WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Nienna]

Yay!

Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon 'em.

[Brinniel]

*scratches head* I'm confused. Was that a ranger save? It sounded more like something else altogether happened..

Originally Posted by wilwa

But, by the looks of this narration there are atleast 3 ducks left, since Sally is using words like "group", "band", and "they all". If there were only 2 left it'd probably just be "pair" or something.

The narration indicates there could be up to four more ducks left. Good grief.

[Lariren Shadow]

So the wereducks picked a kill, the kill was not ranger protected, but is a new role the Phantom's apprentice?

Is that a one time deal or not?

*is confused and tired*

[Nerwen]

YAAAAAY!!!

....um.... whatever happened...

...might really have been the Ranger self-protecting, and all that "Phantom's Apprentice" stuff is just to confuse us?

[satansaloser2005]

Hmph. There's been none to amuse me in an hour. I'm going to bed.


(For the record, if anyone needs me most of toDay I'll be busy helping with a wedding shower -shut up, Mith- so if it's super important get the attention of Mnemo or Shasta, as they know how to get in touch with me)

[Brinniel]

Who worries me most:
wilwa
Durelin
Kath
Nienna

I could also add Rikae to that list for her weird vote for Mith. I don't understand. Was she actually being serious?

[Nerwen]

YIPPEEEE! IT'S THEORY TIME!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Perhaps this person was able to unlock their role when the wolves chose to attack them. Though the fact that this mysterious figure was already waiting for them is rather odd.

I'm just wondering what sort of powers phantom's apprentice could have. And are they on our side or their own side? Perhaps we should keep an eye out for anyone who starts to impersonate the phantom toDay.

*Nerwen brings her ENORMOUS BRAIN to bear*

Theory1. the phantom's apprentice is a good version of the Cursed Villager, one who becomes gifted when attacked. Power... well, we've already had a double-voter... maybe an Assassin? Or maybe someone who can change the wolves' target at Night, or protect innocents from lynching.

Theory2. As above, but tpa becomes a werebear when attacked.

Theory3. the phantom's apprentice's role is to drive everyone crazy.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

the phantom is someone who is not part of the village, and yet is in it.

the phantom's apprentice, therefore, would be someone 'dead' to the village, but still talking.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

the phantom is someone who is not part of the village, and yet is in it.

the phantom's apprentice, therefore, would be someone 'dead' to the village, but still talking.

Ohhhhh! Now that's a fantastic theory, Nilp! Except– Sally said everyone was still alive.

Maybe it's someone who can't vote but can't be killed either, like the phantom's "Opera Ghost" role a few games back?

I just love puzzles, don't you, Nilp?

YAY FOR CONFUSION!!!!!

*jumps up and down in excitement*

EDIT: fixed quotes.

[Nerwen]

Also–

Originally Posted by Brinniel

The narration indicates there could be up to four more ducks left. Good grief.

So there ought to be extra gifteds to balance all those ducks. (Imagine, if you will, a set of scales, one side containing a heap of gifteds; the other, ducks. See?)

[Nerwen]

*looks at own post*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*dies and iz ded*

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Mith is very nice and thoughtful , but just too confident. Too much confidence = evil. At least, that's the theory I'm going to go with.

++Mith

Originally Posted by Rikae

Just like the way Mith went after Lommy yesterDay, one would certainly think she was the seer...

but, of course, we know the seer wasn't protected, because the ranger protected xemself, as the narration clearly indicates. Which means the seer was not attacked, which can only mean Mith is a bluffing duck who threw Lommy to the... wolves... to make herself look good. Therefore:

++Mith

Such confidence, Rikae.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

*sigh*

Hamsters and elderberries.

I can't make this any clearer without making an analogy to the Oracles of Rokugan--which, no doubt, most, if not all, of you will understand, you bunch of gaijin.

Might as well get this over with.

I am he.

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[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

*sigh*

Was me being out of character. Usually I say '*sigh*', but perhaps I was so flustered by this goose-forsaken village that I forgot myself.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Hamsters and elderberries.

You probably know this more than I do. Yeah, I'm sure of that.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

I can't make this any clearer without making an analogy to the Oracles of Rokugan--which, no doubt, most, if not all, of you will understand, you bunch of gaijin.

Historically, the Oracles have been humans who have given up their humanity to house the power of a Dragon and become its agent in Ningen-do. The Oracles thus became not entirely human, creatures of great power. The Oracles also would retain no knowledge whatsoever of their mortal lives and break all contact with humanity, apart from their duties as Oracles. Many instances have been documented where a person recognizes an Oracle, but the Oracle has no recollection of the person, often despite the pair having spent years as close friends or family.

(From the L5R Wikia article on Oracles--emphasis mine)

Oh, and gaijin = foreigner, outsider, barbarian if you wish.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Might as well get this over with.

The whole thing.

Yes, the whole thing.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

I am he.

Referring to myself both in the first- and the third-person, which is rather fun.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

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In case anyone is offended by anything. A sentiment I wish to repeat in this post.

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[Nienna]

I'm just epically confused.

What I've learned so far:

• There wasn't a ranger save
• For all intents and purposes there wasn't a kill last night
• We have this interesting new apprentice
• How to make bullets

About The Apprentice:

• An apprentice is someone who learns and takes after their master
• This new person is Phantom's Apprentice

Logic would then dictate that maybe this new person can talk to Phantom? and learn from him?

[Rikae]

Sounds to me like the ducks tried to kill the ranger, who was protecting xemself.

And it also appears that, even if this is not the case, all they have to do to find this person is to determine who is missing xyr hairbrush.

I hate it when I lose my hairbrush. Believe it or not, I once demanded that it be mailed back to me - a distance of 4000 miles - at a cost probably double its actual worth. A good hairbrush is hard to find.


EDIT: X'd with Nerwie

[Gwathagor]

That looked like a ranger save to me.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

That looked like a ranger save to me.

How so, since it didn't actually say anything about the ranger saving anyone (or Larry the Cucumber saving anyone but xemself?)

The way you talk, one might think you were the ranger.

Just like the way Mith went after Lommy yesterDay, one would certainly think she was the seer...

but, of course, we know the seer wasn't protected, because the ranger protected xemself, as the narration clearly indicates. Which means the seer was not attacked, which can only mean Mith is a bluffing duck who threw Lommy to the... wolves... to make herself look good. Therefore:

++Mith

EDIT: X'd with the modgoddess, who confirmed what I'm saying. Go me.

[the phantom]

It seems that somebody forgot the two primary rules of WereWolf.
1) Don't mess with Phantom.
2) Don't mess with Phantom's apprentice.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lari

Is that a one time deal or not?

That's what she said.

[satansaloser2005]

Ranger save? Ah, there was a ranger save? Glad someone told me because I didn't see it mentioned in the narration. I guess I'll have to read more carefully next time, yeah?

(In other words, if there was a ranger save I would have said so.)

[Isabellkya]

Finding a note about an uncloaked apprentice to phantom? Interesting if not kind of creepy. Nevertheless, it was to the entire group. Doesn't look like it was just to someone(s) in particular.

Maybe it was a ranger save, maybe not. Especially since there was no mention of another person.




I think it an obvious statement - that at least one of the Lommy voters yesterDay was/is a wereDuckie.


X'd with Miss Duckess and Rikae.

[Isabellkya]

From the plot, it looked like the Cloaked figure went to the Ducks. Rather than the other way around. If it was a ranger save - regardless of whom was being saved. Wouldn't it of been mentioned?

[satansaloser2005]

Erm, hun, I said there WASN'T a ranger save. It's not that the ranger saved him/herself, it's that the ranger had nothing to do with the Night's events.



Carry on now.

[Isabellkya]

My guess at the moment is that the cloaked figure "unlocked" their role in some fashion. Probably by completing a task, or some condition being met.

Meh, who knows - save for Sally and the cloaked figure.

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

From the plot, it looked like the Cloaked figure went to the Ducks. Rather than the other way around. If it was a ranger save - regardless of whom was being saved. Wouldn't it of been mentioned?

Maybe but to me it seemed that the cloaked villager was walking and then the Ducks/Wolves tried to get them. Then they were unmasked. So the Ducks/Wolves probably know who this person is but the rest of the village doesn't.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Perhaps this person was able to unlock their role when the wolves chose to attack them. Though the fact that this mysterious figure was already waiting for them is rather odd.

I'm just wondering what sort of powers phantom's apprentice could have. And are they on our side or their own side? Perhaps we should keep an eye out for anyone who starts to impersonate the phantom toDay.

Depending on what the powers are the phantom's apprentice might have tried to get Night killed. If it would unlock their special powers then they might have tried to be all "look at me look at me! You know you want to kill me!"

...and I just went back to the 10 Things I Hate About You references....

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

I meant that the phantom's apprentice is 'alive' in the sense of being able to talk to us, but 'dead' in the sense of no longer contributing to the village.

That would make sense, but the number of people alive toDay is the same as the number alive last Night:

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

The Living
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
wilwarin538
Durelin
Nogrod
Isabellkya
Nerwen
Rikae
Mith
Kath
Lari
Mac
Nienna
Gwathagor
Nilpaurion Felagund[/I]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

The Living
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
wilwarin538
Durelin
Nogrod
Isabellkya
Nerwen
Rikae
Mith
Kath
Lari
Mac
Nienna
Gwathagor
Nilpaurion Felagund[/I]

So there are the same people alive as there are dead right now. Unless one of those marked under Alive is actually Dead. Which makes no sense because even when Shasta was "dead" and still playing he wasn't actually counted with those who are Alive.

[Gwathagor]

And what does that mean? What does it entail?

[Lariren Shadow]

I second Gwath's question.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Well, it's being late. Must go and vote.

Good
the phantom
satansaloser2005
Nerwen
Mithalwen
Rikae
Durelin


Goo
Mnemosyne
Lariren Shadow
Gwathagor
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel


Go
Nienna
Macalaure
wilwarin538


G
Nogrod
Isabellkya
Kath


' (being four letters short of a word)
the phantom's apprentice
Nilpaurion Felagund


With this I have concluded that she must leave the village.

++Kath

Good night!

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Nienna

I'm just epically confused.
What I've learned so far:

• How to make bullets

You learned how to make bullets? I'm slightly jealous.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

' (being four letters short of a word)
the phantom's apprentice
Nilpaurion Felagund

...So you are the apprentice but not? I am way to confused...boo not enough caffeine and sleep in my system yet.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Someone went out at three in the morning. Did something stupid. I approve.

Gone for much of Day.

+
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
Nogrod
Lariren Shadow
Nienna

+-
Rikae
Durelin
Macalaure
wilwarin538

-
Isabellkya
Kath
Nilpaurion Felagund
Nerwen
Mithalwen
Gwathagor

Don't trust Nilp. Never have. Don't trust Nerwen. Too easy to hide beak behind pom pom. Don't trust Mith. Can't put finger on it. Others, equally unsure.

Never turn to evil for the sake of 'good.' Only protect the innocent. Look around despairingly. World lost innocence long ago.

Clay awaits. Sunday. Always clay on Sunday.

[Rikae]

Bubbles = Conspiracy Theorist

Nilp = Ursine fabulist

Gwath = forgot the most important thing said about Loms

Fea = Terse

[Rikae]

A zatetic querimony:

Originally Posted by Bratwurst

The fact that Lommy didn't go with Lari exonerates her.

What is this idiolalla? What ""her", O Mac the Macropterous?

[Rikae]

Feanor of the Peredhil - Lurky McLurker
Brinniel - Opaque as always.
wilwarin538 - I saw something a while back that raised my eyebrow, but promptly forgot what it was. Good work, most likely kill her in the morning.
Durelin - Wolfie McWolfpants
Nogrod - Rather latrant. Diabolical.
Isabellkya - as xyloid as Al Gore.
Nerwen - irritating jennet.
Rikae - a little bit of kieselguhr makes the medicine go down.
Mith - Weighs exactly the same as a duck.
Kath - I'm going to avoid mentioning her to try to draw everyone's attention away from her for now.
Lari - Seems innocent enough, but I'm not sure why Mac thinks she's a known innocent or something.
Mac - Macropterous
Nienna - I dunno. What are you, Nienna?
Gwathagor - Forgetful. Doesn't like lists, therefore deserves death. Can we give it to him?
Nilpaurion Felagund - I don't trust him farther than I can throw him.

*whew*

[Kath]

I'm around so I'm going to ramble for a bit.

Right ...

So, now that we're confident that there was no Ranger save doesn't that seem to negate Rikae's theory about Mith?

but, of course, we know the seer wasn't protected, because the ranger protected xemself, as the narration clearly indicates. Which means the seer was not attacked, which can only mean Mith is a bluffing duck who threw Lommy to the... wolves... to make herself look good. Therefore:

Is what Rikae said but we know that the Ranger had nothing to do with anything last Night. Maybe Mith wasn't hinting at being the Seer by being so sure of Lommy but actually knew something about Lommy due to being this phantom's apprentice. Perhaps she and the phantom are able to communicate Nightly. What we don't know though is whether a phantom and phantom's apprentice win is a win for the village or whether they are similar to the Lovers in that they only win for themselves.

Rikae has returned since but doesn't seem to have rethought her plan since learning that the Ranger wasn't involved as Mith still equals duck in her latest list. Just wondering how her reasoning can be so certain given the new information.

[Macalaure]

Isn't it funny how so many people defended Gwath on Day1, because he always gets lynched early on, and then so many people wanted him dead just one day later? Even funnier, much of the suspicion stemmed from his Day1 vote. The rest came from his reaction to being poked. As one of the pokers, I have to say that I found his reaction and later behaviour rather innocent. I'm quite puzzled by this and can't help but suspect Gwath's suspecters. Since Gwath was the runner-up to Quacklómien, I could very easily see a conspiracy, maybe only a spontaneous one, of the two other ducks against Gwath. The question is, did they try to get him lynched openly, or more behind the scenes. Keep your eyes open, fellow innocents. They are out there, ever looking for their next victim. Be watchful, for they watch you, too. Just like they wathed Gwatch.


A look at the votes (1-innocent to 5-guilty):

Mith -> Lommy (1)
Her certainty is astounding and it makes you wonder why she is still alive today - without a ranger save. Could be duck-on-duck, but somewhere something is going on behind the scenes that I don't get. I mean, more than we know of. [2]

Kath -> Lari (1)
Lari had also been suspected by Durelin, Lommy, and Gwath. This could be seen as an attempt to put another widely mistrusted person to compete with a possible Lommy-waggon. Her other suspect is Gwath, who would also have served the same purpose nicely. Her choice of top-suspects is somewhat suspicious. The fact that Lommy didn't go with Lari exonerates her. [3]

Lommy -> Gwath (1) [6]
Mac -> Lommy (2) [0]

Wilwa -> Gwath (2)
She goes along the same lines as Kath (same top suspects), which I think makes it unlikely that they both are ducks. Chooses Gwath over Lari, possibly because his waggon had more momentum (and possibly to follow her fellow's vote?). [4]

Rikae -> Mith (1)
Could be seen as an attempt to her vote out of the expectable race between Lommy, Gwath, and Lari. Only, evil-Rikae would never have done that. [2]

Nienna -> Gwath (3)
Also considers Mith, in a way that could be called a slight defense of Lommy. Chooses Gwath, who out of the given options was her top suspect. [4]

Brinn -> Lommy (4)
Putting the Lommy-waggon back on its rails. I think a duck would have refrained from making this vote. [1]

Fea -> Lommy (5)
Same as above, since they cross-voted. [1]

Gwath -> Lommy (6)
The logical choice. [2]

Durelin -> Lommy (7)
Has been after Lommy and Lari and chooses Lommy for obvious reasons. Unsuspicious. [1]

Lari -> Gwath (4)
The last two posts before her vote were counts. Before that, she listed Lommy as guilty and Gwath as unsure. Very suspicious. [5]

Izzy -> Lari (2)
Very consequent. No reason to suspect. [1]

Nogrod -> Lommy (8)
A model of indecisiveness, completely on the fence between Lommy and Gwath. Waits with his vote til it already had been decided. This is typical for him, but that does not mean that he couldn't be a duck trying to get away with it. [3]

Nerwen -> Lommy (9)
Pulls a Nog, but messes up the timing. It takes years of experience to do his trick. The thing in her favour is that an evil Nerwen would probably have acted more determinedly. [3]


PS:
*ignores the entire tp's apprentice thing*
*enjoys absence of headache*

PPS:
Nilp is cracked. Cracked rhymes with quacked. He must be evil, logically.