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the phantom · 03-02-2009, 02:45 PM

Real quickly- I'm fine with letting Mith be the winner.

We certainly can't play out the final day now due to the fact that Mnem made telling RL statements after you asked for input, as well as the fact that the timing of the conflict is is now known to everyone, meaning that Wilwa, who was not even around at the time, is suddenly extremely clean looking for RL reasons, for she could not have sent in the early PM.

Personally I'd like to think that the day would not have ended in a coin flip, but we can never know.

Mnemosyne · 03-02-2009, 03:50 PM

Yeah, well, before I even posted I talked to Shasta and he said last Day wasn't happening. But, yeah, last Day is even more in shambles than it was.

I call live coinflip on webcam!

If it lands on its side, Mith wins.

wilwarin538 · 03-02-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

as well as the fact that the timing of the conflict is is now known to everyone, meaning that Wilwa, who was not even around at the time, is suddenly extremely clean looking for RL reasons, for she could not have sent in the early PM.

haha, if we had made it to a Day 6 that would have been my exact defence for myself.

Coin flip, draw, Mith win, it's all fine with me.

the phantom · 03-02-2009, 04:37 PM

I've got it!

Frodo tosses the Ring into Mount Doom and it explodes, knocking over the chess board! The game was entirely a distraction meant to keep Sauron occupied while Frodo crept past undetected beneath the board.

I'm thinking I'd rather not have a coin flip at this point. Technically, the worst the baddies could've managed was a coin flip, while the best the goodies could've managed was a coin flip. Two of the players left were guaranteed not to vote for a WW, while the other two had a 50% chance, so if we wanted to be true to the odds the coin would need to land correctly for the good side twice in a row to secure victory.

But rather than do that, I would be content to declare Mith the victor, as she is the highest ranking chess piece still on the board, and stood no chance of being lynched.

**********
Grey wins...

HoME XVI, Derivative Works, Part C, Werewolf Games, section H-

It was an age of compromise in Middle-Earth. In an event unforseen by even the Valar, good and evil united, and the forces of greyness swept over the lands unchecked, doing deeds of compassion and cruelty far and wide. And Mithalwen beheld all that was done, and saw that it was good- and evil. Then she rejoiced and sang, and the peoples of Middle-Earth heard her voice and its surpassing beauty, and they swore allegiance to her and honored her above all others.

wilwarin538 · 03-02-2009, 05:20 PM

sounds good to me

Feanor of the Peredhil · 03-02-2009, 05:29 PM

I approve.

All hail my beloved Mith, who encourages me to misbehave.

Brinniel · 03-02-2009, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tp

I'm thinking I'd rather not have a coin flip at this point. Technically, the worst the baddies could've managed was a coin flip, while the best the goodies could've managed was a coin flip. Two of the players left were guaranteed not to vote for a WW, while the other two had a 50% chance, so if we wanted to be true to the odds the coin would need to land correctly for the good side twice in a row to secure victory.

But rather than do that, I would be content to declare Mith the victor, as she is the highest ranking chess piece still on the board, and stood no chance of being lynched.

Well, I wouldn't say that. By toMorrow I think it would've become rather clear who the cobbler considering their vote and anyway, I really can't imagine the other two not voting Izzy...

But I'm still content with Mith winning. After all, it's our fault for not lynching her.

the phantom · 03-02-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brin

By toMorrow I think it would've become rather clear who the cobbler considering their vote and anyway, I really can't imagine the other two not voting Izzy...

We can never know, but I planned on doing the most intense bluff-offensive of my life, trying to plant at least the slightest seed of doubt in Mnem and Wilwa's minds that Izzy had a chance of being the Cobbler.

I was planning on claiming to be the Ranger right off the bat in order to encourage them to rule me out as the Cobbler. Izzy would then likely vote for me (or at least I figured in my plans that she would), and when no one followed her vote I would point out that for both a hidden WW and Cobbler it would be in their interest to remain uncommited and hope that I, the Ranger, would lead the vote wrong, and thus clinch the win.

If this precise series of events unfolded as planned, reasonable doubt would certainly be introduced to even the most convinced living souls, and that doubt would've become my tool for prodding and poking and trying to get either Mnem or Wilwa to go for each other. I would have used every tool of manipulation and cloaking and lying and such that I have up my sleeve, and put on an act worthy of an Oscar. Likely I would've leaned towards Izzy for most of the day, but quietly fanned the flames of any spark of doubt I saw from Mnem or Wilwa, until a point arrived where I thought things were hot enough to declare that I was having serious second thoughts and needed to hear from everyone and do some rereading, etc etc.... You've seen me do that sort of thing before (as both goodie and baddie).

I do not claim to know whether or not it would've worked. No one can know. Even someone 90% likely to go for Izzy could've hit a perfect storm of RL events and attitude shifts and reading in the thread which could push them the wrong way. Or Mnem or Wilwa might've decided during the night that they might not want to lynch Izzy after all, and then become suspicious of me during the day and I would actually change their minds to vote correctly.

It is one of the mysteries that will be debated for ages and ages by the wise around the world.

Or at least it will be debated for a few seconds inside our heads. Same difference really.

satansaloser2005 · 03-02-2009, 05:39 PM

I concur.

All hail Mith! All hail Mith!

Nerwen · 03-02-2009, 05:37 PM

Hey, when I first read the phantom's post I seriously thought it was the final narration.

EDIT: and it was, basically. Weird game.

...Shasta, don't be so hard on yourself. This has been a really interesting game, even as a spectator.

Shastanis Althreduin · 03-02-2009, 05:39 PM

Alright, that works.

For anyone interested, I flipped a coin. It hit the floor, rolled out the door, down the stairs, and out a window. An omen?

Mithalwen, the Grey Queen, wins!
The White Pieces (Mnemosyne and Wilwa alive) and the Black Pieces (Phantom and Isabellkya alive) tie for second.
The Black Queen (Fea) gets third.

Discuss everything here. Except how I shockingly dropped the ball and let it smash to smithereens on the last day.

Shastanis Althreduin · 03-02-2009, 05:46 PM

Night 1:
Kath (White Bishop) dreams the phantom - Black Pawn (shows up as White Pawn)
Rikae (Black Bishop) dreams wilwarin538 - White Pawn
Nerwen (White Rook) hunts the phantom
Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) hunts Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel (White Queen)does not send a list

Day 1:
Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) finds out that the Black Bishop dreamt of wilwarin538 and the White Bishop dreamt of the phantom
Rikae (Black Bishop) finds out that wilwarin538 is a White Pawn
Kath (White Bishop) finds out that the phantom is a "White Pawn" even though he is the Black Pawn
Feanor of the Peredhil and Gwathagor up for lynching; numbers 1-100. Feanor of the Peredhil will be even; Gwathagor will be odd. Random number generator spits out #39. Gwathagor is lynched, and is a White Pawn.

Night 2:
Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) kills Eomer of the Rohirrim (White Pawn)
Nerwen (White Rook) changes hunts to Nogrod (White Knight)
Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) stays the same
Kath (White Bishop) dreams of Nogrod (White Knight)
Rikae (Black Bishop) dreams of Mnemosyne (White Pawn)
Rikae (Black Bishop) kills Nerwen (White Rook) (Nerwen got her hunter change in before Rikae killed her, so she didn't take the phantom with her.)
Brinniel (White Queen) triples the voting power of the phantom
Isabellkya (Black Knight) protects Rikae
Nogrod (White Knight) protects himself

Day 2:
Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) finds out that the Black Bishop dreamt of Mnemosyne and the White Bishop dreamt of Nogrod
Rikae (Black Bishop) finds out that Mnemosyne is a White Pawn
Kath (White Bishop) finds out that Nogrod is the White Knight; Kath and Nogrod will be able to PM Night 3
Nogrod lynched (via the phantom's powered-up vote): White Knight

Night 3:
Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) attacks Lariren Shadow (Black Rook)
Isabellkya (Black Knight) protects Lariren Shadow (Black Rook)
Rikae (Black Bishop) dreams the phantom (Black Pawn - comes up as White Pawn)
Rikae (Black Bishop) kills Mirandir (White Pawn)
Brinniel (White Queen) powers up the vote of Mnemosyne (White Pawn)
Brinniel (White Pawn) promotes satansaloser2005 (White Pawn) into a White Rook
Kath (White Bishop) dreams satansaloser2005 (newly-made White Rook)
Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) hunts satansaloser2005 (White Rook)

Day 3:
Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) finds out that the White Bishop dreamt of satansaloser2005 and the Black Bishop dreamt of the phantom
Rikae (Black Bishop) finds out that the phantom is a White Pawn even though he's the Black Pawn
Kath (White Bishop) finds out that satansaloser2005 is a White Rook
Hansy lynched: White Pawn

Night 4:
satansaloser2005 (White Rook) hunts Brinniel (White Queen)
Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) hunts Eonwe (White Pawn)
Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) kills Lariren Shadow (Black Rook); Lariren Shadow takes Eonwe (White Pawn) with her
Kath (White Bishop) dreams of Rikae (Black Bishop)
Isabellkya (Black Knight) protects Rikae (Black Bishop)
Rikae (Black Bishop) kills Kath (White Bishop)
Rikae (Black Bishop) dreams of satansaloser2005 (White Rook)
Brinniel (White Queen) triples Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) - Fails
Brinniel (White Queen) attempts to promote Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) - Fails
satansaloser2005 (White Rook) switches her hunt pick to Rikae (Black Bishop)

Day 4:
Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) finds out that the Black Bishop dreamt satansaloser2005
Rikae (Black Bishop) finds out that satansaloser2005 is a White Rook
Durelin lynched: White Pawn

Night 5:
satansaloser2005 (White Rook) hunts Feanor of the Peredhil (Black queen)
Isabellkya (Black Knight) kills satansaloser2005 (White Rook). Thus, Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) dies as well.
Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) attacks Isabellkya (Black Knight). Unfortunately, Feanor of the Peredhil is now dead.
Rikae (Black Bishop) dreams of Brinniel (White Queen)
Brinniel (White Queen) promotes Isabellkya (Black Knight) - Fails.
Brinniel (White Queen) triples her own voting power.
Isabellkya (Black Knight) protects herself.

Day 5:
Rikae (Black Bishop) finds out that Brinniel is the White Queen.
Rikae (Black Bishop) lynched.

Night 6:
PANDEMONIUM.

Mirandir - White Pawn
Durelin - White Pawn
Feanor of the Peredhil - Black Queen
Isabellkya - Black Knight
Nerwen - White Rook
Eomer of the Rohirrim - White Pawn
the phantom - Black Pawn
Brinniel - White Queen
satansaloser2005 - White Pawn
Gwathagor - White Pawn
Lariren Shadow - Black Rook
wilwarin538 - White Pawn
Rikae - Black Bishop
Eonwe - White Pawn
Nogrod - White Knight
Mnemosyne - White Pawn
Kath - White Bishop
Hansy - White Pawn

satansaloser2005 · 03-02-2009, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasta

Night 3:
Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) attacks Lariren Shadow (Black Rook)
Isabellkya (Black Knight) protects Lariren Shadow (Black Rook)
Rikae (Black Bishop) dreams the phantom (Black Pawn - comes up as White Pawn)
Rikae (Black Bishop) kills Mirandir (White Pawn)
Brinniel (White Queen) powers up the vote of Mnemosyne (White Pawn)
Brinniel (White Pawn) promotes satansaloser2005 (White Pawn) into a White Rook
Kath (White Bishop) dreams satansaloser2005 (newly-made White Rook)
Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) hunts satansaloser2005 (White Rook)

Popular much?

EDIT: x'd with Hansy. By the way, you're welcome to join my game, hun.

Hansy · 03-02-2009, 05:51 PM

Wise decisions.

Ok, I loved this game, the roles and the scenarios they could provide. And the people, it was nice to meet you all ^^

I won't be playing here for a while, but I'll be checking you out

Brinniel · 03-02-2009, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasta

For anyone interested, I flipped a coin. It hit the floor, rolled out the door, down the stairs, and out a window. An omen?

And what, you didn't video record that?

Anyway, Mith must have an awfully powerful singing voice considering it managed to knock four pieces off the board...

satansaloser2005 · 03-02-2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

And what, you didn't video record that?

Anyway, Mith must have an awfully powerful singing voice considering it managed to knock four pieces off the board...

I concur. Darn it, Shasta, I told you it needed to be on video!

Heh. Well, I've heard her voice, and while she wasn't singing at the time I must say....

Mithalwen · 03-03-2009, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Anyway, Mith must have an awfully powerful singing voice considering it managed to knock four pieces off the board...

Emphasis on the awfully

... but wow ... I should not play more often... And Shasta don't be tough on yourself ... it is so hard to balance a game ... modding is much harder than realised so just embrace the divine rights... and this was always going to be demanding because of the sophisticated set up.

Anyway I had a blast...

03-02-2009, 02:45 PM	#1
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Real quickly- I'm fine with letting Mith be the winner. We certainly can't play out the final day now due to the fact that Mnem made telling RL statements after you asked for input, as well as the fact that the timing of the conflict is is now known to everyone, meaning that Wilwa, who was not even around at the time, is suddenly extremely clean looking for RL reasons, for she could not have sent in the early PM. Personally I'd like to think that the day would not have ended in a coin flip, but we can never know. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

03-02-2009, 03:50 PM	#2
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Yeah, well, before I even posted I talked to Shasta and he said last Day wasn't happening. But, yeah, last Day is even more in shambles than it was. I call live coinflip on webcam! If it lands on its side, Mith wins. __________________ Got corsets?

03-02-2009, 04:37 PM	#4
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I've got it! Frodo tosses the Ring into Mount Doom and it explodes, knocking over the chess board! The game was entirely a distraction meant to keep Sauron occupied while Frodo crept past undetected beneath the board. I'm thinking I'd rather not have a coin flip at this point. Technically, the worst the baddies could've managed was a coin flip, while the best the goodies could've managed was a coin flip. Two of the players left were guaranteed not to vote for a WW, while the other two had a 50% chance, so if we wanted to be true to the odds the coin would need to land correctly for the good side twice in a row to secure victory. But rather than do that, I would be content to declare Mith the victor, as she is the highest ranking chess piece still on the board, and stood no chance of being lynched. ******** Grey wins... HoME XVI, Derivative Works, Part C, Werewolf Games, section H- It was an age of compromise in Middle-Earth. In an event unforseen by even the Valar, good and evil united, and the forces of greyness swept over the lands unchecked, doing deeds of compassion and cruelty far and wide. And Mithalwen beheld all that was done, and saw that it was good- and evil. Then she rejoiced and sang, and the peoples of Middle-Earth heard her voice and its surpassing beauty, and they swore allegiance to her and honored her above all others. __________________ the phantom** has posted. This thread is now important. Last edited by the phantom; 03-02-2009 at 04:46 PM.

03-02-2009, 05:20 PM	#5
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	sounds good to me __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

03-02-2009, 05:29 PM	#6
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	I approve. All hail my beloved Mith, who encourages me to misbehave. __________________ peace

03-02-2009, 05:39 PM	#9
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	I concur. All hail Mith! All hail Mith! __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

03-02-2009, 05:37 PM	#10
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Hey, when I first read the phantom's post I seriously thought it was the final narration. EDIT: and it was, basically. Weird game. ...Shasta, don't be so hard on yourself. This has been a really interesting game, even as a spectator. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo. Last edited by Nerwen; 03-02-2009 at 05:41 PM.

03-02-2009, 05:39 PM	#11
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Alright, that works. For anyone interested, I flipped a coin. It hit the floor, rolled out the door, down the stairs, and out a window. An omen? Mithalwen, the Grey Queen, wins! The White Pieces (Mnemosyne and Wilwa alive) and the Black Pieces (Phantom and Isabellkya alive) tie for second. The Black Queen (Fea) gets third. Discuss everything here. Except how I shockingly dropped the ball and let it smash to smithereens on the last day. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

03-02-2009, 05:46 PM	#12
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Night 1: Kath (White Bishop) dreams the phantom - Black Pawn (shows up as White Pawn) Rikae (Black Bishop) dreams wilwarin538 - White Pawn Nerwen (White Rook) hunts the phantom Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) hunts Feanor of the Peredhil Brinniel (White Queen)does not send a list Day 1: Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) finds out that the Black Bishop dreamt of wilwarin538 and the White Bishop dreamt of the phantom Rikae (Black Bishop) finds out that wilwarin538 is a White Pawn Kath (White Bishop) finds out that the phantom is a "White Pawn" even though he is the Black Pawn Feanor of the Peredhil and Gwathagor up for lynching; numbers 1-100. Feanor of the Peredhil will be even; Gwathagor will be odd. Random number generator spits out #39. Gwathagor is lynched, and is a White Pawn. Night 2: Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) kills Eomer of the Rohirrim (White Pawn) Nerwen (White Rook) changes hunts to Nogrod (White Knight) Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) stays the same Kath (White Bishop) dreams of Nogrod (White Knight) Rikae (Black Bishop) dreams of Mnemosyne (White Pawn) Rikae (Black Bishop) kills Nerwen (White Rook) (Nerwen got her hunter change in before Rikae killed her, so she didn't take the phantom with her.) Brinniel (White Queen) triples the voting power of the phantom Isabellkya (Black Knight) protects Rikae Nogrod (White Knight) protects himself Day 2: Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) finds out that the Black Bishop dreamt of Mnemosyne and the White Bishop dreamt of Nogrod Rikae (Black Bishop) finds out that Mnemosyne is a White Pawn Kath (White Bishop) finds out that Nogrod is the White Knight; Kath and Nogrod will be able to PM Night 3 Nogrod lynched (via the phantom's powered-up vote): White Knight Night 3: Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) attacks Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) Isabellkya (Black Knight) protects Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) Rikae (Black Bishop) dreams the phantom (Black Pawn - comes up as White Pawn) Rikae (Black Bishop) kills Mirandir (White Pawn) Brinniel (White Queen) powers up the vote of Mnemosyne (White Pawn) Brinniel (White Pawn) promotes satansaloser2005 (White Pawn) into a White Rook Kath (White Bishop) dreams satansaloser2005 (newly-made White Rook) Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) hunts satansaloser2005 (White Rook) Day 3: Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) finds out that the White Bishop dreamt of satansaloser2005 and the Black Bishop dreamt of the phantom Rikae (Black Bishop) finds out that the phantom is a White Pawn even though he's the Black Pawn Kath (White Bishop) finds out that satansaloser2005 is a White Rook Hansy lynched: White Pawn Night 4: satansaloser2005 (White Rook) hunts Brinniel (White Queen) Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) hunts Eonwe (White Pawn) Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) kills Lariren Shadow (Black Rook); Lariren Shadow takes Eonwe (White Pawn) with her Kath (White Bishop) dreams of Rikae (Black Bishop) Isabellkya (Black Knight) protects Rikae (Black Bishop) Rikae (Black Bishop) kills Kath (White Bishop) Rikae (Black Bishop) dreams of satansaloser2005 (White Rook) Brinniel (White Queen) triples Lariren Shadow (Black Rook) - Fails Brinniel (White Queen) attempts to promote Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) - Fails satansaloser2005 (White Rook) switches her hunt pick to Rikae (Black Bishop) Day 4: Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) finds out that the Black Bishop dreamt satansaloser2005 Rikae (Black Bishop) finds out that satansaloser2005 is a White Rook Durelin lynched: White Pawn Night 5: satansaloser2005 (White Rook) hunts Feanor of the Peredhil (Black queen) Isabellkya (Black Knight) kills satansaloser2005 (White Rook). Thus, Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) dies as well. Feanor of the Peredhil (Black Queen) attacks Isabellkya (Black Knight). Unfortunately, Feanor of the Peredhil is now dead. Rikae (Black Bishop) dreams of Brinniel (White Queen) Brinniel (White Queen) promotes Isabellkya (Black Knight) - Fails. Brinniel (White Queen) triples her own voting power. Isabellkya (Black Knight) protects herself. Day 5: Rikae (Black Bishop) finds out that Brinniel is the White Queen. Rikae (Black Bishop) lynched. Night 6: PANDEMONIUM. Mirandir - White Pawn Durelin - White Pawn Feanor of the Peredhil - Black Queen Isabellkya - Black Knight Nerwen - White Rook Eomer of the Rohirrim - White Pawn the phantom - Black Pawn Brinniel - White Queen satansaloser2005 - White Pawn Gwathagor - White Pawn Lariren Shadow - Black Rook wilwarin538 - White Pawn Rikae - Black Bishop Eonwe - White Pawn Nogrod - White Knight Mnemosyne - White Pawn Kath - White Bishop Hansy - White Pawn __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

03-02-2009, 05:51 PM	#14
Hansy Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 34	Wise decisions. Ok, I loved this game, the roles and the scenarios they could provide. And the people, it was nice to meet you all ^^ I won't be playing here for a while, but I'll be checking you out