of her.

Eönwë - seems like his normal self. I'm not worried (at least yet).

Gil-Galad - not here.

Greenie - a questionmark. She's a sneaky girl for sure and I cannot decide whether her vote for Brinn makes her look slightly suspicious or very innocent.

Gwathagor - has not posted enough for me to have an opinion on him.

Ilya - I voted her as a rep, and I'm quite happy with it. She seems innocentish and reasonable although I don't agree with her on everything.

Legate - I cannot say I like his 180 degree turn on tp, but I have to admit it looks very innocentish.

Kath - should I be worried if the only thing I recall of her is that she voted me for a rep? I hope we hear more of her soon...

McCaber - submarineering a little again. But maybe he'll talk now that he has returned.

mormegil - like I said, he makes me really uneasy. It's just a gut-feeling. And I know my bad gut-feelings of morm are not to be trusted. So I will refrain from lobbying for his lynch until I have a reasoning-based reason to suspect him...

Nerwen - I can't see why Legate thinks her suspicious. I think her first post was pretty fine, and she's infamous for messing up with Day1s and deadlines. I'm looking forward to see more of her, for sure.

Nogrod - seems sensible and innocentish. My only worry is that he seems almost too much so.

Rune - not here.

Sally - I don't know. I actually get a slightly worriesome feeling from her, but she was a lover last game and far more serious and careful than now... So I don't know.

Shasta - seems very innocent.

The Ka - I like her but I don't trust her. She seems a little non-commital ("I'm an observer, sorry, I won't post that much") and a little odd, too. She'll never earn my trust easily after that performance as an evil Radagast...

the phantom - *sigh* Last but not least? I don't know, I can't bring myself to trust him. He's too nonsense-y and throws in some points I don't quite like (like for example the one about requesting ordoness). Also, his vote for Legate kind of came pretty suddenly and was reataliatory, which troubles me... but actually it may make him look more innocent. I don't know. I'm sorry to say this but a dead phantom is the one I like the best because it's the only one that doesn't give me headache.

Well, somebody already said it, but I wouldn't be surprised either if it turned out that we have no wolves... but I'd like to murder Fea personally then because it would be terribly frustrating and kind of boring...


edit: xed with Nerwie

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Although, I'm still wondering whether I like the fact that a majority of the elected are loud, experienced players. (Yes it's me who's saying this...) I don't doubt their wit, but I only fear this will lead more and more to the village being divided in two parts - the loud expert elite and the less experienced or less loud ones.

And isn't that what was the purpose of this system? Let the experienced, the wise rule, to order all things for that good which only they can see. Now, those in power may work for the best of the village, not distracted by the random votes of the idle or irresponsible.[/end of Saruman's - crossed with Senator Palpatine's - elitarian speech]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Also, someone talked about a charismatic wolf representative leading the village... I generally dislike that kind of talk, but I can't help thinking about that right. Well, whatever, I trust my own ability to stay critical...

POWEEEEER!!! UN-LIMITED POWEEEEEER!!!!!!!!

Okay, now on more serious note, though (no, not fis-moll). After this short while, I could offer a list of people, repeatedly, with some updated information - that's probably the easiest and most productive thing to do rightaway, as I will be around for a while now, but from then on not until late in the Day.

Before it, though, one more thing: when it comes to the current representatives, I am pretty fine with the people and also with their numbers, and most of all, with the power of votes - nobody here has stronger vote, so that's good, I say. And among us, we may - hopefully - pick the choice which is best for the whole village. Gah, a pity I can't be around in the following hours to discuss. But in the evening (10 or so hours from now) I will.

Anyway, for now, the list I promised... coming in a next post (to check if I didn't x-post with any people).

Originally Posted by Lommy

Why do you ask? It should be obvious that different wolves probably employ different tactics. Also, it should be obvious I may come up with possible wolf tactics but I can't just name one they're most probably all going to use.

Why not? Although I am worried about one possible thing the wolves might do, but not sure if I should talk about it here, nevertheless, I believe the wolves could well think of that themselves. (I'll see yet if I am going to talk about it, but possibly later.)

[satansaloser2005]

Greeeeat. Legate's gone completely mad now.


Crap. Sorry, Lommie dear. I must have accidentally deleted your name from my list of stuff. I don't find you suspicious, if it matters. I actually considered you for a rep too, but forgot to add you to that list as well.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, seems like nothing much, only Lommy's list, and that is not going to now change my opinions much. So, here goes mine:

Aganzir - It will be most interesting to see her as a rep; she did not give any special suspicious vibes this far. I am more interested in those who voted her, for she A) said pretty plainly that she won't have probably much time (in fact, at least on me it made the impression as if she were almost like rejecting the Rep position for toDay), B) really said just very little to get any much reading from her. And I think that goes for everyone, not just me. So I am most curious about those who voted her (Shasta and Brinn). The more about Brinniel, since it was voting back. But as for Agan herself, I have nothing much about her in person.

Boromir88 - this far seems reasonable, active, in fact (I forgot to say it yesterday), I am happy to see him around. I believe that if he is actively around, his questioning of people may be helpful and eventually thwart some Wolvish plots, let's say, to misguide people. Even if he were a Wolf himself, I am not that sure if he'd be capable of making too much harm with this.

Brinniel - Well, what I said. Her nomination does not worry me per se, but I need to get more reading about her and, what worries me slightly, is her Agan-vote (cf. above). Otherwise, however, her recent posts seem to have an innocent-ish tone to me.

Diamond18 - no change since the last time. Hard to say.

Eönwë - makes me worried because of the little he says, complains, and for his a bit "by-the-way" vote for Greenie (but since all his appearance around here was more like "by-the-way", it is in fact just natural). Anyway, really would like to see more for him, but rather don't like him that much: a careful WW, perhaps?

Gil-Galad - no change since the last time. Nothing to say.

Greenie - I am now wondering whether it wouldn't have been interesting to see her as a Rep after all, but well, whatever. This far, I still stand with looking at her more like on an innocent.

Gwathagor - I wish I could get a better reading on him now, for I am somewhat worried - not sure why, right now it's more of a gut feeling, and I think that behind his vote for Nog there may be some sinister intentions (get a fellow Nogwolf among the Reps based on the simple premise that we all think Nog is a reasonable player, therefore the vote won't strike anybody as awkward? An attempt to win innocent Nog's goodwill by voting him? Etc.) It is just a gut feeling, though: on a more general platform, I have nothing special to say on Gwathagor, and I should probably, for the future, look more carefully at his posts.

Ilya - seems very good this far, nothing to complain; let's see how she proves herself.

Legate - is the Sith Lord! Are you sure, Anakin? Stay here. - You are under arrest, Chancellor. Are you threatening me, Master Jedi? Bzzzz!

Lommy - Innocent-seeming, I would say, like an innocent Lommy would be.

Kath - Slipping. Under. The. Radar.

McCaber - looks like a classic Cabbie to me this far, and no reasons to suspect for now.

mormegil - I could just copy what I said in my earlier list: his behavior is just morm-ish, which means a bit scary to me, but he looks like having good points and such.

Nerwen - good now to see that she is back, that makes me wonder less what's wrong with her. So, a slate clean and now let's see what she does once she is here.

Nogrod - well, what I said before: reasonable, quite helpful, all that stuff, and let's see what he does as a Representative; the only thing I am a bit wondering about is his idea of giving a Rep post to somebody quiet. I can see the logic he presents (get them to speak), but I could also see it (if it was so) as a way to get a fellow quiet Wolf among the Reps. Of course, though, with the vote for Ilya (whom I think innocent) I won't think this that probable.

Rune - probably summoning Holger Danske from the bottom of the mug instead of voting around here.

Sally - Of course, especially because of the great support of myself, a very good person, for certain. Really, though, nothing wrong with her, and seems innocentish, very genuinely Sally-ish.

Shasta - I really, did not like some of his posts recently (around the time I voted) and I really, really, really don't like the vote for Aganzir - a kind of throwaway (in the sense: for somebody who was not around almost at all, a vote likely to disappear, while still not bringing Shasta into attention by that he wouldn't vote at all - a vote of a Wolf who is afraid to vote for a comrade, but afraid to vote for a "strong" player)? Wolf-on-wolf? Out of nowhere? vote.

The Ka - Now I wondered how to express that, but I see Lommy phrased it in her last post pretty well, so using her words: "She seems a little non-commital ("I'm an observer, sorry, I won't post that much")". Observer, that's the word, and it is like, chime in, chime out, I am around, and I said something do you recall? Yes, you said something, but if we stopped for longer, we don't recall what, because it was almost nothing. Unsettling.

the phantom - Well, as for the vote for me, if I could see it as a last-minute choice, I can see the logic behind it - it won't strike me as suspicious as Brinn's vote for Aganzir, at least. Otherwise, what I said - he seems like reasonable and hopefully having the best intentions of the village in mind. So, "I hope you won't fail the trust you put in me" could be my motto in regards to him now (that's not a typo. That's intentional ).

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Also, someone talked about a charismatic wolf representative leading the village...

Now that is quite scary

Originally Posted by A Little Green

You guys should really really slow down. I've been reading the thread for a few hours...

Totally agree with you there. And its a few pages later now.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I agree that when playing werewolf one should contribute and post actual substance; nevertheless, I don't like the way people seem to think that flooding the thread with posts is the only right way to play and the closer you get to that the better you are. We can't all be phantoms or Nogrods, nor do we need to be. It's just alarming how this "loud, experienced veteran" type seems to be the "ideal" werewolf player who sort of must be respected just because of that status. No, I'm not saying "Don't respect experienced loudmouths". What I mean is that we should avoid only considering these kind of players as good players or players worth being a rep.

Yeah, the main idea of Werewolf does seem to be forgotten. The main aim (as I see it) is to catch the baddies without being caught yourself. And to have fun. Though being loud does have its advantages, and if you do post substantial posts then it is also very productive, not everyone has enough time. Not everyone is a phantom. Quiet people can still be helpful, and maybe some are quiet because they are thinking, rather than just posting anything that comes into their heard before it even has time to register and form links with other stuff. Once its posted, you tend to stop thinking about the subject (or at least I do) and it becomes frozen like that- set in stone. Then it is harder for your ideas to move, and if they do, you look suspicious. The quiet ones can often be the most sharp.

Lost my train of thought... (there was going to be another paragraph

So I'll end this post...

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I won't pull a Legate 180.

A new
Downerism has been born!

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'm not quite sure where you, or Shasta got that idea from. Shasta said he got it from Lommy, who originally pointed it out. But, if I recall all Lommy did was really point out the obvious. That us 3 were obviously interacting, but didn't inquire any further

A bit like a "Paper Telephone" round, eh

edit: fixed quote- not even bothering to see who I x-ed with.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Ilya

or more particularly, Shasta jumping on Gil multiple times. Don't know what to make of it, but it raised more flags.

I jump on Gil every time we play together. I'm light, it doesn't hurt him any.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Ilya

Also, the Agan-Lommy thing (do they do this a lot?) doesn't worry me as much as the Gil-Shasta stuff does, or more particularly, Shasta jumping on Gil multiple times. Don't know what to make of it, but it raised more flags.

Yes we do. Far too often, at least if you ask Lommy.

I didn't find the Gil-Shasta quarrel suspicious. I think that's the way Shasta usually is, which doesn't indicate anything, while Gil looked pretty innocentish.

edit: xed with Shasta & phantom

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right. So, now, let me post on what had happened here meanwhile... One warning. There are things I say during the course of the post, which are commenting on the current situation as I read the thread, post by post, page by page. To get the completely updated stance of mine towards something, you have to read it all to the end. So, be careful before ripping some quotes of what I say here out of context. Some of the things I say (namely for example about Aganzir) are relativised later (though I am not deleting the original ones). You can at least see how my thoughts went.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I think we can make the obvious conclusion that we should not vote him as a representative in future - just to ensure his own sanity, health and safety, right?

No, no, no, why? Lommy, Nerwen is trying to turn you against me! Join me and together we may rule the galaxy... okay, okay, that will be certainly a wrong way to go

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Also, could you explain what you actually mean by "large front of support". I am aware that Brinn was considered innocent by a few people at the early stages, but I wouldn't call it a large front yet.

For me, voting for a representative by somebody who had hardly said anything at all is a large front. Thinking relatively here.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Part of the reason I chose you was because you unusually quiet; I was hoping that by putting you in a position of power I could draw you out more and get a better read of you early in the game.

Now, now. What the Republic of a nonsense is that? Agan posted two posts which contained about nothing, and she said plainly there that she posts little because she does not have time. She also said she won't probably have much time tomorrow. So, if you voted her to be a Rep in order to see her posting more - you are doing something illogical, aren't you? If you ever read her posts, for that's the only thing I could think of as logical reason for that. When you want to talk to somebody, and he tells you he is in work uninterruptedly since 8 AM till 11 AM, are you going to invite him for a coffee at 10 AM, hoping that it will give you a chance to talk to him? Does it make sense? Really, I don't know what to think of what you say. You make no sense at all.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I agree that a situation with only "generally trusted veterans" as reps is not nice, but for a different reason. I think it is not a favourable situation because, quoting Lommy,That I think is a real problem, not only because it enables quiet wolves to slip by, but also because it will lead to a not-so-enjoyable and not-so-sporty game.

Not-so-sporty! We have elected candidates, for Mod's sake. This is high politics. The people nominate elite leaders from their midst. The point of the Representatives position is to discard the endless debates of the people! Knowledge, Rule, Order: How many villages have ended on total chaos, unable to pick a Wolf, because of the weak and idle who have more hindered than helped the voting process? No time to be sporty! People can at last breathe freely, for they don't have to rely on the chaos of the masses! Let the wise, the responsible rule! People will realise that what the Representatives do is for their best! And if they don't, let us make them realise! Aiiiiiiiieeeeee!!!

Originally Posted by Greenie

One more thing - like Agan, I don't quite understand where these phrases like "great trust" and "large front of support" come from. I never said I had great trust in Brinniel - I think I said that she looks innocentish and is a sensible player or something along those lines. Don't know, but it looks like someone is trying to make small issues into big ones.

Again, cf. above - and I would say making somebody a Rep is a big deal just for itself. Remember that we have some seven or how many Reps who make the decisions for everybody. One seventh of the nation going for one party would be a large enough front of supporters for me (some 15% of the population). I was referring to the fact that a person was elected, not to the supporters themselves being many, but simply being enough to make this person a Rep.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

To Legate, why in Eru's name did you make the phantom your rep?

Well, perhaps you can pick it up together from my posts late yesterday before I went to sleep (i.e. before I voted him). But simply, by ellimination process, as I wanted one of the "strong" (read: independant etc., like we've been talking all the beginning of the game) players, there was nobody better to pick, and there was in the end Nogrod or him. And since Nog already had one vote, I decided to leave it more open - as I was assuming somebody would vote Nog too - which indeed somebody did, and I think even at about the same time when I cast my vote for tp. So, I wanted also rather bigger spread of people, as I was afraid that there would be just Nog of the people to whom I would really give my trust. I didn't want the representative board made of Brinniels whose election seemed as unclear to me as her profile this far, and Ilyas whom I don't know at all yet, etc. And still I was more inclined to vote somebody else rather than just to give Nog a vote, and presuming that more people would vote him, make him a Rep with more vote weight. And, I was fighting against it hard late in the Day, but I actually found out I started to like the phantom (don't let him read this, though), and like I said, of all people on the list (you can, I believe, look up somewhere some list of people whom I have considered voting for in the end), he seemed like the "man in his place" if he was elected.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I found only one in my post. I can't speak for Greenie but I wouldn't call her use of positive adjectives great trust, either. If we have to vote early and you know it, why on earth are you telling us later that we trusted her way too much given how much she had posted?
I find it worth noticing too that the first votes went to the same person, but I wouldn't call it great trust.

Seems to me catching upon very minor things. Gah.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Mostly that, at the time, everyone I wanted as a Rep already had two votes and everyone that had one vote was someone I didn't care to trust just yet. And I wanted to give my vote to someone who would use it responsibly, as you've shown you can do, in past games.

This actually looks innocent.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

"Mountain out of a molehill" much? And what do you mean by "not liking some of my posts"?

I don't know. Some of them. I need to look at them again, what in particular it was.

******An inner note*******
GREENIE seems even more innocent than before now, especially because of her "defense" of Lommy, which seemed logical. However, her - how was it? "thank you for clearing it up" which she said so friendly to everybody, first I believe Shasta and then to Agan (both page 8) seem a bit too friendly and nice. But in general, nothing wrong with her.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It's not in vain that democracy has been called the most civil form of government!

You are wrong, Nogrod. Democracy is outdated. Now, let us... okay, okay, I am not going to start on that again

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

These suspicions seem fabricated to me. Which posts in particular didn't you like, and why?
Aganzir has been talking quite a bit toDay, so I'm entirely sure what you mean by "a vote likely to disappear." Had Aganzir been relatively quiet prior to the first DL? I can't remember. Maybe I'll check later.

(I am quoting the larger part of the post just for I have something to say to the other part of it as well, however, the first line is the main I am replying to - it refers to my words about Shasta having some posts I don't like.) Okay, since you are the second one to ask this, I am going to look them up right after I post this post. (And as for Aganzir, check. She said she's not going to be around, which was repeated by her, by me, whatever, just look up even this very post.)
BTW - related - there are moments when I think (no offense, Gwath) that some people just are not reading. When I want to comment on person A commenting on person B, first I should see to it that I also know what was the thing person B said (to which person A was replying). Gosh.

Originally Posted by Kath

Can I ask, what do the representatives actually want us to do? I mean obviously we can't vote but do you want to know who we would vote for if we could to help you make your decisions? Basically - do you want your votes to be based on the feelings of the whole village or are you on your own, votes based on your thoughts/gut feelings depending on which you use? It would just be nice to get an idea of how this is going to work.

For me, dear Kath, my authoritarian choice is definite. This game's system simply asks for using it the way that somebody elects me, and then I vote according to my own best choices. Forget listening to voters after I have been nominated. It is weak. This is not a People's Republic. This is Spar--- er, sorry, that's from somewhere different. A bit more seriously: simply put, I am going to vote for the person I see as the most suspicious. However still, of course it is helpful if people post their suspect lists or such, first because they can help anyway during the game, and second because indeed, who knows, perhaps one may get some idea from them which he wouldn't have thought of himself. But, just do not expect however, that when five of you say that you want to lynch person X, I am going to do it just because the popular vote wants it. No, you have picked your representatives, and now you have them. It is upon them. THE POWER IS NO LONGER IN YOUR HANDS, PEOPLE!!! Only during the Rep-election.

Which is exactly how this Republic works.

******INNER WHATEVER #2 - EXPRESSING SOME GENERAL THOUGHTS ON SOME MATTERS*******
Now if you read Lommy's post 333 there are exactly the answers I would have expected there. I am not sure what was that Agan had problem with, for this is how I understood it. A wolf-agan trying to shed bad light on Lommy? But that would surprise me, as I suppose Agan more clever than to use such weak grounds to raise suspicion for people.

As for the Lommy and Shasta questioning itself, when it comes to the "triangle", I don't see anything weird on Lommy, but Shasta seems to me like "jumping on a train" (a bandwagon, one might say, to raise the proper connotations), misunderstanding Lommy and trying to set it up as suspicion (resp. to try to continue on a bandwagon of suspicion, which, actually, from Lommy's part wasn't really a suspicion but merely a statement).

Originally Posted by Aganzir

More exaggeration: she says neither Greenie nor I spared positive adjectives when trying to justify our votes for Brinn. I called her trustworthy, Greenie good & sensible player and innocentish. To me it doesn't look like either of us was trying to flatter Brinn, least of all me. Then she claims that exaggeration is a part of her style and that she doesn't think she had been exaggerating that far.

Exaggeration! How can you build a case upon that? Really, this seems like really building up a case out of nothing. In Czech we say "sucking it out of your finger", I am not sure of any good equivalent. Simply, making it up out of nothing.

(NOTE OF MYSELF AS POSTER: And I became inclined to ignore the rest of their discussion, for they became just silly, both of them, posting all over the place. I will probably read it later and not now, for it turned into a too much personal issue between the two, of accusing one and the other here and back again. Now just for the general things.)

Originally Posted by the phantom

I'm enjoying the Star Wars quotes. Keep them coming if you want my continued support.

You shouldn't've said that, but sure I would, probably, even without you saying it.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I don't think I will vote Lommy today. It was after all just a few things that made me suspect her in the first place (which is not enough to make me lynch her on day 1 twice in a row), and her replies to me seem genuinely frustrated in an innocentish way. I'm still suspicious of her but I rather give her the benefit of doubt for now.

So that's how the heated Lommy-Agan exchange ends for now: the end is better though than how I have seen it all the time. If it's genuine and not just backing away, good. I would certainly like to hope so.

So, that is it for now. Now I only hope I did not x-post with too many people.

Hello, Republic!

EDIT: So, x-ed only since some two or so posts from the bottom of page 9. So, no Hello Republic for me yet. *off to read* - but back sooner than before, I hope. (Perhaps it will delay people to read my post now, so they won't post meanwhile too much...)