WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rikae · 03-22-2009, 11:18 AM

Besides - she doesn't know something that I happen to know the real seer would know. No, I'm not the real seer, don't waste your protection on me, ranger; but I do know something about the real seer's role. And that's all I really can say.

Rikae · 03-22-2009, 11:21 AM

Remember, the gifteds in this game are "modified".

Mithalwen · 03-22-2009, 11:40 AM

I am not a duck for the record (I woiuld say that wouldn't I ?) but like a duck I am working hard beneath the surface.

Of course I look strange but this game is a ..well I can't use the word I would in RL.... all I can say is you have plenty of time to lynch me when I stop being useful.

Oh and there is a fairly high probability that Rikae is a cobbler.

Mithalwen · 03-22-2009, 11:51 AM

Indeed Mac, I could quote Francis Urquhart...

Rikae · 03-22-2009, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Indeed Mac, I could quote Francis Urquhart...

No, I don't trust you, you're not on my side - but thanks for making it obvious Mackie isn't either.

Mithalwen · 03-22-2009, 12:11 PM

If you were good you wouldn't be attacking me Rikae.

Why not read the narration? It is quite clear that the person attacked could not be killed.

Oh and you are not the good Cobbler for the same reason you are not the toothfairy, the Easter bunny or Father Christmas.

Rikae · 03-22-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mith

Oh and you are not the good Cobbler for the same reason you are not the toothfairy, the Easter bunny or Father Christmas.

But I'm all of the above, so there (don't tell my kids

).

Nilp, what do you say about Mith having been attacked last night and being impossible to kill? It sounds like we have a couple of conflicting stories on our hands, don't we?

Mithalwen · 03-22-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

But I'm all of the above, so there (don't tell my kids

).

You lie to your children? Shame on you! In the increasingly unlikely event of me having children I will tell them it is all a big lie... will save me a fortune.... I am prepared to swear allegiance to Bilious, the Oh God of Hangovers though....

Durelin · 03-22-2009, 12:42 PM

I think Mac has the right idea in ignoring the "phantom's apprentice" thing. The simple matter is that someone the wolves wanted to kill did not die, so all's good.

Evilish:

Lari - She still bothers me, as does her vote yesterDay. Maybe it's a bit too obvious, but both Nerwen and Nogrod who had yet to vote claimed at least to have some suspicion of Gwath. My only problem is that Lommy voted for her on Day 1.

Nienna - Her vote for Gwath certainly looks bad, too. She has generally been quiet and on the edge of things, so she's worrisome.

Nogrod and Nerwen - Just piled on the Lommy vote, so very hard to tell.

Rikae - Whatever she's up to it doesn't seem good. Cobbler? Wolf who thinks Mith is the seer and dreamt of her?

Creepy:

Nilp - Uh, yeah. It's Nilp. And I don't know what he's up to, either. Rikae seems cobbler-ish but so does Nilp...and if one is a wolf I'd say Rikae but I have no idea.

wilwa - Also a not good looking vote for Gwath but doesn't feel as foul.

Innocent-ish:

(Unless Lommy was a sacrifice)
Fea
Brinn
Mac
Mith

These two just feel innocent to me:
Kath
Izzy

The Lari voters could also be part of an attempt to save Lommy, but I am naturally less suspicious of them because I find Lari rather suspicious.

If, as some have mentioned, there are at least 3 or even 4 more wolves out there, then I think it's plenty likely to have had wolf-on-wolf voting both these past two Days.

Rikae · 03-22-2009, 11:53 AM

Maybe I'm a good cobbler.

But ok, Mith, why are you still alive, if you aren't evil?

Brinniel · 03-22-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Mith is still suspect - she was running around screaming "I am the seer" yesterDay, and toDay she's still alive (and, presumably,, wasn't attacked).

Well someone was attacked last Night. Why are you so sure it wasn't her?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mith

Oh and there is a fairly high probability that Rikae is a cobbler.

I agree.

Nienna · 03-22-2009, 12:19 PM

*is utterly and completely confused*

I've decided to let all of this information process in my brain for a while and come up with a color analysis of everyone.

Kath · 03-22-2009, 12:19 PM

Mac's list - parts of it are very interesting.

Quote:

Since Gwath was the runner-up to Quacklómien, I could very easily see a conspiracy, maybe only a spontaneous one, of the two other ducks against Gwath.

Very good point. However, even if we're assuming from the narration that there aren't just three wolves I doubt that any more than one wolf other than Lommy would have voted in that bandwagon, especially given that Lommy was in big trouble and the safer plan would have been to join that bandwagon.

The voters:
Lommy, wilwa, Nienna and Lari.

Obviously we know now that Lommy was evil. I'm going to take a look at the reasoning behind the votes of the other three.

wilwa:
Start off with Gwath, Lari and Durelin as her top suspects. Can only list bad feelings as reasoning for Lari and Durelin but finds a suspicious looking quote by Gwath and ends up with him as her top suspect. Continues with this. Mentions her top suspects as being Gwath and Lari, most likely to vote Gwath. Then votes Gwath.

Nienna:
First suspicion post has Gwath and Mith as likely votes. Mith for being too certain, Gwath for not contributing and having hidden messages. Votes Gwath for his playing style.

Lari:
List post that Lommy, Mac, Rikae, Mith and wilwa on her suspect list with Gwath on the leaning innocent list - right at the top of it in fact. Then votes Gwath ... with nothing in between.

I need to go and have dinner. I will be back afterwards as I haven't quite finished with what I wanted to look at here but from what I have looked at it looks to me like Lari might be the wolf in that little group. The sudden change on Gwath might well be the reaction of a wolf fellow of Lommy's suddenly thinking she might be able to save her. wilwa I would say looks particularly good out of the analysis. Her suspicions were stated early, well supported and consistent through the Day. Nienna ... her reasons aren't great but I think she looks less suspicious than Lari.

03-22-2009, 11:40 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I am not a duck for the record (I woiuld say that wouldn't I ?) but like a duck I am working hard beneath the surface. Of course I look strange but this game is a ..well I can't use the word I would in RL.... all I can say is you have plenty of time to lynch me when I stop being useful. Oh and there is a fairly high probability that Rikae is a cobbler. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-22-2009, 11:51 AM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Indeed Mac, I could quote Francis Urquhart... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-22-2009, 12:11 PM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	If you were good you wouldn't be attacking me Rikae. Why not read the narration? It is quite clear that the person attacked could not be killed. Oh and you are not the good Cobbler for the same reason you are not the toothfairy, the Easter bunny or Father Christmas. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-22-2009, 12:19 PM	#12
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	is utterly and completely confused I've decided to let all of this information process in my brain for a while and come up with a color analysis of everyone. __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

03-22-2009, 11:18 AM	#1
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Besides - she doesn't know something that I happen to know the real seer would know. No, I'm not the real seer, don't waste your protection on me, ranger; but I do know something about the real seer's role. And that's all I really can say.

03-22-2009, 11:21 AM	#2
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Remember, the gifteds in this game are "modified".

03-22-2009, 12:42 PM	#9
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I think Mac has the right idea in ignoring the "phantom's apprentice" thing. The simple matter is that someone the wolves wanted to kill did not die, so all's good. Evilish: Lari - She still bothers me, as does her vote yesterDay. Maybe it's a bit too obvious, but both Nerwen and Nogrod who had yet to vote claimed at least to have some suspicion of Gwath. My only problem is that Lommy voted for her on Day 1. Nienna - Her vote for Gwath certainly looks bad, too. She has generally been quiet and on the edge of things, so she's worrisome. Nogrod and Nerwen - Just piled on the Lommy vote, so very hard to tell. Rikae - Whatever she's up to it doesn't seem good. Cobbler? Wolf who thinks Mith is the seer and dreamt of her? Creepy: Nilp - Uh, yeah. It's Nilp. And I don't know what he's up to, either. Rikae seems cobbler-ish but so does Nilp...and if one is a wolf I'd say Rikae but I have no idea. wilwa - Also a not good looking vote for Gwath but doesn't feel as foul. Innocent-ish: (Unless Lommy was a sacrifice) Fea Brinn Mac Mith These two just feel innocent to me: Kath Izzy The Lari voters could also be part of an attempt to save Lommy, but I am naturally less suspicious of them because I find Lari rather suspicious. If, as some have mentioned, there are at least 3 or even 4 more wolves out there, then I think it's plenty likely to have had wolf-on-wolf voting both these past two Days.

03-22-2009, 11:53 AM	#10
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Maybe I'm a good cobbler. But ok, Mith, why are you still alive, if you aren't evil?