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[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

What if the current Divo is unable to around a lot, and the resident Walter takes your advice, makes the divo claims says..."Here's my proof?"

It's a risk that can't be avoided.

Originally Posted by Boro

I can be quite convincing when I'm evil, ask Shasta.

Bah you didn't convince me. Only I wasn't able to be online at that time which was a pity.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

And Agan was kept alive because she could be manipulated to make a poor vote, where Mac may have had the right scent.

Yeah I kind of thought about that. I'm way too obsessive about my suspicions.
Of course it's also possible they killed Mac to cause a distraction and get us speculate what it was that led to his death. There are several possibilities and frankly, I don't want to start speculating right now.

Anyway darlings I really need to go to sleep. Not perfectly sure when I'll be back - I'm busy tomorrow. I try to come up with something more productive then.

I have a gnawing bad feeling about Boro.

[Boromir88]

I have a gnawing bad feeling about Boro.~Agan

What's changed?

[the phantom]

What's changed?

Oh, why bother asking questions of her? You already know she has no evil motives behind her suspicions.

You just need to talk her out of it.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boro

I can be quite convincing when I'm evil, ask Shasta. Speaking of which, where'd he run off to?

I have my reasons. Most of them are RL. I have been trying to pay attention, though.

Which is why I'd like to state the following;

I'm seeing a Boro/Sally connection today (sorry, dear). Even though I've been horribly wrong all game, I'm willing to bet at least one, if not both, is/are critical. I'll post what I've seen momentarily. Mind you, this is today's interactions only, I haven't had time to read the entire thread.

[Kath]

Don't know:
sally
Lari
Boro
Gwath
Shasta

Innocent:
Kath
Agan
phantom

So there are two Critics left, a Cobbler and two innocents. Which means that even if we threw caution to the wind and double lynched we wouldn't be certain of getting a single baddie.

What's worse from my point of view is that I can't be here at the deadline. In fact I'm going to be gone from 1pm my time and won't be back due to RL. For that reason I'm going to reveal, so that you know my 'innocent' list is actually entirely correct. I am the Diva! Contrary to phantom's assured beliefs that we are all as clever and forward planning as he is I have pretty much failed to leave proof of who I am. I started to try in my first post, began the first sentence with a D, the second with an I, and then realised I'd have to start a sentence with a V and couldn't think of how to do that without looking weird and gaining suspicion that way. If it helps with believing me I can tell you the reason for the role, however, which came out of a discussion between Mith and myself over how irritated I got when about Night 5 is reached and I'm generally killed. My role was actually decided months ago, which is why I have always believed that Mith's Critic roles were hand-picked and not left to the randomiser.

Therefore for entirely game involvement reasons I would be inclined to think that Boro and sally would be our Critics. Making Lari a wolf in her first ever game, in this game with people like phantom and Fea around, would be tough on her. Given what we've seen of her I've no doubt she could do it, I'm just not sure Mith would have dropped her in at the deep end. Gwath and Shasta have been too disappear'y recently.

My actual game suspicions do somewhat match up. I mean what was going on yesterDay around voting time. I can about see where all the votes for Mac came from in the first place, he was jumpy, insistent, abrasive - but then why did everyone suddenly seem to change their minds?

Gwath: sally
Shasta: Gollum
Cailín: Gwath
Boro: Mac
Agan: Mac
Mac: sally
Lari: Mac
Kath: Cailin

At this point things were pretty normal, then Agan chooses to kill Cailin, we discover that she's innocent and all hell breaks loose.

Firstly Lari suddenly announces that she wants to retract Mac and vote Gollum because Gollum looks more suspicious.

Mac obviously goes for this idea as he knows he is innocent but doesn't know about Gollum.

All perfectly normal.

Then sally appears asking someone to retract Mac or she isn't going to vote. This looks very odd to me. 'I may think Mac is potentially guilty but I don't want to lynch him. ToDay anyway.' Why? We are now not lynching the guilty people? I suppose if she thought he was the Cobbler rather than a Critic that makes a little more sense but even so. Then votes Gollum - why? Was it just to avoid the double lynch or did she actually think he was suspicious?

And that's where I'm up to right now and my battery is about to die. I'll be back in about 10/15 mins with battery and thoughts!

[Aganzir]

Thanks Kath. I can see no reason not to believe your claim.

Boro, what has changed is that I read about half your posts yesterday and, you know, since I'm always paranoid and obsessive at least at this point of the game, I couldn't help noticing some suspicious things.
But you can actually blame phantom - it was he who first pointed out the cobbler things in your first post (which I wouldn't have caught myself). As the cobbler's information is passed on to the critics, xe can use that to make xer identity known to them. Therefore what's the reason for an innocent to pretend to be the cobbler - the critics would catch a bluffing innocent soon enough for accusing the wrong people and such?

This is also why I don't trust phantom. He can help us, sure, but he also does whatever pleases him.

[Kath]

Sorry, had more to do than I thought.

I'm going to vote now and I'm going to stick with:

++SALLY

I don't like voting for her when she hasn't had a chance to reply to what I said about her earlier but I really have very little choice. Right now she looks the most suspicious to me.

See you toMorrow ... assuming we get this right!

[Aganzir]

Okay I just read through the thread which was a terrible job.

Originally Posted by Boro

Operas have puns, correct, or is that just plays? "The plays the thing," as some shakespearean character once said.

The play's the thing
Wherein I'll catch the conscience of the King.
So, Hamlet wanted a proof that his uncle had murdered his father. Boro needs proof about murderers too... and knows how to get it?

Originally Posted by Boro

Also, that time I was the seer, this time I'm not, and thus I deduce you made a fake confession.

The innocent Boro I'm used to tries to protect the seer.

On day 1 Boro suspected sally because Nog said she was trying to be forgotten. I still think the reasons were bad. The following day he preferred Ilya, Gollum or Cailín over Bowie, sally and Shasta to be lynched when it came to submarines.

Boro is persuasive about tgwbs not dreaming of a critic on night 1. I'm not so sure. I think it seems the most likely he dreamed of Fea and Mac before his death. However, although Boro was clearly on top of his innocent list, he didn't suggest once that tgwbs could have dreamed of him but insisted a phantom dream was more likely. So no one would be surprised when he kept surviving?

Somehow the way Boro reacted to me on day 3 looks cobblerish.

I do hope after this day is over, you take the night, to not only consider who you choose for a kill (it would be a wasted choice on me, just giving you a heads up ), but look over this Fea-Boro talk and come to a different conclusion. Because before you consider using this little interaction between Fea and myself, be prepared to have it thrown back at you, and I guarantee you will be lynched before me. Not saying don't try it, just saying before you do, make sure you want to and definitely...Be Prepared.

So... I was simply the most suspicious character back then as tgwbs's evidence pretty much pointed against me. What does Boro do (and I suspected him based on he and Fea's interaction)? Be Prepared. "Hey Agan you're clearly a wolf, don't bother going after me!"
I noted he was singing my favourite song, and after that I think he seemed to, well, not exactly defend me, but not be certain of my guilt either.
Plus he considered defending me on the following day. Not that I have anything against it but still it just doesn't feel innocent.

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I don't like sally's day 2 vote for Gollum. I think he was too easy a target, plus as Brinn said, sally sounded like she was just echoing her reasons. Also, she's been laying back a bit, at least it feels she has.

I'm still somewhat suspicious of Gwath but his reactions in our talk about whether the diva should reveal or not seemed innocent. I'm rather sure sally and Gwath aren't wolves together though.

Of the others I have nothing special to say yet. Might want to analyze Lari if I have time though, she's been flying under my radar.

edit: xed with two Boros, Lari & sally. Grr do you have any idea how much time I would have spared if you had said that earlier?