T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think you may have something there, Lommy; certainly it seems more likely than Brinn's idea that they thought he was Frodo. (What could 'looking Frodo-ish' possibly consist of, anyway?)

Actually, now that you mention it, I must say that suggestion of Brinn's was a bit weird. It does not make much sense - I wonder if the explanation is that Brinn was too tired when she was posting or that she's a baddie trying to mislead us?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I agree Fea seems very unlikely to have the village's best interests at heart. How can you be sure she's the cobbler rather than a wraith, though? I'd guess it took more than one baddie to make that lynch happen.

A wraith would be unlikely to behave like that, I think, because xe would be setting xemself up to be lynched the next day. It's too obvious.

Then again, a wraith Fea could consider herself seer-dreamt anyway and therefore behave suicidally.

If there's another baddie in the Dury voters, I would guess it was Lari, but I don't think there necessarily is. It seems possible Lari and Mira were misled.
Rune, I suppose, could also be evil, but, though I haven't played with him in quite a while. I seem to recall odd, erratic behavior being pretty normal for him. (I actually forgot he was part of it above, though).

I don't want us to let Fea slip through the cracks, though. Like I said, she basically handed herself in. There is no way she actually thought Nog's case against Dury had any merit, and no way such a deception, at that time, could benefit the village. Unless we have someone else pop up and literally go "hey, I'm a wraith, lynch me", she's our best bet.

I have another suspect at the moment who is climbing higher on my radar, but I think I'll refrain from making my case against xem for now & see if xe further incriminates xemself.

[Thinlómien]

Rikae, I agree. Fea looks rather fernyish, but not like a wraith. (Although, I have to add that an ordo Fea has been known to act really weirdly. Maybe she'll show up and explain.) But whatever, unless she looks more innocent toDay, lynching her might be a good back up plan. (But I'm worried of it becoming the official back up plan everybody can bring up and avoid naming any actual wraith suspects. )

edit: xed with Legate's novel

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

edit: xed with Legate's novel

Yes, well, what do you expect. Anyway, don't expect from me to reply on anything, if anybody asks me anything, for the few following hours. You will have to wait. I will leave for a few hours now, I'll see if I can post commenting on at least some events from yesterDay before I leave, but then I will be back and finish it. Should not take THAT long... so, in some four or five hours, you should get me here "up-to-date" and ready to post in the currently running discussion

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate

Sally - 193: I don't like that either:

Anybody cares to tell me what is so suspicious about Brinn, except the fact that she's been a succesful wolf in some of the past games?

Actually, my problem with that quote is not that she suspects Brinn on silly grounds, but that it looks very much like something someone could say about a fellow wolf. It screams that to me, in fact. (But of course, my reading might be a bit biased since I suspect Brinn and don't find sally too innocent either.... getting caught up in conspiracy theories again? *remembers Nog's hobbit game*)

PS. Mirandir is a she.


edit: xed with Legate - well, you're right, I didn't expect anything else.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, now I have to leave for a few hours, and I really didn't get very far (somebody's been posting horribly long posts yesterDay... how can people do such things? ). Anyway, just for now:

Shasta's death: My opinion on why he was killed is indeed most likely no trails left. He really didn't post anything of substance. I don't think much Seerishness-supecting was involved, although it is possible.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Try what? How did I seem to suggest xe should stay put & and then change my mind? I don't think I ever reached any conclusion when talking about the RB. Hmm oh yes I actually did. But I simply don't get what you're aiming at.

I meant to say, in other words (if we presumed you were a Wolf): Perhaps you were doing that (supporting the idea that Frodo could reveal) in order for him to reveal himself, or give hints, so that you may target him. That was the basic idea of it. Then, when others were suggesting Frodo not to do that, you have backed away a bit, so as not to be too suspicious if it became the general opinion that Frodo trying to give hints may be dangerous for the village. (All of this is now relativised anyway by what you said later, or what others said later about Frodo too, and your opinion on Frodo wishing to become a Wolf in the first place.)

Okay, but now I have to leave. Will be back and continue on my comments. (In other words, expect some long post from me again. Or perhaps, I may try to divide it into a few shorter ones... but that will depend. We'll see. Or you can tell your opinion on that meanwhile, if you prefer one long or several... long as well, but not as long as it would be if it was just one

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Perhaps you were doing that (supporting the idea that Frodo could reveal) in order for him to reveal himself, or give hints, so that you may target him.

But I never supported xyr revealing! Well yes it would make things easier but it would also be an unfair thing to ask.
Besides what would a wolf gain from Frodo revealing? A lot headache.

Originally Posted by Legate

Then, when others were suggesting Frodo not to do that, you have backed away a bit, so as not to be too suspicious if it became the general opinion that Frodo trying to give hints may be dangerous for the village.

How would disagreeing be suspicious?

Sorry I'm not trying to be difficult, I just have no idea what you're talking about.

[Lariren Shadow]

All right, I get it, my vote seems fishy(and no, I'm really not a Pisces, no where close).

However, I pretty much voted for the same person two days in a row. And the only reason was I still didn't have much to go on from Day 2. I thought in my mind that it would have been interesting to make the person who's character is like the ranger to be a wolf/wraith. Hence my voting.

As for the rest: are we sure that Nog's death wasn't in some way a way to implicate Fea? Can we really rule out a possible innocent Fea and really good wolves/wraiths? It would be kind of smart of them too. They wouldn't get blamed for killing off a very dangerous innocent, the village would just lynch her and be done with it.

This is not saying that we shouldn't look at her. Clearly that would be stupid but this is a possiblity no one mentioned. Last game she was lynched the same Day and was a wolf. But she was also more open about her wolfyness.

As for Mira, it is her first game. But it's also Day 3 and she is clearly fair game.

As for the comments between Lommy and Agan, while obviously it's between you two and I shouldn't read more into than a possible friend's spat(I mean, I could also say the same things about Mira and Fea, considering I know them in real life too) but there whole thing would be a good cover up if they were both wolves/wraiths. Keep up the pretense that they are not working together and such. I would have to look through their posts again, but its a good way to throw us all off their trail.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

But I never supported xyr revealing! Well yes it would make things easier but it would also be an unfair thing to ask.
Besides what would a wolf gain from Frodo revealing? A lot headache.

Okay, sorry, wrong terminology. What I had in mind, and what we were discussing back on that Day from the beginning, was whether Frodo should be silent or try to give hints about his identity. That was the point, that's what I meant by "revealing" here (really, I used completely wrong word here, sorry for that).

How would disagreeing be suspicious?

Well, like, if all people shared my opinion, i.e. that Frodo should stay put and not give any hints at all, and if everybody agreed on that (and it seemed that many were starting to agree) and they would all think like I do (i.e. if I say it in a bit exaggerating way: that Frodo giving any hints is a suicide for him, resp. "wolficide"), you could seem suspicious if you proposed the other opinion, wouldn't you? So that's basically what I meant (by this thing whose basis I said several Days ago ).

Anyway, I see the mass-posting time is coming, so I'm off to finish reading the thread. Hope to be able to join you people in the "present" in a few hours at most.

[Nerwen]

I spent too long on this, and I'm not sure it's all that useful. But here it is anyway:

Note: only relevant sections are quoted/cited.

Part One: La-la-la-I'm-Not-Listening

#324.Nogrod makes a case on Durelin based on her Ranger-like IC posting at start of Day One.

#325.

Originally Posted by Rikae

6) It was an IC post. And, lo and behold, Durelin's character is:
"Durelin - Big person dark, mysterious, hooded and cloaked figure".

A joke, no more significant than in that long-ago game when someone chose "weaver" as his occupation. That's how I took it, that's how I'm pretty sure everybody took it (including the wraiths), and that's how I suspect Dury expected it to be taken.

#329, #332, #347. Greenie, Lommy and Mac all point out that Nogrod's case doesn't make sense.

#348. Nogrod continues to find Durelin evil; has missed the point about her posting IC.

#363. Durelin posts IC.

#366.Durelin lists people who “bother" her (Brinn, me, Rikae, Nogrod and Fea) for various reasons.

#367. Fea complains about Durelin's IC posting.

#368. More IC posting from Durelin. This is perverse of her and probably helped get her killed. Note, however, that she only posted a few sentences.

#371.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I'm very tempted to vote Dury as I don't know what she's playing at. I feel like the Ranger wouldn't make a point of making herself wraith-bait.

#372. Mirandir agrees with Fea.

#373. Lari puts forward the theory that Kitanna would have made Durelin's hooded and cloaked character a wraith rather than a ranger.

#374. Nogrod agree with Fea that Dury and Rikae are not behaving like innocents.

#375.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Fea, you seem off to me. You go back and forth between a knowing hush-hush to "we should talk about all the roles", and you're nearly as jumpy as Nogrod when it comes to conspiracy theories. Overall you're being rather boring, especially for you.

#377.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

It's occurred to me that I want to sacrifice a fellow wolf every time I play an evil role. But there never seems to be any support from my colleagues...

++Durelin

Support my vote if you want.

If Durelin had turned out to be a wolf... er, wraith, I'd have called that the worst slip ever. As it is, I don't know what she meant.

#378.Lari speculates that Durelin could be Evil Frodo, trying to get the wraiths to kill him at Night.

#379.

Originally Posted by Durelin

If you think I'm a suicidal baddy (who could have easily "flown under the radar" as many put it), so be it. You all deserved more of my foolishness after being so foolish yourselves, thinking my character-role was anything else.

#382.Nogrod says he is a bit reluctant to lynch Durelin, but might still do it. He asks if there are enough people to lynch Fea.

Part Two: The Fea Fan-Club to the Rescue!

And this is where it gets even weirder. Rune, Lari and possibly Mira act as though they have to save Fea from the lynch mob, even though she has no votes, and I think Nog's was the first mention of lynching her.

#384.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Stop this nonsense!

Fea is just like an independent candidate, too good to be voted for!

#387.

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

So where did this "lynch Fea" thing come into play? Not that I'm defending her, it just seems to be, well, really spontanious and not right. And I can't spell.

#392. Durelin discusses Day One votes. Doesn't like Brinniel's, Nerwen's, A Little Green's, Sally's, or Fea's.

#393.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

I love it when we decide to randomly lynch Fea! *throws a party*

#394. Brinn comments that she has been suspecting Fea all day.

#395.(replying to Durelin)

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

You're talking yesterday, obviously, since tonight my goal was actually to get you killed...

#396. Beregond comments that he "took the ranger comment as nothing but IC".

#397.Rune says he feels like lynching Agan or Durelin.

#398.(replying to Mirandir's comment at #393).

Originally Posted by Nogrod

WE might do it for a reason as well...

#400.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Did I mention that I really do not want Fea to die. . . . ?

#402.Lari votes Durelin: "I know its IC voting, but part of me thinks that putting her as a wolf would have been genius."

#403.Fea says Durelin should be posting content, not just in character narration.

#405.Rune votes Durelin (no reason given– apparently to save Fea).

#406. Mirandir votes Durelin: "Posting IC 40 minutes before deadline seems like a strange move, and it makes me very suspicious."

#407. Brinn votes Fea.

#409. Mac votes Durelin (no reason given).

#410.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I have no really good explanation for voting Durlein other than she seem slightly off. . .and that I really want to keep fea in the game.

#412. Durelin votes Mac.

#413. Brinniel say she does not like "this Durelin bandwagon".

#415. Nogrod votes Durelin.

Comments: Mac's vote is probably self defence, as I think he had two or three votes himself at that point. The reasons for the other votes boil down to: "we must save Fea!" and "Durelin's pretending to be the Ranger! Get her!"

Nogrod (known innocent) started the case on Dury, Fea seized on it, and Lari and Mira followed Fea, and then Rune joined in when the idea of lynching Fea came up.

Early in the piece, everyone was told that Durelin was simply playing a character she had described before the roles were given out. They... well, basically, they just didn't care. (Lari's theory involved a plot by Kitanna.)

Durelin did contribute to her downfall a bit by going on with the IC posting... but there were actually only a couple of posts like that, and she made other comments.

Conclusion: Fea is probably evil, and seems to have led the lynch-mob, but is more likely Ferny than a wraith. (Although she might be a wraith pretending to be Ferny, in the hope that the Seer won't dream her, or we won't bother lynching her, or something.)

I still can't tell whether Lari and Mira are acting more like manipulated newbies or like newbie wolves. And I have no idea what Rune was thinking of, except that he did mention he was drunk.

So... yeah. That was weird.

EDIT: fixed quotes.
EDIT2: paraphrased for easier reading. X'd with lots of people.
EDIT3:fixed bolding.

[Macalaure]

First I think I should explain my commentless vote yesterDay. At some point yesterDay I was no longer able to think and make cases against who I would prefer to lynch. I just kept on reading along and see what I would have to do to survive. Then, about 15 minutes before the deadline, the posts were coming so quick that I was not able to catch up anymore and barely remembered in the last minute that I still had to vote. I did not suspect Durelin, but I also didn't think that she was gifted, so she was the logical choice.

Now, with a wake mind, what the ?? was that yesterDay?

--The madness seems to have started just after my last real post, when Durelin reappeared and acted weirdly.
--Fea jumps on her for IC posting, which is fair, but what she makes out of that later is unreasonable. #371 does not strike me as something an innocent would have posted. It looks as if she realised that, with all the talk about Durelin that Nogrod initiated, Durelin would make a good bandwaggon, if set up properly.
--Mirandir goes with Fea immediately. Lariren's following list has Durelin as neutral. Nogrod gives some points, Rune a list of unrelated comments.
--Fea votes Durelin.
--Lariren picks up on Nogrod's comments. Brinn talks about her suspicions, crossing with the approaching Durelin-waggon. Nogrod is reluctant to vote Durelin and considers Fea.
--Rune defends her immediately - and fiercely, considering that only one person mentions the idea. Menel doesn't know what's going on and Rikae rants a little bit. Lariren defends Fea right away, too. The way #387 is phrased is suspicious ("not that I'm defending her"). After some points of Durelin, Mirandir jokes about lynching Fea randomly, which of course is a defense in disguise. Brinn states that she was suspicious of Fea before already. Beregond makes a long list a few minutes before deadline (make those earlier: nobody will be able to read them at this point).
--Rune states he'd like to lynch Aganzir or Durelin. Nogrod restates that he'd have reasons to lynch Fea and Rune defends her again.
--Lariren votes Durelin, and this vote really looks like either an ordo that lets herself be way to much influenced by a recently started bandwaggon, or a baddie following another baddies lead.
--Nogrod is confused and Rune votes Durelin, as does Mirandir. Rune's vote is commentless, but goes in line with previous comments. Mirandir's vote looks like Lari's.
--Brinn votes Fea and complains. I vote Durelin.
--Rune chips in a comment about Durelin, his only on why she is suspicious to him, and it looks as bad as Mirandir's and Lari's.
--Durelin votes me and Brinn complains some more, a bit late, if you ask me.
--Nogrod votes past the deadline and Beregond shows sense.
--Rune adds more nonsense about saving Fea and Brinn criticises him duly.

And half of this happened in 10 minutes....

Fea looks a bit like an evil mastermind. She puts the bandwaggon on its rails and does not hesitate about it one second, despite very questionable grounds.
Mirandir and Lari - synchronised werewolfing? They both make a list shortly before things get rolling, and neither suspects Durelin. They both defend Fea, they both change their minds on Durelin, they both make a very similar vote post. It is inconceivable that this was planned, so not both of them are wraiths. A wraith-cobbler combo is possible. Newbieness exonerates Mirandir a little, but Lari gets no such bonus anymore.
Rune's desire to save Fea is out of proportion. Mirandir and Lari are her RL friends, so it's more understandable. I thought that maybe Rune was the seer and dreamt of Fea, but no way would a seer risk himself when his innocent dream is not challenged seriously, which Fea wasn't. Also, if he wanted to save Fea, why go after Durelin? Even if he knew about Fea's innocence, he must've realised that the reasons against Durelin were ridiculous. I remember that he stated something about "experienced players should know better". He is more than experienced enough to know that you lynch the people who act suspicious, not the people who act weird. Stupid lynches like that happen way to often. I suspect that Rune and Fea are companions.
Rikae and especially Brinn take the role of the voice of reason. I believe they are innocent. They could be smart wraiths, but for now, I don't think so.

Alright, and now I have some free memory for other people's comments today, as well as the earlier happenings yesterday, and why in Arda the wraiths chose Nogrod.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Actually, now that you mention it, I must say that suggestion of Brinn's was a bit weird. It does not make much sense - I wonder if the explanation is that Brinn was too tired when she was posting or that she's a baddie trying to mislead us?

Well yes, I was tired...after all it was 4am. But I don't think my suggestion was that weird. I agree your ranger suggestion is better though. But what makes you so sure the wraiths didn't think he was Frodo?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

However what makes you think they thought he was Frodo? Personally I didn't see anything that would have indicated it, apart from him commenting on a post by only saying Precious! on day one.

I didn't see anything in particular that would indicate it either, but it's possible the wraiths did. For one thing, I'm not sure there's even a specific way on how Frodo would act; I think it would partly depend on whether Frodo would rather be turned or lynched.

EDIT: X-ed with Lari and Mac

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I still can't tell whether Lari and Mira are acting more like manipulated newbies or like newbie wolves.

Well, I was a newbie wolf last game(and this is clearly not going to help my case) but I played it differently.

Part of my suspicion was also that she was still in character posting when pretty much everyone else had stopped.

Now if we were to try to lynch Fea toDay, I'd be more for it than anyone else(unless maybe Mac or Rikae because, well, Mac has been sort of saved twice now and some of Rikae's posts are making me wonder).

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Lariren's following list has Durelin as neutral.

Did I? I didn't really mean for it to be neutral sounding. I pretty much didn't have that many others to go on. Hence my vote.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right. This goes slower than I anticipated. For now, I will post some comments on what happened since I posted the last on Day 1. I have not read yet the rest, so it is possible I say something which is already "outdated" (had been discussed since then) and possible I will change my opinions on something later. However, still better that I post something now than only later.

MY THOUGHTS IN THIS POST, SUMMED UP (i.e. whoever does not want to read through all this, may as well read just this and get the main points):

Menel looks like his normal self, whatever that is, but he may be innocent. He likely IS innocent, actually.
I don't see anything so suspicious about Brinn.
Fea looks to me like a Cobbler;
and Mac still like a possible Wraith.
Sally cannot be well defined.
Rikae looks innocent to me.
Rune is a bit sleeping under my reindeer, but whatever. He may be innocent: most of his posts are innocent-like, however they are of the "detached" sort - they often have little to do with game itself, but are turning around people's RL actions, which I think is nothing that concerns the topic of who is the Wolf.
Nerwen looks sometimes innocent, but may be a well-calculating Wolf. (Something a bit like what Aganzir often is.)
It is hard about Mira, there is a possibility of a newbie wolf, but not really anything too suspicious here in truth.

***
Now starts the "boring" part. ( ) Some various replies and things I replied to as I went through the thread, some more important, some less, whatever:

Rikae, 152:

Originally Posted by Rikae

For what it's worth, I, at least, play the role given to me, idealistic though that may be. Regardless of what side he's on, Frodo is not a werebear, out for himself. Ordos work for the village's benefit, so as long as he is one, that's the side he has to play, even if it makes things more difficult later. Don't you think I might love to assign myself the role of unofficial cobbler (in all the games I've played, I've never once been a cobbler)? Only the moddess can tell us for sure, but it seems to me like Frodo turning "cobbler" before he's been turned into a wraith isn't really playing fair.

That is very true, and that's what I thought as well. However...

Originally Posted by Rikae

Of course, Frodo may have good reasons to keep quiet for the time being - but if he's going to play his ordo role to the best of his ability, he might want to think about playing in such a way as to trap his possible future wraith self (who knows, maybe he's smart enough to outfox himself, and the rest of us, in the end, anyway).

However, this still does not make sense to me the way you keep repeating it. Frodo most certainly should stay low, as long as possible, try to be helpful for the village, yes, but revealing plainly on Day 1 is a nonsense - cf. what Brinn said:

#149

Originally Posted by Brinn

Okay, I find anyone who thinks that Frodo would even consider sacrificing himself at this early stage a bit idealistic. Whoever is Frodo signed up for this game because they want to play...it'd certainly be no fun to give up and reveal from Day 1. I'd think our Frodo would want to have more fun with the role than that. Also, once Frodo is changed, he is on the side of the wraiths. A lynching after he has changed could mean a loss for the wraiths. And why would anyone want to lose?

I said the same thing already and I am repeating it here. Just coming, revealing oneself for the good of the village and dying, okay, great, but poor the player. That was some role.

And Fea just does not help me at all. I still suspect her. Her list posted without any explanations for those she finds suspicious, and her explanations at those she does not want to vote are not much better either... those for Rikae and Mac, I mean.

Originally Posted by Fea

Rikae (she's trying too persistently to draw attention to herself; I shan't give it )
Mac (he's interesting to have around later)

Beregond #157

Originally Posted by Beregond

As a newbie I'm trying not to make the easy vote, but... I have to rely, to some extent, on the opinions of others, as I don't want to lynch one of the good guys in an effort to be different. So I'm going to wait a while yet before I make my vote.

Hmm. I actually wonder if Beregond is not trying to hide behind his newbieshness now. But whatever...


Mac #162

Originally Posted by Mac

Fea - to much fun to have around to vote without reason

That is nice, and perfectly understandable if you want to have somebody around because they are fun to play with. But in the light of what I think about Fea (cobbler), it is not as fun, and mainly, what Mac says is a very easy excuse for not voting Fea. "To vote without reason" - so you can say all the time from now, that you do not have yet the reason to vote her, and therefore keep her around. Of course. A Wraith would like to keep Ferny around, and if possible, without overtly defending him - so this way is the best way one could do that.

I like Nerwen (post 167), though it is true she may be a calculative wolf, trying to appear like a good and innocent person in the eyes of the others. Which I could expect from her - if she is one.

I like Brinn's comments on Frodo (168), although it is just more of a "fair play" style and it has little to do with the in-game thing itself, so it looks more like a question of opinion (on how one should handle the Frodo role, that is). But anyway...

Okay, Rune (170) acts kind of weird against Brinn, I think, these RL reasons... though I don't believe a Wolf would use such "unfair" tactics to make Brinn being suspected... so it looks to me that Rune would be likely innocent. It is explainable that he wants to stab Brinn with a rusty knife after her last WW performance.

Menel looks innocent.

What does not help Fea in my eyes is her vote on Day 1 (178):

Originally Posted by Fea

Following Rune for Brinn- I'm terrified of this girl no matter what team she's on. I won't have her slip past me in this game. Sorry, hun.

This is so obvious jumping on a bandwagon that one can hardly think otherwise of Fea than "Ferny!".

And however reasonably questioned by Mac, there is some truth in Menel's comment on Mac's list of people (179):

Originally Posted by Mac

Excuse me? I can see how people could regard me as suspicious at this point, but that reasoning is ridiculous...

Sally looks... weird, mainly her list of people she suspected on Day 1 is strangely mixed of people who seem fishy (Mac, Agan, possibly Brinn - in the sense that she is suspected enough for it to be understandable to put her on the list) and people who are relatively normal (Rikae or Nog).

Nerwen #184 looks more unnerving - it looks like listing the people everybody wants to lynch, sometimes for quite easy reasons (Gollum), so really giving herself a relatively wide choice (it won't be even a problem to incorporate some wolf into the lot, still she could choose some of the others).

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'm thinking of voting:

Mac –because his stuff about Ferny's role looks unpleasantly like either a hint from Ferny to the Wraiths or one from the Wraiths to Ferny. This is what I thought myself while reading the post, before I saw other people's comments.

Gollum for random voting and way to much empty banter.

Aganzir for random voting and going on about Frodo.

Brinn for defensiveness and for that post where she seems (following Rikae's comment at #180) to be giving instructions to a would-be wraith Frodo.

What is worrying me, though, is that any of these four could be called an easy lynch.. and nobody seems to be trying to save any of them.

I might also add Rikae for acting like a cobbler at times, therefore possibly Ferny– however, she's made that point on Brinn which is quite good, and certainly better than the actual reasons people have voted her.

If I understood it right, most of the suspicions against Brinn (from everybody) stem basically from the fact that she was such a succesful wolf in the last game. Nerwen looks just like feeding Rune's (perhaps genuine) worry about this. Also, Nerwen does not forget to add this "but oh poor them, nobody defends them". Pretty well imaginable as a wolfy thing to do, to appear as a concerned innocent.

Me not like this.

Originally Posted by Mirandir

So far no one is sticking out as obviously needing to be killed toDay. There's not enough evidence due to lack of posting by some parties and others I just don't know what to make of. However, Lommy's flipflopping has been bothering me for the past few pages and thus has my vote.

Mira's reason for voting Lommy is also of the "simple" sort. I think he (is it he?) has not played much (or is it his[?] first game?) yet, and saying "Lommy flipflopping" sounds like something he(?) could have heard, as that is happening, and it could be well a good reason to backup the vote with, for a newbie WW. However, funny thing - his vote is almost identical with that of Shasta who, as we know, is dead.

Rikae looks overall innocent to me, despite I can see there may be things looking suspicious on her, I don't think they are anything more than her own opinion. Rikae looks innocent to me.

Sally - 193: I don't like that either:

Originally Posted by Sally

Brinn: Could be. Very well could be. But her suspiciousness (if that's even a word) could just be stress since she says she's been having a rough day or two. Perhaps we should give her the benefit for toDay? We'll see.

Anybody cares to tell me what is so suspicious about Brinn, except the fact that she's been a succesful wolf in some of the past games?

But on the other hand, Sally seems like just Sally at times, so hard to say. Her reason for voting him rather than Brinn or Lommy is not necessary a suspicious thing, quite the opposite - and especially if it turns out Mac is a Wolf.

Mac:

Originally Posted by Mac

I guess Legate was right about starting a bandwaggon. I don't see his vote suspicious at all, but the reasons of Menel (Mac doesn't have any suspects), Beregond (simply quoting what everybody has been calling suspicious all day), and Sally (he's off) are just bad.

Possibly, but I don't see the people's votes - Menel and Beregond, and not even Sally, for that matter, at least - being that bad.

Well, as for the Gollum lynch at the end of the Day 1: Mac has a logical reason to wish to lynch Gollum (be he a Wolf or not), as for others, on first sight, of course it was wrong (as it showed later), but explainable. So, nothing much special in there for me on first sight.

[Aganzir]

Hello I just came home, have a horrible headache & need to leave in a few hours because of going to theatre with my Swedish group (ewrgh). I also have two papers to write for tomorrow which means I'm not going to be too loud today.

Off to read yesterday's posts.

Originally Posted by Brinn

This may be a stupid question, but were you talking about Lommy or Greenie here? I want to say the latter, but I'm not actually sure..

Lommy. Greenie was you and Lommy was she.

1..2..3.. ... ..9..10.
*breaths deep*

Originally Posted by Lommy

I still think her style is a curious mixture of her relaxed, bantery and nit-picky ordo-style and her careful, detached wolf-style - exactly what I'd expect from her after a long pause from being a wolf.

My playing style changes. Depending on my mood. Depending on how tired, busy, whatever, I am in real life. I am annoyed that you give the impression, accidentally or not, it doesn't matter, that's how you come across, of being able to read me perfectly just because we know each other in RL. I am annoyed of you comparing me to previous games and telling what I would do as a wolf or ordo or gifted or whatever.
And I admit I probably wouldn't be so annoyed if it was someone else but you.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Also, she tends to get annoyed at me but she feels jumpier than normally.

What's normally? Last time we played you said exactly the same. And the time before... And...

Originally Posted by Lommy

And if you want me to, I can admit this vote is also partly because I currently feel we two just can't play ww together, at least not this way.

Me too. Maybe it was better if we simply concentrated on other people instead of each other as long as possible. I can't remember when we last did not have a quarrel.

And I'm not going to go through your posts, at least for now. I don't find it necessary. Because I simply can't believe you would go after me with such reasons if you were a wolf.

Okay onto other things.

Originally Posted by Nog

She's no gifted because that's a bit too daring for a gifted to do.

Well I disagree. If the main goal for a gifted is to survive, then it might be daring. But if a gifted wants to have some fun, see if xe is caught, then it'd be alright. I would find that a funny thing to do as a gifted.

I don't know why but Mira has started to bother me a little. I might want to read through her posts when I have time.
And now I read Lari's summary and it's the same with her.
I am also getting a bad feeling about Rune. He annoys me & doesn't make sense. Okay, it might be because he was drunk yesterday but still.

To be honest I have no idea why you ended up lynching Durelin. Mira's vote (or the reasoning for it) seems the most suspicious to me but I need to read her posts before forming a proper opinion.

Originally Posted by Brinn

the wraiths thought he might be Frodo and didn't want to risk losing their Ringbearer through a lynching.

Rather they wouldn't have wanted him to reveal and be either a known innocent or a missed kill at night & sure lynch the following day, had he been the RB. However what makes you think they thought he was Frodo? Personally I didn't see anything that would have indicated it, apart from him commenting on a post by only saying Precious! on day one.

I think Lommy's idea of the wraiths thinking Nog was the real ranger is a good one.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

My playing style changes. Depending on my mood. Depending on how tired, busy, whatever, I am in real life. I am annoyed that you give the impression, accidentally or not, it doesn't matter, that's how you come across, of being able to read me perfectly just because we know each other in RL. I am annoyed of you comparing me to previous games and telling what I would do as a wolf or ordo or gifted or whatever.
And I admit I probably wouldn't be so annoyed if it was someone else but you.

It's good that you admit it because I haven't seen you reacting that way to anyone else's comments of your playing style... And if it helps you, I can once again underline the fact that I don't want people to trust my judgement on you any more than anyone else's.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What's normally? Last time we played you said exactly the same. And the time before... And...

Touché, you're probably right. Okay, jumpyness excused.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Maybe it was better if we simply concentrated on other people instead of each other as long as possible. I can't remember when we last did not have a quarrel.

Well but once we've had the quarrel, we tend to be able to be civil to each other, so I'm not going to ignore you, at least (even if it means another quarrel, I think I will be able to stay calm-ish)...

I find it funny how Mac goes from claiming Fea's guilt to claiming her innocence within a few hours. (But it does make sense, so it makes me amused more than suspicious. )

But what makes you so sure the wraiths didn't think he was Frodo?

Well, I haven't read his posts very precisely, but at least his talk about the RB role on Day1 looked rather un-Frodoish to me.


edit: xed with everybody since my last

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Lommy

(Of course, he could be a wraith who just wants to keep Fea around... but I doubt a wraith would be so reckless.)

Some would. I did exactly that once as a wolf. However, I think you're probably right in thinking Rune most likely wouldn't.

Originally Posted by Lommy

As for Fea... a tougher nut to crack. But what Mac says about her makes sense. I would be willing to give her the benefit of doubt (for toDay at least). I think what Mac says as for her being a wraith solidifies my view of her as a non-wraith, but I'm not convinced of his reasoning why she's not Ferny. Who says the wraiths know Ferny's identity?

What that Mac says? Do you mean this?

Originally Posted by Mac

Given how easily Fea gets herself lynched, there could be merit to the set-up idea. Killing Nogrod would give the wraiths an easy day. In any case: why would Fea want to kill Nogrod? She cannot be more than Ferny. Would the wraiths set up their cobbler like that, though?

I don't see why Fea wouldn't kill Nogrod. First of all, like I said to Lari, I don't see how it sets her up. Secondly, if Fea is a wraith, she's a wraith who decided her time in the village was limited anyway, so she might as well go out in a blaze of glory, incriminating as many innocents as she could and making her companions look good. She would have expected to be a top lynch candidate toDay anyway, so the way the kill reflected on her wouldn't have been a consideration.
If she's a cobbler, it's much the same situation. Now Mac, Lari and Lommy have all repeated this assumption that Fea is only suspicious because Nog died. Utter nonsense! I, for one, was ready to lynch Fea before deadline fell yesterDay (and would have switched my vote, had I been on my own computer instead of Mac's laptop. I can't type fast on that thing.) Nog's death doesn't even make Fea more suspicious. The most a living Nog would have done is offered a runner-up to Fea in lynchability, and he had a built-in excuse (Lommy's comment about drinking too much wine).

Now you're all making me talk about Fea more.