WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 03-22-2009, 11:40 AM

I am not a duck for the record (I woiuld say that wouldn't I ?) but like a duck I am working hard beneath the surface.

Of course I look strange but this game is a ..well I can't use the word I would in RL.... all I can say is you have plenty of time to lynch me when I stop being useful.

Oh and there is a fairly high probability that Rikae is a cobbler.

Mithalwen · 03-22-2009, 11:51 AM

Indeed Mac, I could quote Francis Urquhart...

Rikae · 03-22-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Indeed Mac, I could quote Francis Urquhart...

No, I don't trust you, you're not on my side - but thanks for making it obvious Mackie isn't either.

Mithalwen · 03-22-2009, 12:11 PM

If you were good you wouldn't be attacking me Rikae.

Why not read the narration? It is quite clear that the person attacked could not be killed.

Oh and you are not the good Cobbler for the same reason you are not the toothfairy, the Easter bunny or Father Christmas.

Rikae · 03-22-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mith

Oh and you are not the good Cobbler for the same reason you are not the toothfairy, the Easter bunny or Father Christmas.

But I'm all of the above, so there (don't tell my kids

).

Nilp, what do you say about Mith having been attacked last night and being impossible to kill? It sounds like we have a couple of conflicting stories on our hands, don't we?

Mithalwen · 03-22-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

But I'm all of the above, so there (don't tell my kids

).

You lie to your children? Shame on you! In the increasingly unlikely event of me having children I will tell them it is all a big lie... will save me a fortune.... I am prepared to swear allegiance to Bilious, the Oh God of Hangovers though....

Durelin · 03-22-2009, 12:42 PM

I think Mac has the right idea in ignoring the "phantom's apprentice" thing. The simple matter is that someone the wolves wanted to kill did not die, so all's good.

Evilish:

Lari - She still bothers me, as does her vote yesterDay. Maybe it's a bit too obvious, but both Nerwen and Nogrod who had yet to vote claimed at least to have some suspicion of Gwath. My only problem is that Lommy voted for her on Day 1.

Nienna - Her vote for Gwath certainly looks bad, too. She has generally been quiet and on the edge of things, so she's worrisome.

Nogrod and Nerwen - Just piled on the Lommy vote, so very hard to tell.

Rikae - Whatever she's up to it doesn't seem good. Cobbler? Wolf who thinks Mith is the seer and dreamt of her?

Creepy:

Nilp - Uh, yeah. It's Nilp. And I don't know what he's up to, either. Rikae seems cobbler-ish but so does Nilp...and if one is a wolf I'd say Rikae but I have no idea.

wilwa - Also a not good looking vote for Gwath but doesn't feel as foul.

Innocent-ish:

(Unless Lommy was a sacrifice)
Fea
Brinn
Mac
Mith

These two just feel innocent to me:
Kath
Izzy

The Lari voters could also be part of an attempt to save Lommy, but I am naturally less suspicious of them because I find Lari rather suspicious.

If, as some have mentioned, there are at least 3 or even 4 more wolves out there, then I think it's plenty likely to have had wolf-on-wolf voting both these past two Days.

Nienna · 03-22-2009, 01:01 PM

Color analysis as promised

Feanor of the Peredhil – ish-brown – in a boring sort of way

Brinniel – Phthalo Blue – she is being very reasonable right now

wilwarin538 – Cobalt Blue – I’m seeing no real reason to suspect her right now but I would like to hear more from her

Durelin – Phthalo Green – fine for the moment. She has been making some sense.

Nogrod – Burnt Siena

Isabellkya – Payne’s Grey – She seems as confused as I am… unsuspicious

Nerwen – Florescent Orange tempera – I’m slightly concerned about her at the moment… that may be just the cheerleader thing though. She is on my suspicious list for the moment

Rikae – Cadmium Yellow – acting very suspicious… and hairbrush??

Mith - Quinacridone Red – not sure really what to think of her. She makes sense and then she doesn’t make sense… but that could be just a posting requirement thing?...

Kath - Chromium Oxide Green – She is not acting overly suspicious. She is fine for me so far

Lari – Reitz Green – Her vote yesterday was a bit suspicious so she is feeling vaguely cobblerish for me right now

Mac – Viridian – speaks in codes a bit but other than that he seems innocent enough for the moment

Nienna – Titanium White – of course

Gwathagor – Naples Yellow – he still looks suspicious to me but not nearly as suspicious as others… I’m still watching him.

Nilpaurion Felagund – Ivory black – he is confusing me

Mithalwen · 03-22-2009, 01:09 PM

Creepy? I am surrounded by ducks I think...for the last hour..that is creepy.

Rikae · 03-22-2009, 01:11 PM

Haha, well, if you all think I'm so suspicious, lynch me, then! Put your money where your mouth is!

EDIT: X'd with creeped-out Mith.

Durelin · 03-22-2009, 01:11 PM

Haha, I forgot Gwath. He definitely goes in the innocent-ish category.

Heading back to school toDay (was on break) so from now on you'll probably be hearing less from me I'm afraid.

Really Nienna? I don't even remember most of those colours being in a 100 pack crayon box, and have little idea what they mean.

(Edit: Crossed with some people.)

Mithalwen · 03-22-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nienna

Mith - Quinacridone Red – not sure really what to think of her. She makes sense and then she doesn’t make sense… but that could be just a posting requirement thing?...

Synthetic pigment? Synthetic pigment? And really a bit harsh with my colouring ..much more a Rose Madder kind of girl...

Kath · 03-22-2009, 01:06 PM

I've forgotten what I wanted to add on to that earlier post but I just wanted to mention something from Durelin before I go and read through the posts again to find out what it was!

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If, as some have mentioned, there are at least 3 or even 4 more wolves out there, then I think it's plenty likely to have had wolf-on-wolf voting both these past two Days.

If you believe that might be the case then why do you think that Lommy's vote for Lari on Day 1 makes her slightly less suspicious?

Kath · 03-22-2009, 01:57 PM

Ah I remember - I was going to look at the Lommy voters having said that I think it likely that a wolf would end up voting in that bandwagon.

So the voters were:
Mith, Mac, Brinn, Fea, Gwath, Durelin, Nog, Nerwen.

Assuming three wolves, and that one wolf voted Gwath and the other was Lommy, there is probably one wolf in here. Assuming more than three wolves there may be two in here.

Mith - starts off with Lommy ringing her alarm bells a bit. Then some suspicion of Rikae, thinking she might be a Cobbler. Then says Lommy and Nienna are suspicious. Votes Lommy. Now, yes, it seems a very definite vote but for some reasoning her surety in the vote became stronger all Day despite the addition of another suspect and no extra reasoning. If she is a wolf as Rikae thinks this is a Mith I've never seen before.

Mac - starts with suspicion against Durelin and Nog, though the two seem to cancel out somewhat. Lommy originally in his unknown list not in his suspicious list which held Durelin and Nog. Feels better about Nog (why?), will get no support from Durelin and so chooses Lommy out of a pretty random list of four because he agrees with what Mith said about her which wasn't a great deal really and with what Gwath said. It feels like too little reasoning from a player like Mac.

Brinn - uncomfortable with wilwa and Lommy. Reiterates that. Votes Lommy. Well it's consistent but there isn't a huge amount behind it. Brinn this game seems to be holding back a lot, I don't know whether she's playing very carefully or is time limited or what but she doesn't feel like her usual innocent self.

Fea - I can't work out whether her 'less' list means she would trust those people less or more so, erm, could do with clarification there as Lommy was in that list. Votes Lommy, but I can't work out whether that's a continuation of a suspicion or a reversal of one. Either way some reasoning would have been really nice. If she is a wolf she could coast the whole game like this.

Gwath - his vote was clearly self preservation.

Durelin - mentions suspicion of Lommy and Mac from yesterDay and I think continued that early toDay. I think then continues that and adds suspicion of Nog, wilwa, Gwath and Nienna. Retains the same suspicions but Lari moves into the suspicious list as well. Reasoning for all. Says will vote for Lari or Lommy. Feels worse about Lari than Lommy. Votes Lommy because she already has votes. Pretty consistent, especially having come from the Day before as well.

Nog - seemed to lack suspicion of Lommy at the beginning. Didn't like Nienna, wilwa, Durelin or Brinn's votes from yesterDay. Clears Durelin and retains suspicion of Lommy, doesn't talk about the others. Some suspicion of Brinn. Whole list of people he wouldn't mind lynching; Gwath, Lommy, Fea, Brinn, wilwa, Nienna. Votes Lommy because he is out of options for actually getting people lynched.

Nerwen - suspicion of Gwath, Lommy, Mac, Mith, Rikae, Durelin, Nog. Deciding between Gwath and Lommy. Chooses Lommy because she feels worse. Apparently cross posted with a Lommy vote but it would still have been clear that Lommy was dead without her I think.

Going to post this and then have a think.

Rikae · 03-22-2009, 11:53 AM

Maybe I'm a good cobbler.

But ok, Mith, why are you still alive, if you aren't evil?

Brinniel · 03-22-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Mith is still suspect - she was running around screaming "I am the seer" yesterDay, and toDay she's still alive (and, presumably,, wasn't attacked).

Well someone was attacked last Night. Why are you so sure it wasn't her?

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Originally Posted by Mith

Oh and there is a fairly high probability that Rikae is a cobbler.

I agree.

Nienna · 03-22-2009, 12:19 PM

*is utterly and completely confused*

I've decided to let all of this information process in my brain for a while and come up with a color analysis of everyone.

Kath · 03-22-2009, 12:19 PM

Mac's list - parts of it are very interesting.

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Since Gwath was the runner-up to Quacklómien, I could very easily see a conspiracy, maybe only a spontaneous one, of the two other ducks against Gwath.

Very good point. However, even if we're assuming from the narration that there aren't just three wolves I doubt that any more than one wolf other than Lommy would have voted in that bandwagon, especially given that Lommy was in big trouble and the safer plan would have been to join that bandwagon.

The voters:
Lommy, wilwa, Nienna and Lari.

Obviously we know now that Lommy was evil. I'm going to take a look at the reasoning behind the votes of the other three.

wilwa:
Start off with Gwath, Lari and Durelin as her top suspects. Can only list bad feelings as reasoning for Lari and Durelin but finds a suspicious looking quote by Gwath and ends up with him as her top suspect. Continues with this. Mentions her top suspects as being Gwath and Lari, most likely to vote Gwath. Then votes Gwath.

Nienna:
First suspicion post has Gwath and Mith as likely votes. Mith for being too certain, Gwath for not contributing and having hidden messages. Votes Gwath for his playing style.

Lari:
List post that Lommy, Mac, Rikae, Mith and wilwa on her suspect list with Gwath on the leaning innocent list - right at the top of it in fact. Then votes Gwath ... with nothing in between.

I need to go and have dinner. I will be back afterwards as I haven't quite finished with what I wanted to look at here but from what I have looked at it looks to me like Lari might be the wolf in that little group. The sudden change on Gwath might well be the reaction of a wolf fellow of Lommy's suddenly thinking she might be able to save her. wilwa I would say looks particularly good out of the analysis. Her suspicions were stated early, well supported and consistent through the Day. Nienna ... her reasons aren't great but I think she looks less suspicious than Lari.

03-22-2009, 11:40 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I am not a duck for the record (I woiuld say that wouldn't I ?) but like a duck I am working hard beneath the surface. Of course I look strange but this game is a ..well I can't use the word I would in RL.... all I can say is you have plenty of time to lynch me when I stop being useful. Oh and there is a fairly high probability that Rikae is a cobbler. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-22-2009, 11:51 AM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Indeed Mac, I could quote Francis Urquhart... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-22-2009, 12:11 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	If you were good you wouldn't be attacking me Rikae. Why not read the narration? It is quite clear that the person attacked could not be killed. Oh and you are not the good Cobbler for the same reason you are not the toothfairy, the Easter bunny or Father Christmas. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-22-2009, 01:01 PM	#8
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	Color analysis as promised Feanor of the Peredhil – ish-brown – in a boring sort of way Brinniel – Phthalo Blue – she is being very reasonable right now wilwarin538 – Cobalt Blue – I’m seeing no real reason to suspect her right now but I would like to hear more from her Durelin – Phthalo Green – fine for the moment. She has been making some sense. Nogrod – Burnt Siena Isabellkya – Payne’s Grey – She seems as confused as I am… unsuspicious Nerwen – Florescent Orange tempera – I’m slightly concerned about her at the moment… that may be just the cheerleader thing though. She is on my suspicious list for the moment Rikae – Cadmium Yellow – acting very suspicious… and hairbrush?? Mith - Quinacridone Red – not sure really what to think of her. She makes sense and then she doesn’t make sense… but that could be just a posting requirement thing?... Kath - Chromium Oxide Green – She is not acting overly suspicious. She is fine for me so far Lari – Reitz Green – Her vote yesterday was a bit suspicious so she is feeling vaguely cobblerish for me right now Mac – Viridian – speaks in codes a bit but other than that he seems innocent enough for the moment Nienna – Titanium White – of course Gwathagor – Naples Yellow – he still looks suspicious to me but not nearly as suspicious as others… I’m still watching him. Nilpaurion Felagund – Ivory black – he is confusing me __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

03-22-2009, 01:09 PM	#9
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Creepy? I am surrounded by ducks I think...for the last hour..that is creepy. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-22-2009, 12:42 PM	#7
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I think Mac has the right idea in ignoring the "phantom's apprentice" thing. The simple matter is that someone the wolves wanted to kill did not die, so all's good. Evilish: Lari - She still bothers me, as does her vote yesterDay. Maybe it's a bit too obvious, but both Nerwen and Nogrod who had yet to vote claimed at least to have some suspicion of Gwath. My only problem is that Lommy voted for her on Day 1. Nienna - Her vote for Gwath certainly looks bad, too. She has generally been quiet and on the edge of things, so she's worrisome. Nogrod and Nerwen - Just piled on the Lommy vote, so very hard to tell. Rikae - Whatever she's up to it doesn't seem good. Cobbler? Wolf who thinks Mith is the seer and dreamt of her? Creepy: Nilp - Uh, yeah. It's Nilp. And I don't know what he's up to, either. Rikae seems cobbler-ish but so does Nilp...and if one is a wolf I'd say Rikae but I have no idea. wilwa - Also a not good looking vote for Gwath but doesn't feel as foul. Innocent-ish: (Unless Lommy was a sacrifice) Fea Brinn Mac Mith These two just feel innocent to me: Kath Izzy The Lari voters could also be part of an attempt to save Lommy, but I am naturally less suspicious of them because I find Lari rather suspicious. If, as some have mentioned, there are at least 3 or even 4 more wolves out there, then I think it's plenty likely to have had wolf-on-wolf voting both these past two Days.

03-22-2009, 01:11 PM	#10
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Haha, well, if you all think I'm so suspicious, lynch me, then! Put your money where your mouth is! EDIT: X'd with creeped-out Mith.

03-22-2009, 01:57 PM	#14
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Ah I remember - I was going to look at the Lommy voters having said that I think it likely that a wolf would end up voting in that bandwagon. So the voters were: Mith, Mac, Brinn, Fea, Gwath, Durelin, Nog, Nerwen. Assuming three wolves, and that one wolf voted Gwath and the other was Lommy, there is probably one wolf in here. Assuming more than three wolves there may be two in here. Mith - starts off with Lommy ringing her alarm bells a bit. Then some suspicion of Rikae, thinking she might be a Cobbler. Then says Lommy and Nienna are suspicious. Votes Lommy. Now, yes, it seems a very definite vote but for some reasoning her surety in the vote became stronger all Day despite the addition of another suspect and no extra reasoning. If she is a wolf as Rikae thinks this is a Mith I've never seen before. Mac - starts with suspicion against Durelin and Nog, though the two seem to cancel out somewhat. Lommy originally in his unknown list not in his suspicious list which held Durelin and Nog. Feels better about Nog (why?), will get no support from Durelin and so chooses Lommy out of a pretty random list of four because he agrees with what Mith said about her which wasn't a great deal really and with what Gwath said. It feels like too little reasoning from a player like Mac. Brinn - uncomfortable with wilwa and Lommy. Reiterates that. Votes Lommy. Well it's consistent but there isn't a huge amount behind it. Brinn this game seems to be holding back a lot, I don't know whether she's playing very carefully or is time limited or what but she doesn't feel like her usual innocent self. Fea - I can't work out whether her 'less' list means she would trust those people less or more so, erm, could do with clarification there as Lommy was in that list. Votes Lommy, but I can't work out whether that's a continuation of a suspicion or a reversal of one. Either way some reasoning would have been really nice. If she is a wolf she could coast the whole game like this. Gwath - his vote was clearly self preservation. Durelin - mentions suspicion of Lommy and Mac from yesterDay and I think continued that early toDay. I think then continues that and adds suspicion of Nog, wilwa, Gwath and Nienna. Retains the same suspicions but Lari moves into the suspicious list as well. Reasoning for all. Says will vote for Lari or Lommy. Feels worse about Lari than Lommy. Votes Lommy because she already has votes. Pretty consistent, especially having come from the Day before as well. Nog - seemed to lack suspicion of Lommy at the beginning. Didn't like Nienna, wilwa, Durelin or Brinn's votes from yesterDay. Clears Durelin and retains suspicion of Lommy, doesn't talk about the others. Some suspicion of Brinn. Whole list of people he wouldn't mind lynching; Gwath, Lommy, Fea, Brinn, wilwa, Nienna. Votes Lommy because he is out of options for actually getting people lynched. Nerwen - suspicion of Gwath, Lommy, Mac, Mith, Rikae, Durelin, Nog. Deciding between Gwath and Lommy. Chooses Lommy because she feels worse. Apparently cross posted with a Lommy vote but it would still have been clear that Lommy was dead without her I think. Going to post this and then have a think. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

03-22-2009, 11:53 AM	#15
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Maybe I'm a good cobbler. But ok, Mith, why are you still alive, if you aren't evil?

03-22-2009, 12:19 PM	#17
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	is utterly and completely confused I've decided to let all of this information process in my brain for a while and come up with a color analysis of everyone. __________________ Puddle! Puddle!