T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Not sure how much time I have now, though, since there's this short RPG we've been planning to complete today, and I might have to leave in an hour (depending on how long it takes one of the players to get up).

Your player has woken up but she refuses to leave home before she's played some ww.

I'm not surprised to see Gollum lynched, nor that he was innocent. But given how close it was that you lynched me (it was rather weird to read it afterwards, thinking that I was sleeping peacefully while you were plotting to kill me... so nasty of you ) I'm not complaining...

And as for Shasta, I really think they thought him to be the seer. All that astrology-banter and so on, and besides it looks quite clear who he "dreamt" of:

Originally Posted by Shasta of Gollum

The stars say he's an ordo

That's pretty straightforward, and that makes me wonder about Gollum's lynch. I would not be surprised if there was a wolf or a Ferny there voting him, seeing him as Shasta-seer's known innocent...

Okay, now I will return to Day1 and reply to all the quotes I find answering-worhty, and I can look at the Gollum-voters at the same time...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Aganzir The Fanged

Rune, I would like to apologise for signing up although I can't be around till deadline.
The quarrel between Rune and Brinn is ridiculous and, despite overreacting, it's not Brinn's fault.

I never said that you where not allowed to sign up if your RL is realy busy, but you should never use it as an excuse! Nor should you get mad if RL comitment effects your posts and people comment on them, this game is all about judging other peoples post and no matter what happens in RL it is still you who are responsible for what you post.

[Thinlómien]

I wouldn't make too much out of Mira defending Lari and Fea - they're her friends and this is her first game. In fact, I think her defending them rather points at her innocence.

I think Mac's later posts were more innocent than the early ones, and his explanation about the Ferny-thing kind of makes sense. So, for the time being, I'm not overtly worried about him (although, it might be that I'm manipulated to like him because he didn't want me to get lynched ).

Rikae and Legate seem pretty innocent to me too. It's just the overall tone of their posts... they seem like their innocent selves.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I'd think our Frodo would want to have more fun with the role than that. Also, once Frodo is changed, he is on the side of the wraiths. A lynching after he has changed could mean a loss for the wraiths. And why would anyone want to lose?

I think this is the single best point made about Frodo in the whole game. Brinn speaks sense here. Although, along the lines of Nerwen's and Rikae's thoughts, this could very well be a baddie carefully trying to win Frodo over to her side, though... and in that light, this seems awfully defensive:

Originally Posted by Brinn

I wouldn't encourage Frodo to do anything...it's totally up to him on how he wants to play. If he wants to reveal, go ahead. And if he wants to be turned, let's hope we lynch him first. But there's no harm in me saying what I'd personally do if I were in that role...or is there?

I still think you guys overestimate Ferny's and wolves' chances of identifying themselves to each other. They would have to do it out in the open, which means they have to be really careful, which makes it very difficult for them.

I don't get the row between Brinn and Rune. Rune's being unnecessarily nasty to her. But however, I doubt a wolf would be that aggressive. (As for Brinn, I don't think her reactions point to either innocence or guilt.)

~*~

Lastly, if we look at the Gollum lynch as so that the baddies could have thought him to be a known innocent...

Greenie's vote of him doesn't look too sinister. I think had she spotted the stuff, she could have voted Shasta himself just as well.

Then, it becomes more sinister as there now actually is the chance that Gollum may end up lynched. And what does Mr Noggels do?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Gollum looks like an "easy lynch" (like Rune and I think some others as well have alrerady commented) and the question just remains whether that is true or is he once again playing the card that is assumed from his behaviour? Somehow I'm a bit baffled about his activity and tone toDay. Like in his post #90 he says first of Menel and then of Legate and me that "they stay". Like it was under his decision who lives or dies (and not a democratic vote) - and the only one to think that way is the ringwraith's way of thinking... And well many other things, like his continued insistence to set right things said about him and the fervour by which he claims to be the number one poster while actually providing very little indeed but being friendly - which sure is the most wolvish trait there is...

Carefully states the cons against lynching him, but then suddenly starts to give reasons why he could be voted - as if preparing to vote him... I think that's rather fishy. And then later:

Originally Posted by Noogy

Gollum - "*Draws name from hat*"

Comment: Stating that one's vote is random means that you discharge yourself from the responsibilty of making the vote but still you make the vote and thus help lynching someone. Downright awful, undisgraceful, cowardish, irresponsible, worth of lynching on any occasion where you have no better targets!

And the votes after Nogrod's don't seem too bad at all, unless Mac and/or me were wolves.


edit: xed with Rune

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I guess I should talk about Gollum:

I really don't get why people always vote after the same pattern on every day 1, it is getting quite predictable. I can understand why Brinn and Mac votes for Gollum, nobody can be blamed for saving ones own skin. . .but that quite experienced players do it, that pussles me.

Is it because Gollum has some history I am not aware of?

Anyways, it may be that Gollum him self did not leave much of a trail, but pretty much everybody commented on him and that is also a trail of sorts.


oh just a quick note about Frodo: Obviously people can play how they wish, but I always got the impression that Frodo was on our side. This should mean that he does not speculate in shifting sides and such, so Frodo should always act in a way that benifits his current team.

Just like Frodo did not consider letting the wraith stap him in weathertop so that he could becoe a wraith and join Sauron, however it was a risk. . .but not a choice.

Does that make sense? (I guess not)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It was a rather odd decition making that took place last night. . .

Mac basicly did not wan't to vote for anybody, but especially not Lommy. . .for apparently no reason. He advocates this, but nothing happens until Nerwen shows up and vote for Gollum.

I guess the conclution is that Gollum died because there are people don't feel good about lynching Lommy on day 1.

I cannot say that any of the players stand out as very suspicious, but it was a bit odd. Had it been day 3 one could have slammed them on lack of reasoning, but on day 1 this is what is to be expected.

I will add Nerwen and Rikae to the list of people that is to be watched closely.

(I did like that Mirandir objected to the whole thing, although a wolf could do that as well)

[Aganzir]

Guilty (now this list looks unusual)
Nog. I don't understand why he seems to think Frodo should reveal & be lynched. Or rather, it's the lynching part that I don't understand. If Frodo revealed, why couldn't xe keep living? Nog's suggestion looks evil because it would take one known innocent away for nothing. Also, why point out Dury's ranger impersonation aloud? I simply can't see the sense in it. Makes day 1 votes too big an issue. Also, if we're looking for players who could have killed Shasta, he's probably on top of the list.
Mac. Wondering whether Billy would send in his own name looks like hinting, "Do it!" or "I'll do it!" I feel worse about Nog, though.
Menel. His reason for voting Mac (his list contains mostly Innocents or No Clues - wolf can't turn people's words into anything suspicious) wasn't very good but apart from that I have no idea, and he's on this list because my Neither list would have looked way too long otherwise.

Innocent
Lommy. Pointed out the Mac quote and looks quite innocent overall. She voted for me, though, but I suppose it's just fair given how much headache I've caused her in the past.
Rikae. Her suggestion of Frodo's revealing was better than Nog's and actually made some sense.
Greenie. Looks innocent enough for now. Plus she had some good points against Nog.
Legate amuses me and his arguments look innocent.

Neither
Nerwen. Dunno. She looked more innocent at the beginning and less innocent at the end of the day. I'm keeping an eye on her.
Dury. Innocentish but too little to go on.
sally. Too little to go on.
Lari

Originally Posted by Lari

As for my sign I am a Sagittarius which actually does say a lot more about me than it should.

So going by Shasta's list you're a baddie?
Mira. Pops in randomly to comment on things.
Rune. No idea.
Berry. Innocentish but hasn't left enough of a mark to make it onto the Innocent list.
Fea. I disagree with her on the importance of day 1s but that happens always.
Brinn. Slightly overreactive but otherwise sensible. I don't find her Frodo posts suspicious, just because I can agree with her on most of the things.

Okay I'm leaving now. Back some time later.