Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[satansaloser2005]

Well, I would just like to say that I thoroughly enjoy having my laptop back. It's so nice to not be on some rubbish machine from the Dark Ages, but instead to be on my lovely Hunter with his bright shiny screen and....oh, I dunno....working internet connection. I'm happy he's all better. It means I can at least attempt to play properly!


Sorry. Slight euphoria going on over here, that's all.


I'm again concerned by Brinn and Phantom's votes. Now I realize Phantom was being silly (and he did explain himself toDay) but that's two Days in a row in which Brinn has influenced the....oh my giddy aunt. Phantom may be right. And if anyone makes sense for the double vote power, it's her.

"Let me explain. No, there is too little time. Let me sum up."

I know I'm a bit thick but go with me on this one. Day One it was a tie between Gwath and Fea. Brinn put in her vote for Gwath at the last minute, and Gwath was the unfortunate loser of the tie. (What if it really wasn't a tie?) Day Two Izzy was technically ahead, but Brinn put in her vote for Noggie and he somehow managed to perish. (What if she pushed the vote into a tie?) I'm just saying. Shasta didn't mention a tie on the second Day, but if that's the case he wouldn't anyway, since it's a secret role.

Does that make sense to anyone else? Or should I don a white straitjacket and take Hunter to the happy home to post for the rest of the Day?


EDIT: x'd with Phantom

EDIT again: I kind of messed something up, so I had to sort of do the post over. Sorry if it's a tad different.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Sally

Or should I don a white straitjacket and take Hunter to the happy home to post for the rest of the Day?

Sweetheart, Nerwen's dead.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Sweetheart, Nerwen's dead.

Never said she wasn't, love. What's your point?


Heh, yeah Izzy, I had the same reaction. To be honest, I'm really upset that Noggie got lynched instead of you, but happy you're still alive. Does that make sense?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Now I realize Phantom was being silly (and he did explain himself toDay) but that's two Days in a row in which Brinn has influenced the....oh my giddy aunt. Phantom may be right. And if anyone makes sense for the double vote power, it's her.

If you think Brinniel is the WQ, which is what I surmise from your post, why are you talking about it openly?

Originally Posted by Mnemo

Nothing; just a bit of punnery. Under different circumstances that would've looked like a veiled reveal.

Either that or it was a veiled reveal. *mutters darkly*

Would anybody at all be surprised if Sally wasn't being wholly innocent in her flippant remarks?

---

Oh yeah-

Shasta:

++MITH

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Originally Posted by Brinn

I think Sally was talking about her computer. Yes, apparently she has a name for her computer. Though strange that of all names, it is called Hunter...

Precisely. My computer is named Joe, and who would normally care? But if I was playing in a werewolf game where there was a role called 'Joe,' I wouldn't run around shouting about Joe unless I wanted people to notice and think about it.

Originally Posted by Rikae

why on earth is everyone suddenly treating Izzy as if she is some sort of known innocent?

I'm not. I landed on her through process of elimination, fair and square, and nothing has happened since I voted for her to make me think she's squeaky clean. So while I'm perfectly willing to change my vote if I run into a better one, she's still fair game. I think it's downright strange how she escaped the noose.

*watches people in the library boredly*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Upon reflection, my last post seems more grouchy than usual. I apologize for its tone, and beg understanding of my idiot body's inability to function without real food at frequent intervals. I shouldn't post at all until after balanced meals.

[Durelin]

Okay, here is what I was typing up yesterDay to post when my *insert expletives here* internet died on me...

Originally Posted by ME

So, here are some random suspicion lists I came up with while showering:

Possible Baddies:
Lariren - Seems generally defensive
the phantom - I think he's being subtly bold. Kath said "he's too laid back, too not involved to be something important" and that's basically why I suspect him a bit. I think the manipulating will come when it needs to, and otherwise he's playing it cool. But what does that mean? Not sure.
Izzy -
Mnemosyne - She seems like the perfect grizzly. I have no idea why.

In the middle leaning towards baddie:
Brinniel
Eonwe
Mirandir

Probable Innocents:
Fea - I think.
Kath - She is the same Kath as always, whether good or bad, except a little flippant, so I think she's good.
Nogrod - As Fea described him as "obsessive," I think he's innocent. I think he plays it more smoothly and less on emotion when bad. Though actually I think he would be a good cobbler candidate.

Have no idea:
Sally
wilwa
Hansy

So yeah. I echo Fea. Nogrod?! And phantom, I have never seen more of a BS explanation for a vote.

Remember how I said the manipulating would come? Well look what happened yesterDay!

++the phantom

Even if I'm wrong, and he's not a werecreature, he deserves it for all this saving people nonsense.

I guess I wouldn't mind seeing Sally go at this point, either, but I like her more. And (fiiine, I'll give a legitimate reason here) I feel more certain at this point about phantom.

I have to go to class soon so I will explain/argue more my points about phantom later, promise. Hopefully not too much later.

[Durelin]

Sally is acting really weird (just went over toDay's posts more), but I am always more inclined to lean towards the sneakier seeming person (and I mean, it's Sally...acting weird....). I think she can keep it cool when she wants to, regardless of how boundless her insanity is.

Brinniel I have no idea.

And I don't want to focus just on them, because that's stupid.

I'm mostly going to focus on phantom. I can only hope he doesn't enjoy it too much.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Sally is acting really weird (just went over toDay's posts more), but I am always more inclined to lean towards the sneakier seeming person (and I mean, it's Sally...acting weird....). I think she can keep it cool when she wants to, regardless of how boundless her insanity is.

Brinniel I have no idea.

And I don't want to focus just on them, because that's stupid.

I'm mostly going to focus on phantom. I can only hope he doesn't enjoy it too much.

Aw shanks, love. I'm glad you're aware of my weirdness which, I assure you, is for a darn good reason. Well, a darn good reason if you're a villager, that is. If you're a wolfie you may not appreciate it, but I'm not all that much of a people pleaser if you haven't noticed.


And you know he'll enjoy it.


I've got an hour and a half before I'm to see a man about a duck....erm, I mean a duck about lunch. *shifty eyes* I'll get to my Willa analysis now, although I'll probably have a look at Durie too just to see what I find. Not sure which I'll get done first, so if it ends up being Durie don't be too surprised. Back soon I hope!

[Durelin]

Oh. I forgot there was a cobbler in this game.

[Hansy]

Double fail for me... Mira was innocent, and Nogrod was the ranger. Probably it's better for everyone if I stick with other people's suspicions, since mine are downright disastrous.

I'll try to work something out from the voting yesterday, at least... seems it's been figured why Nogrod was lynched instead of Izzy.
(also, it's two days in a row that people go voting who I did after I go to bed... it happened with Fea, then again with Nogrod. Weird, at least )

[Hansy]

Most of this stuff is taken out of Day 2, maybe I've mixed some ideas in, but at this moment that's what I've analyzed. If it doesn't take too long, I'm re-reading Day 3 today, but I don't think it's happening.

Durelin - Right now, who I'm more confident of their innocence. Seems the most sincere to me.
Feanor of the Peredhil - For someone as strong-minded as her, getting a vote from narrowing down the player list is kind of strange... she didn't stand out anymore, that adds to my suspicions.
Isabellkya - I'd still go innocent for her; she's usually more agressive when she plays evil. So I like the general smooth appearance of her.
the phantom & Brinniel - Seeing them both involved on Gwath's and Nogrod's lynches, they barely interacted with each other, I'd think this is a good shot on a evil duo... You could throw in Fea here, maybe Day 1's occurance was meant to make her look worse, I don't know.
satansaloser2005 - She's playing it different than last game; I can't relate her with anyone, but I can't stop thinking she's evil. Add Eomer's death, you have your Black Queen. Do us all a favor and kill that black bishop/rook tonight. If you don't, they'll outnumber everyone soon anyway, giving you no room.
Lariren Shadow - Went back from "probably innocent" to "I have no idea". Her posts weren't conclusive enough for me, they were giving mixed impressions.
wilwarin538 - When she posted her list on day 2 I agreed with most of her points, from what I've seen I'm not worried so far, if she's a wolf it's playing the backup member or something.
Rikae - Her reasoning is, well, reasonable all the time. I don't know how she plays evil, but this Rikae looks more or less like the innocent Rikae from last game.
Eonwe - Just didn't see enough, though I remember him raising my eyebrow on Day 1.
Mnemosyne - Now I'm starting to worry about her.. when Izzy asked her about the "Who're we killing today?" bit she said right after Night 2, it could be taken as a cobbler hinting to the wolves.
Kath - Nothing stands out from what I've seen, really. Overall innocent feeling.

So, summary:

More Evil: TP, Sally
Less Evil: Nemo, Brinn
I don't know: Eonwe, Fea, Lari
Less Innocent: Kath, Izzy
More Innocent: Durelin, Rikae, Wilva

++The Phantom

[satansaloser2005]

Hansy's analysis of a few people, put in italics, followed by my reaction in regular type. Does not necessarily reflect my opinion of the players he's analyzing, but rather my comment on his logic. Thanks for listening, and enjoy my post.


Durelin - Right now, who I'm more confident of their innocence. Seems the most sincere to me.

Just to point it out for you, Durie's a girl. Just so you know. She does indeed seem sincere, but just because she seems sincere and kind doesn't mean she's innocent, so keep that in mind.

Feanor of the Peredhil - For someone as strong-minded as her, getting a vote from narrowing down the player list is kind of strange... she didn't stand out anymore, that adds to my suspicions.

So Fea's not Fea enough for you? Erm....okay? So she's not allowed to be logical now, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Don't worry, Fea, we all still love you, even if you go sane on us.

Isabellkya - I'd still go innocent for her; she's usually more agressive when she plays evil. So I like the general smooth appearance of her.

But players change styles, so saying that she is acting normally is saying nothing, especially for a good player like Izzy.

the phantom & Brinniel - Seeing them both involved on Gwath's and Nogrod's lynches, they barely interacted with each other, I'd think this is a good shot on a evil duo... You could throw in Fea here, maybe Day 1's occurance was meant to make her look worse, I don't know.

I won't really disagree with this, but both of them voting for the same people doesn't mean they're on the evil team together. Maybe a bishop/rook and a cobbler, Queen and cobbler, or Queen and bishop/rook, but Brinn and Phantom are, at least in my opinion, too smooth to be that obvious, especially when they could have let Fea die (I know Brinn's cool with throwing her packmates under the bus and I'm sure Phantom would be too, which of course isn't to speak ill of them) and gone on about their business.

satansaloser2005 - She's playing it different than last game; I can't relate her with anyone, but I can't stop thinking she's evil. Add Eomer's death, you have your Black Queen. Do us all a favor and kill that black bishop/rook tonight. If you don't, they'll outnumber everyone soon anyway, giving you no room.

Now I don't mind being suspected, but this is rather silly. Hun, of course I am playing differently from last game. Last game I was evil, this game I'm not. And how does Eomer's death implicate me? I mean yes, he voted me, but believe me, I'm rarely that transparent with my kills. Besides, I would rather have taken out other players of whom I was afraid, or whom I thought would be a good no-trace kill. Eomer's not my kill style (not that you'll believe me, of course, and I wouldn't expect you to) so his death tells you nothing. However, I'd love to help you get rid of the black bishop or black rook. Even the Queen, if I can manage it. Just give me a bit more time and I can guarantee I'll be able to help the village.

Lariren Shadow - Went back from "probably innocent" to "I have no idea". Her posts weren't conclusive enough for me, they were giving mixed impressions.

Okay....not much to say if he doesn't have anything really to say.

wilwarin538 - When she posted her list on day 2 I agreed with most of her points, from what I've seen I'm not worried so far, if she's a wolf it's playing the backup member or something.

Or she's playing it carefully. Remember that a good wolf knows who to suspect in order to look good, if that makes any sense at all, and just because you agree with someone doesn't mean they're innocent.

Rikae - Her reasoning is, well, reasonable all the time. I don't know how she plays evil, but this Rikae looks more or less like the innocent Rikae from last game.

Dude, a reasonable Rikae is an evil Rikae. They're all evil Rikaes. Seriously though, Rikae's always fairly reasonable, at least in her arguments, even if she acts like a complete whackjob.

Eonwe - Just didn't see enough, though I remember him raising my eyebrow on Day 1.

Understandable. He's not been around a whole lot.

Mnemosyne - Now I'm starting to worry about her.. when Izzy asked her about the "Who're we killing today?" bit she said right after Night 2, it could be taken as a cobbler hinting to the wolves.

Doubtful. Mnemo's just playful like that. She could be evil in some form, but I doubt that would be one of the indicators of her role.

Kath - Nothing stands out from what I've seen, really. Overall innocent feeling.

Again, nothing really said, so nothing to say.

Originally Posted by Hansy

++The Phantom

Bwah?!!?!?!?!??


EDIT: x'd since my last

[satansaloser2005]

I wouldn't be happy about it, but if it would relieve the tie situation I suppose I could switch to Brinn. However, Hansy is my first priority so I'd have to be more convinced about her guilt (and have a guarantee that she would 'win' the lynch) before I would retract and vote her. Basically it's not going to happen, but like I said, I freaking hate ties.

[Mnemosyne]

To Sally:

Yeah, and the thing is, since this is my first game I don't know if my vibes are accurate or not. I reread all of Brinn's posts and really the only thing that I find iffy about her is how her votes have both ended up being quite powerful--which is no evidence at all!

I'd like to hear some defense from Hansy. Will look at his posts in more detail as he's another vibey sort.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Mnemo

See, the thing is I could totally see phantom Night One being like, "Let's always vote the same way every Day! No one will suspect us!" And he'd be able to pull it off, too.

If you knew me at all, then you'd know I never take orders from the phantom. The minute he starts to boss me around, I cover my ears and scream, "NO!"

Yeah, that's just how I am.

[Brinniel]

And before I forget:

++Nilp

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

If you knew me at all, then you'd know I never take orders from the phantom. The minute he starts to boss me around, I cover my ears and scream, "NO!"

Yeah, that's just how I am.

Heh. She has a point.

[Hansy]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

I'd like to hear some defense from Hansy. Will look at his posts in more detail as he's another vibey sort.

Defense from what? Sally's entitled to her opinion on my logic, I don't think I have much to say about it. Most of her reactions are based on her previous knowledge of the players in this game - except for Izzy, where she does the exact opposite, underestimating the patterns and looking for clean behaviours.
About TP and Brinn, the fact is that they both voted last-second, on both days, and for the same person. And it's just like you said, it's something that TP could easily double bluff, "oh he wouldn't be that obvious, would he?"

[Hansy]

x'd since Brinn's #525. And I'm yet to know what we're supposed to do with this

[satansaloser2005]

Hansy 3
Phantom, Izzy, and Sally 2 each

[satansaloser2005]

Izzy, whatever you choose, now is totally not the time for a toss-up.



Good points about Lari. I'll have a look at her, though it definitely won't be toDay.

[Isabellkya]

Awh, thanks for that Lariren. I had seen your name on a playerlist three games ago I think. But wasn't sure how long you had been around.

X'd since Sally at #559

[Isabellkya]

I wont vote for phantom.
I can't bring myself to vote for Hansy, because I don't find anything about him suspicious; and voting for him would feel really wrong.

So, that leaves..
++Sally.
Sorry.I feel less wrong voting you than I do the others.

X'd since Mnemosyne's #572

[Mnemosyne]

Yet to vote:

Isabellkya
the phantom
Brinniel
Lariren Shadow
Mnemosyne

Unless someone wants to push another candidate, it looks as if I'll have to limit my votes to the people who have already got them.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Mnem

Unless someone wants to push another candidate

Durelin! I must have my vengeance!

[Mnemosyne]

Make your case, phantom.

For some reason I really want to vote Brin, but first I'd have to analyze her.

I'm just not incredibly thrilled with any of the vote candidates... Now that you've gotten off your spec-fest (and I can understand innocent!phantom's reasoning) I'm willing to let you live another day.

Sally I've already explained why I don't want to vote for.

Hansy... eh. I don't feel great about him, especially because a lot of people have done the whole "I suspect him but he's a n00b" sort of thing and by Day 3 that shouldn't matter (heck, didn't matter for me).

And Izzy I'm willing to reprieve until we find out more information about yesterDay (if there's ever a reveal that will let us. But I won't wait forever).

[Mnemosyne]

By the way, I'd laugh SO hard if it turns out Brin, phantom, and Izzy are the Bishop, Rook, and Knight.

[Hansy]

Duh, of course they are. At least one of them HAS to be evil. It's just too much.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, in the interest of self-preservation I'd really not like to die, at least toDay. *goes all cryptic again* It would be in the village's best interest not to kill me toDay. If you find me suspicious, fine, kill me toMorrow, but deal with someone else toDay.


Of course I don't want to see Phantom go either. Izzy I would understand, since several people suspect her, but I wouldn't be the happiest I suppose. Hansy needs to go in my opinion. I'm currently working with one of his posts, so I'll be back with thoughts in a second. Until then!

[the phantom]

Currently reskimming today's posts....

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Hansy

Duh, of course they are. At least one of them HAS to be evil. It's just too much.

See, the thing is I could totally see phantom Night One being like, "Let's always vote the same way every Day! No one will suspect us!" And he'd be able to pull it off, too.

[Rikae]

I would prefer to see Sally or Hansy lynched than tp, if it comes down to that.

[Mnemosyne]

Okay, Rikae, here we go. I am not saying that this is what Sally is, but it's certainly what she's claiming to be.

First of all, keep in mind that all this madness only started on Day Three:

Originally Posted by sally

Does that make sense to anyone else? Or should I don a white straitjacket and take Hunter to the happy home to post for the rest of the Day?

To which I said,

Originally Posted by me

Sweetheart, Nerwen's dead.

To which sally said,

Originally Posted by sally

Never said she wasn't, love. What's your point?

To which I said,

Originally Posted by me

Nothing; just a bit of punnery. Under different circumstances that would've looked like a veiled reveal.

To which sally said,

Originally Posted by sally

Pfffft. Do you really think I'd be that obvious?

And now Sally's claiming she's being obvious.

Later on, when Steve asks Sally if she's the black pawn, she says,

Originally Posted by sally

EDIT: Yes as in I'm playing riskily, not yes I'm the Black Pawn. I am a white girl and proud of it, kthnxbye. (And no, that was not meant to be racist, just in case anyone wondered.)

This goes in accordance with her earlier stating that she was innocent. But she no longer says that she's a pure, role-less innocent.

Her next quote is

Well said, Kath. Besides, I'm not the Black Pawn. Or the Black Anything, for that matter. Killing me, or at least killing me toDay, would be a grave mistake. If you must kill me kill me after I've had a Night to think about the game, perhaps make some choices that will impact the village for the good.

What really tipped me off as to what she's been trying to convey is this quote, here:

I am not the White Bishop. I will at no point be saying that I am the White Bishop, the White Queen, or any black piece, for I am none of them.

Thank you for your time. Please try again.

She only mentions those white gifteds which are still in the game, which is completely logical. At the same time, that leaves open white pieces that have already been killed. As she says at the end of the day,

Originally Posted by sally

I miss Nerwen

I have no idea what sally actually is, but she seems to be saying that she's a second hunter, probably hunterified during Night Three because Shasta is weird. And she also seems to be implying by her "we'll know x if I'm killed" that she's a logical hunter.

And since I'm willing to believe that Kath dreamed sally Night Three, that implies that she's at the worst a cobbler.

Rikae, you are NOT making this look good for yourself. I want to believe you so badly, but you're not.

...And she just said "for the love of Orion." THE HUNTER. THE FREAKING HUNTER.

So that is who Sally says she is.

...Right, sally?


...Right?







*crickets chirp*

[satansaloser2005]

[Mnemosyne]

...In case you're wondering, that's my sally-analysis/crack theory.

That's right, folks, she's claiming to have a role that doesn't exist.

So either she's a cobbler (whom we ignore and don't kill) or she's an innocent playing with our minds or she's telling the truth.

So, Rikae, if you're correct and not a cobbler/wolf/bear, let's just give sally the benefit of the doubt and get rid of Izzy toDay.