Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Isabellkya]

If everyone hadn't waited until the last possible second to vote....
I'm always selfish in werewolf - especially if I'm being lynched for silly reasons.

Pfft. Nope, you shall be waiting. xD

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

If everyone hadn't waited until the last possible second to vote....
I'm always selfish in werewolf - especially if I'm being lynched for silly reasons.

Pfft. Nope, you shall be waiting. xD

Heh understandable.


Well *raspberries* to you too, then, Missy.


EDIT: The mod approaches. Hushabye....

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sorry, I let the time get away from me. No more talking. I'll say who's to be lynched momentarily.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Day 2

Pieces moved, back and forth. Back and forth. Neither side gained the upper hand.

For a while, it looked like Isabellkya was in danger. Pieces of the opposite side congregated, all focusing on her...

But the tide turned, and Sauron lashed out unexpectedly, knocking poor Nogrod off the board.

With a Rook and now a Knight down, could Gandalf pull out a victory...?

Pieces:
Mirandir
Durelin
Feanor of the Peredhil
Isabellkya
the phantom
Brinniel
satansaloser2005
Lariren Shadow
wilwarin538
Rikae
Eonwe
Mnemosyne
Kath
Hansy

Taken:
Shasta - Ke3xe4, Night 1 (Moderator)
Gwathagor - d3xe4 (Lynched), Day 1 (White Pawn)
Eomer of the Rohirrim - Qd8xh4 (Killed), Night 2 (White Pawn)
Nerwen - Bc8xa6 (Killed), Night 2 (White Rook)
Nogrod - f6xg5 (Lynched), Day 2 (White Knight)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Night 3

Sauron continued his onslaught of Gandalf by quickly moving one of his pieces, taking out another of Gandalf's pawns (this one with the soul of Mirandir).

Then, by clumsiness, one of the two wizards bumped the board. One of the pieces rocked for a moment, and seemed about to fall, but another piece moved at the last second. The falling piece clacked hard against the other piece and reversed its momentum, coming to a rocking halt back firmly on the board.

Pieces:
Durelin
Feanor of the Peredhil
Isabellkya
the phantom
Brinniel
satansaloser2005
Lariren Shadow
wilwarin538
Rikae
Eonwe
Mnemosyne
Kath
Hansy

Taken:
Shasta - Ke3xe4, Night 1 (Moderator)
Gwathagor - d3xe4 (Lynched), Day 1 (White Pawn)
Eomer of the Rohirrim - Qd8xh4 (Killed), Night 2 (White Pawn)
Nerwen - Bc8xa6 (Killed), Night 2 (White Rook)
Nogrod - f6xg5 (Lynched), Day 2 (White Knight)
Mirandir - Ba6xe2 (Killed), Night 3 (White Pawn)

[Mnemosyne]

My reaction to the end of yesterDay:

...the Utumno?!?

[Mnemosyne]

The other thing is that apparently the Queen got blocked. Now, given previous narrations, I think it's safe to say that there's more going on in this game than we had reckoned.

But if the not-dead person was indeed a Black Knight save, that implies that whoever it was was evil. And since the Knight can't protect two days in a row...

Of course, that's too much for an innocent to hope for. I think it's still in the Queen's interest to keep those wolves around for a little while longer.

And yesterDay's lynch... my brain STILL hurts. No theories, of course; would love to see what others have to say.

Even though it appears that the cards are against us, we still need to do our best to catch those under Sauron's control, no matter what. Some speculation is good, especially because it says much about the speculators; but ultimately I can't let it distract me from attempting to sniff out WW's.

Also, Izzy, how does it feel to be alive?

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so....yesterDay's lynch, eh? *eye twitches* Very interesting.

To business, though, if only briefly. A vote count for you lovely people, fully updated.



Day One Votes

Kath-->Nerwen at 6:36am
Fea-->Hansy at 4:37pm
Durie-->Sally at 4:39pm
Steve-->Gwath at 4:55pm
Eomer-->Sally at 6:18pm
Rikae-->Steve at 9:26pm
Hansy-->Fea at 9:45pm
Lari-->Nog at 10:17pm
Nog-->Fea at 10:25pm
Willa-->Steve at 10:36pm
Gwath-->Fea at 10:41pm
Izzy-->Gwath at 11:37pm
Sally-->Fea at 11:56pm
Mnemo-->Steve at 11:58pm
Phantom-->Gwath at 11:58pm
Brinn-->Gwath at 11:59pm

Did not vote: Mira



Day Two Votes

Willa-->Mnemo at 4:33pm
Noggie-->Izzy at 6:10pm
Kath-->Izzy at 7:21pm
Hansy-->Noggie at 7:31pm
Rikae-->Izzy at 7:50pm
Fea-->Izzy at 10:15pm
Lari-->Hansy at 10:50pm
Mnemo-->Kath at 11:53pm
Izzy-->Sally at 11:55pm
Sally-->Hansy at 11:57pm
Mira-->Mnemo at 11:58pm
Brinn-->Noggie at 11:58pm
Phantom-->Noggie at 11:59pm
Izzy-->Noggie at 12:00am

retraction of Izzy-->Sally at 11:55pm

Sally-->Izzy at 12:00am

retraction of Sally-->Hansy at 11:57pm

Did not vote: Durie, Steve

[Isabellkya]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Also, Izzy, how does it feel to be alive?

I'm quite confused to say the least. Yet I am not about to look a gift horse in the mouth (too much.)
When I saw the scene, I was quite speechless after exclaiming a phrase; which I can't repeat the entirety of here.

My thought, is if the WQ were responsible for it - wouldn't Shasta of attributed xer for it; rather than Sauron?

[the phantom]

So, a save was made... interesting.

I guess the Black Queen now knows the identity of a WereWolf.

[the phantom]

Yeah, that didn't go so well yesterday. But of course it could have been worse.

And to be fair, Nog did turn out to be not normal, didn't he? The fact is I thought he was a bit different a few times throughout, but I worried about voicing suspicion in case he was a White Gifted rather than Black. I was getting both kind of vibes from him, so I just claimed he was innocent and put him on the back burner to be watched.

But when I saw that I could throw him into the voting mix, I made a split second decision- "You know, I'm gonna do it! He's been funny so let's just go ahead and see."

Plus I was wanting to save Izzy.

Anyway, this evening I finally got a chance to do a bit of digging (I've been far below my usual standards thus far when it comes to reading and rereading). And guess what? I found some interesting stuff and I feel like I'm on better footing now. The lynch will finally go favorably I think.

And you know Shasta has got to be entertained thus far. I mean just think of all the Werewolfing stars there are here. There's Fea, me... um, Fea, and.... me. And Fea of course. A regular VIP show right there, wouldn't you say, m'dear?

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by the phantom

There's Fea, me... um, Fea, and.... me. And Fea of course. A regular VIP show right there, wouldn't you say, m'dear?

Oh, you can just go straight to Mordor...

...oh, wait...

[the phantom]

About the lynch, there are a couple possibilities that spring easily to mind...

1) The White Queen's vote counts for more.

2) The White Queen is immune to the lynch and must be killed at night.

3) The White Queen cannot be killed on the first attempt.

Given that, I can't believe a certain someone is alive today. Do the WereCreatures really expect us to lynch in that direction.

[Mnemosyne]

I still think there's something to be said for the fact that those initial Izzy votes were all so spread out early in the day, and all apparently arrived at by people who had "reasoned independently" and came to the same conclusion at the same time.

We now know one of them was Nog, a known innocent.

As I said, I don't know what was going on, but I didn't like the look of it. And I still don't, despite the fact that Nog did vote her.

phantom, if the White Queen's vote counts for more than an innocent's, that Day One tie may be helpful to those who want to find out her identity. But as you said there are other possibilities.

[the phantom]

phantom, if the White Queen's vote counts for more than an innocent's, that Day One tie may be helpful to those who want to find out her identity.

Sure, unless it doesn't work like that all the time. Perhaps it's a one-time special ability.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

I still think there's something to be said for the fact that those initial Izzy votes were all so spread out early in the day, and all apparently arrived at by people who had "reasoned independently" and came to the same conclusion at the same time.

We now know one of them was Nog, a known innocent.

As I said, I don't know what was going on, but I didn't like the look of it. And I still don't, despite the fact that Nog did vote her.

Just because one person's innocent it doesn't mean they all are. In fact, it's more likely that one of the baddie's jumped on an innocent bandwaggon (and I mean ordos, as opposed to a bandwaggon being an innocent thing to to do- however, in the end it is the only way that someone gets lynched, and now I will end this extremely long sentence and bracket).

Originally Posted by the phantom

2) The White Queen is immune to the lynch and must be killed at night.

It might also be the otherr way around. Or maybe xe (are we still doing this?) can use someone else as a shield (who happened to be protected?)- maybe that last one's a little far-fetched.

[QUOTE=Mnemosyne;586541]Also, I hope Eonwe and Durelin are both back and in working order! We can't give silent players a free pass forever, even though they're having RL troubles.[QUOTE]
Well, I'm back.
Yes sir, I am. My head's still a little fuzzy, but I'll see what I can do.


PS. Sally, is it just me or are you playing a little riskily (and I don't mean for yourself)?- Or are you the Black Pawn?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

And you know Shasta has got to be entertained thus far. I mean just think of all the Werewolfing stars there are here. There's Fea, me... um, Fea, and.... me. And Fea of course. A regular VIP show right there, wouldn't you say, m'dear?

You trouble maker.

Okay, so...

Nogrod!?

Why does everybody always kill Nogrod?

This is a legitimate question: why does Nog always die via a bandwagon that I'm not part of shortly after he and I have a spat and I say that, regardless of the spat, I think he's innocent? No wonder he thinks I'm capable of staging hyper-dramatic coups, given the frequency with which this situation occurs.

*is sleepy and hungry*

The Night kill...

So we know that the wolves and the BQ get to kill at Night. We know nothing about the WQ (who, for all we know, is Shasta dressed in drag, doing the hula).

The options, as I can see them, are:

1) The BQ's kill was stopped by the Black Ranger (suggesting that the kill choice was Black)

2) The BQ's kill choice was stopped by the WQ (suggesting that the WQ has saving powers)

2a) The BQ tried to kill the WQ and it didn't work

3) The BQ didn't send in xer kill on time (which seems unlikely)

In the instance of #1, the BQ would be free to kill xer choice of last Night tomorrow, because the Black Ranger can't protect twice in a row. This would imply that the BQ wants to pick off the wolves, which makes total sense to me: it's easy for a person who is on xer own team to hide out during the Day, but how long can xe survive with another team killing at Night as well, plus two Seers, plus a WQ with unknown powers? Besides, the BQ, as far as I'm aware, in the instance that it's just xer and the wolves left, doesn't win even though the village is gone. So if the wolves massacre the village? The BQ goes down too. Also, you only need one wolf to make a wolf kill at Night. Why would the BQ risk so much by not trying to kill one or two if the opportunity arises?

In the instance of #2, we (and presumably the BQ) don't know the nature of the WQ's power, so it's possible that the BQ could stubbornly keep trying to kill whomever xe tried to kill last Night, and could keep failing. This holds true for 2a as well: it's possible that the WQ can't die at the hands of the BQ, but since we don't know, I'm making this up as I go.

In the event of option three, it would be a pointless waste of typing skills for Shasta to have said,

Originally Posted by Shasta

Then, by clumsiness, one of the two wizards bumped the board. One of the pieces rocked for a moment, and seemed about to fall, but another piece moved at the last second. The falling piece clacked hard against the other piece and reversed its momentum, coming to a rocking halt back firmly on the board.

So, by clumsiness... And one of the two wizards. It's not a wizards game, so are Gandalf and Sauron metaphors for actual players? Should we be thinking of the B&W Queens as ringleaders? Or worse, are there Kings? Except that skews our numbers, and I feel like Shasta would have warned us. So I'm kind of assuming (plus he suggested as much) that this is just creative narration.

However a piece nearly fell off the board, that much he says, but was saved by the move of another piece. Shasta doesn't say which pieces, but unless the White Queen is killing people at Night, I'm going to assume (I think this is a fair assumption) that the BQ had a Ranger of some variety get in the way of last Night's work.

Sorry if I'm not being crisp and organized; I'm trying to be thorough, but I need breakfast and I don't know when it's going to happen. About half the players could tell you that I'm Incredible Hulk-ish when I'm hungry. "You wouldn't like me when I'm... hungry. Laura hungry. Laura smash."

Anyway, to summarize: the BQ seems to have attempted, and the most likely occurence, based on the mod's narration, is that the kill choice was protected.

Which means that the BQ stumbled upon - or strided confidently into - something.

Which gives me something new to think about: how does the BQ choose xer kills? I hate having roles that are hard to trace. You can find a seer, and you can say confidently, "this person isn't this role" about ones with specific constraints, but I loathe not knowing the level of vulnerability of bad guys, and the details of the good guys. I know the WQ is on our side, or she wouldn't be labeled WQ, but what if she's kind of like the BQ in that she's definitely opposed to the contrasting side, but isn't necessarily on the side of the rest of the Whites? What if there are two werebear-type characters in play, both of whom are attempting to be the last player standing?

*grumble*

Sorry, that was my belly. A banana and coffee aren't good enough to make me functional. I'm going to search through Day One posts for something I shouldn't talk about. I'll let you know if I find anything worth mentioning.

[wilwarin538]

Just checking in really quickly, will be back with much more in a few hours.

Here are my lists as they stand now:

Thinking guilty:
Mnemo
Sally because of below post

Well, quite frankly, I knew he was innocent. Now by 'know' I don't mean I knew with 100% certainty, because only the bishop(s) and the mod can know that and I am none of the above. I only mean that I had a heavy suspicion that he was innocent, and even an inkling that he could be gifted, though I obviously didn't want to say that and get him Night killed. So yesterDay, like the Day before, I made the best choice I could under the circumstances, the more valuable of two innocents rather than the lesser of two evils if you will.

So for pretty much the same reason I found Mnemo suspicious yesterday, people who say they "knew" someone was innocent, that bugs me.
Also, Eonwe from his posts from Day 1

Not really liking but probably won't vote for unless they say something later I don't like:
Durelin
Lariren
Hansy

Not sure of:
Fea and phantom, these two are so frustrating
Kath, posted more yesterday but not enough for me to get a read, will have more later

Pretty confident about:
Izzy
Brinn
Rikae

Like I said, back after a few hours of studying with more.