T-I-G LV Sing when you're winning

[Aganzir]

Thanks Kath. I can see no reason not to believe your claim.

Boro, what has changed is that I read about half your posts yesterday and, you know, since I'm always paranoid and obsessive at least at this point of the game, I couldn't help noticing some suspicious things.
But you can actually blame phantom - it was he who first pointed out the cobbler things in your first post (which I wouldn't have caught myself). As the cobbler's information is passed on to the critics, xe can use that to make xer identity known to them. Therefore what's the reason for an innocent to pretend to be the cobbler - the critics would catch a bluffing innocent soon enough for accusing the wrong people and such?

This is also why I don't trust phantom. He can help us, sure, but he also does whatever pleases him.

[Kath]

Sorry, had more to do than I thought.

I'm going to vote now and I'm going to stick with:

++SALLY

I don't like voting for her when she hasn't had a chance to reply to what I said about her earlier but I really have very little choice. Right now she looks the most suspicious to me.

See you toMorrow ... assuming we get this right!

[Boromir88]

Oh, why bother asking questions of her? You already know she has no evil motives behind her suspicions.~tp

The only thing I can think of doing then is...

++Boro

Best of luck critics. I doubt I can be of any more service.

[Boromir88]

Before anyone says anything else, I'd also just like to point out I'm a secret-holder of information. Have fun.

But I will say, Kath, darling, they've known about you for a couple days now.

[Lariren Shadow]

So while doing this I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s possibly hard to figure out wolves from their kills because of counting in Fea.

The phantom: Obvious kill. And by that I mean if the wolves were playing smart than they would have taken him out of the first day. From what I’ve heard you never know his role or who's side he’s on anyway. Plus, well this one I don’t know if we could find any other wolf who would want the phantom dead more than Fea.

TGWBS: Pretty much obviously Fea. Now she wasn’t/isn’t working alone, but this one has her all over it. He kept suspecting her and if she had any inkling that he was the Seer then she probably would have gone ahead and killed him even if the other wolves didn’t agree. So his death, while really bad for us, is almost only hers.

Brinn: Interesting choice. I’m not at all sure why she was killed. Did the cobbler tell the wolves she was innocent and they just went for her? She thought Kath’s Ilya vote was a little suspicious, which might have been the truth, but other than that nothing. But her death made Mac look bad. Were the wolves setting up Mac? Which leads to who thought Mac was guilty and to…

Mac: Who was clearly not who anyone thought would be killed(myself included). Sorry Agan, but, well, I thought you were a goner. Agan was against him, but so was Boro. We know Agan is innocent(or else her revenge kill wouldn’t have worked yesterday) but we don’t know about Boro. I changed my mind on the vote because, well, if he was guilty then there would have been a good chance we would have lynched him today. And I really did think that Gollum was guilty. I thought Mac might have wanted to vote with me to save himself, sacrifice one to save themselves and all. But now that he’s dead, not so sure. His death makes Boro look suspicious though. Would the wolves have known if he was innocent though? Did the cobbler spy on him? Not sure, but then again, not sure who the cobbler spied on at all.

Now I should go back through all the suspicions and see who's left. Sorry about this being late, RL popped up so much to the point of I thought of dropping out.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, just (sort of) woke up. Couple quick reactions as I hit the snooze button.



Kath: You're getting it wrong.


Boro: What the heck?


Lari: Hmmmm, you bring up an interesting point about the night kills. I'll have to consider it real quick.


In any case, I need to wake up a bit. I'll probably post some at work (depending on which management people are there today) but otherwise I'll have to just pop in and vote.


And I'm wondering quite a bit if Boro's self vote is a trick. *rolls eyes and yawns*

I'll be back in a bit when I can speak in semi-complete sentences.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

And I'm wondering quite a bit if Boro's self vote is a trick. *rolls eyes and yawns*

What do you mean by trick?

Anyway it's rather clear that he doesn't have the singers' best interests in mind. I think we should lynch him today. There's after all a risk he's a bluffing critic (although given what I've been able to make of his posts thus far I'm not inclined to believe so). However, lynching him would mean there's certainly one baddie down. If we lynch an innocent today we lose tomorrow.

Also, as there are only four innocents, one of whom has voted already, it's very important we all vote for the same person.

How does this situation look so familiar...? Oh now I remember it was my second game and I wanted to get The Saucepan Cobbler lynched instead of taking a risk and we lost the following day.
Which means Shasta is a wolf!

edit: xed with Boro

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What do you mean by trick?

Anyway it's rather clear that he doesn't have the singers' best interests in mind. I think we should lynch him today. There's after all a risk he's a bluffing critic (although given what I've been able to make of his posts thus far I'm not inclined to believe so). However, lynching him would mean there's certainly one baddie down. If we lynch an innocent today we lose tomorrow.

Also, as there are only four innocents, one of whom has voted already, it's very important we all vote for the same person.

How does this situation look so familiar...? Oh now I remember it was my second game and I wanted to get The Saucepan Cobbler lynched instead of taking a risk and we lost the following day.
Which means Shasta is a wolf!

That' exactly what I meant by trick. Either self-voting to get us to kill him (if he's Walter) or self-voting to get us to think he's Walter and not kill him (if he's a critic). Remember that we have to get a CRITIC today, not necessarily just a baddie, if that makes sense.


I know you were kidding, but I really did go through Shasta's posts last night and found....erm, nothing. Is it just me or is there pretty much no substance? (I know he's been very busy, but he's left not a whole lot of a trace all game and I'm wondering if that part is deliberate)

[Boromir88]

Ugh, you can never do any tricks around here anymore that will work. People blow it up before it ever has a chance of working.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Ugh, you can never do any tricks around here anymore that will work. People blow it up before it ever has a chance of working.

See, I'm entirely backwards this game, obviously, so if I trust someone they have to be a critic or Walter. I trust Boro, so he's gotta be evil.

I'm wondering, however, why he didn't try to hop on to Kath's vote for me. Well, too obvious I suppose, and there's always a retraction. Of course at the same time if he wants to make me look guilty (be he Walter or an actual critic) all he needs to do is support me and I'll get the lynch. (And they'll get the game.)

[satansaloser2005]

Votes are

Kath-->Sally
Boro-->Boro


Obviously I'm not going to advocate lynching myself, because for one I know I'm innocent, for two I'm not a masochist (at least not today ) and for three of the two candidates Boro is the ONLY choice of not losing the game toDay. So if I have to, yes, I will vote for Boro, because I'd rather take a chance on killing Walter and letting the critics win than I would see a known innocent (in this case me) die and have us lose the game for sure.

Headed off to work in a bit. My participation my really go down the tubes for the rest of the Day. My apologies.

EDIT: X'd with Fea....erm, I mean Boro.

[Boromir88]

Here's the deal...

There is one crucial mistake you are wrong about Agan...this

Anyway it's rather clear that he doesn't have the singers' best interests in mind.

I don't have time to sit here and defend myself, or go through posts to try and defend myself. And besides even if I did that rarely ever works. With Kath's reveal, that left...

sally
Gwath
Shasta
Lari

Who I was unsure about. My Walter reveal was fake, now why would an ordo do a fake cobbler reveal? I did it a long time ago when Fordim was a cobbler, I faked a cobbler reveal to not only prove my innocence but force the real cobbler to come out, that was our only shot of winning.

I thought I'd attempt it again, I could get the real cobbler out, plus prove my innocence leaving 3 unknowns 2 of them critics. Those are hell-a-good chances. But now that's been entirely blown up. And now all I can tell you is lynch me and it's over.

[Aganzir]

Okay I just read through the thread which was a terrible job.

Originally Posted by Boro

Operas have puns, correct, or is that just plays? "The plays the thing," as some shakespearean character once said.

The play's the thing
Wherein I'll catch the conscience of the King.
So, Hamlet wanted a proof that his uncle had murdered his father. Boro needs proof about murderers too... and knows how to get it?

Originally Posted by Boro

Also, that time I was the seer, this time I'm not, and thus I deduce you made a fake confession.

The innocent Boro I'm used to tries to protect the seer.

On day 1 Boro suspected sally because Nog said she was trying to be forgotten. I still think the reasons were bad. The following day he preferred Ilya, Gollum or Cailín over Bowie, sally and Shasta to be lynched when it came to submarines.

Boro is persuasive about tgwbs not dreaming of a critic on night 1. I'm not so sure. I think it seems the most likely he dreamed of Fea and Mac before his death. However, although Boro was clearly on top of his innocent list, he didn't suggest once that tgwbs could have dreamed of him but insisted a phantom dream was more likely. So no one would be surprised when he kept surviving?

Somehow the way Boro reacted to me on day 3 looks cobblerish.

I do hope after this day is over, you take the night, to not only consider who you choose for a kill (it would be a wasted choice on me, just giving you a heads up ), but look over this Fea-Boro talk and come to a different conclusion. Because before you consider using this little interaction between Fea and myself, be prepared to have it thrown back at you, and I guarantee you will be lynched before me. Not saying don't try it, just saying before you do, make sure you want to and definitely...Be Prepared.

So... I was simply the most suspicious character back then as tgwbs's evidence pretty much pointed against me. What does Boro do (and I suspected him based on he and Fea's interaction)? Be Prepared. "Hey Agan you're clearly a wolf, don't bother going after me!"
I noted he was singing my favourite song, and after that I think he seemed to, well, not exactly defend me, but not be certain of my guilt either.
Plus he considered defending me on the following day. Not that I have anything against it but still it just doesn't feel innocent.

**

I don't like sally's day 2 vote for Gollum. I think he was too easy a target, plus as Brinn said, sally sounded like she was just echoing her reasons. Also, she's been laying back a bit, at least it feels she has.

I'm still somewhat suspicious of Gwath but his reactions in our talk about whether the diva should reveal or not seemed innocent. I'm rather sure sally and Gwath aren't wolves together though.

Of the others I have nothing special to say yet. Might want to analyze Lari if I have time though, she's been flying under my radar.

edit: xed with two Boros, Lari & sally. Grr do you have any idea how much time I would have spared if you had said that earlier?

[Boromir88]

Grr do you have any idea how much time I would have spared if you had said that earlier?

I think you misunderstand, what I'm trying to show you. Give me just a little more time.