WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Nerwen]

All about Izzy:

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Get right to it. Nilp is not a Were creature.

Remember what I said yesterDay.

*scratches head* Hmmn... main thing I remember is you were a "Seer Tracker", had scried everyone (or something) and knew there was NO Seer.

And you mentioned saying this on Day 2, which is true:

#485.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

*shrug*
Could be, because there is no seer Gwath.

Only, a page before that, you said:

#476.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I think I've spotted the Seer, but I'm not telling.

In other words–

LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!

EDIT: X'd with lots of banter.

[the phantom]

Well?

Where are all the posts?

While I'm waiting... YouTube!

YouTube.

And YouTube.

[Nerwen]

So quiet...

WHERE ARE YOU ALL???

*is lonely*

[Macalaure]

Ha! Kath was a duck! I knew it! Just.... who killed her?

According to Gwath, we should trust Fea, Mith, and Nogrod. Only problem is, there might be a cursed role of some sort (five baddies + cobbler from the start?), so we can't be entirely sure about them.

Mith is the phantom. Phantom's death desirable. Principle. Worth Mith's death, too? Not sure. Fea's style contagious.

I'm rather confused about Izzy's role in all this.

Who else is left?

Durelin. I think her innocent, but one evil person must be left, so I should be careful.
Nerwen. Same as above.
Lari. Same as aboves.
Nilp. I guess we'll have to lynch him eventually, though me might get a bit of a clue via Izzy now.

[Nogrod]

Well spotted Nerwen!

I'm very uncomfortable with Izzy - even if I don't think she's a duck. But a cobbler of some sort most probably. Then the question becomes how many ducks we still have and can we afford lynching her as "just a cobbler" - and what other cababilities she has than tracking the seer (I mean what is she going to do now?). Or could she be the long-ago-mentioned "good cobbler" (whatever that is)?

Izzy's #1040 still makes me think her loyalties are leaning to the dark side:

Haha. Right in front of my face.
I think I completely understand Rikae's role now. I doubt she is as dangerous as the WereDucks.

At that moment Rikae was leading the votes with only one vote so it looks to me like an attempt to save Rikae who clearly was up to no good - and which was confirmed by her death.

Then there is this:

Originally Posted by Izzy

Because, I'm the Seer tracker. I've looked at everyone - and have found no one to be the seer. Meaning, there is no seer.

To begin with it's very hard for me to come up with a concept of a role which includes "seer-tracking" and being on the good side at the same time. But then again most everything seem to be possible in this game.

How about her claim that she has looked at everyone? Everyone? Like five checks per Night or something. Or PM:ing Sally like: "Are there any seers around?". And Sally answers: "Nope.".

Now why she felt a need to say that aloud is a good question that needs to be thought carefully as it would look like an insane "confession" from a baddie. I'm not sure there is a rational answer we could infer from what she has said and what has happened as the roles might be anything - but we need to try anyway.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Ha! Kath was a duck! I knew it! Just.... who killed her?

Yes, I need to know. How can I cheer if I don't know who did it?

Originally Posted by Macalaure

there might be a cursed role of some sort (five baddies + cobbler from the start?)

*Nerwen once more brings her STUPENDOUS PLANET-SIZED BRAIN into play*

Hmmn. Also, if there'd been five ducks on Day Two, you'd think they'd have got Gwath lynched instead of Lommy, wouldn't you?

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I'm rather confused about Izzy's role in all this.

I think she's either another cobbler, a duck, or some sort of evil gifted (edit: or a gifted cobbler, like Rikae). It's odd her voting Nienna if she's a duck, though. Mith already had two votes. (edit: irrelevant if Mac's idea is right.)

But I don't think she's one of the good guys, somehow... Maybe she is the Seer-tracker, and her job is (or was) to find the Seer and let the wolves know (Edit for clarity: still lying about having checked everyone, obviously).

ZMOG!!111!!IM LIIEK TOTALLY A GENUIS!!!1111!1!!!!GO ME111!!!!

EDIT: X'd with Nogrod; clarification. EDIT2: left out a bit.

[Mithalwen]

I would guess that Issy (as other brave players have in the past) was making an attempt to save Gwath after his reveal. There was a dream catcher in a game I didn't play in so I have no idea how it works. Maybe effectivey a good cobbler... a cobbler will take a fall for the wolves after all... a "good cobbler" would stick their neck out for the gifteds..

Nogrod, I read the post that freaks you as "I know that Rikae is the cobbler. ergo she isn't as dangerous as a duck". I wouldn't over analyse this it... we need to focus on killing ducks. And I think that even a shrunken flock must mean ducks rather than one duck.

Mac dear...I don't think Phantom's death is desirable ....(I would say that wouldn't I...) Mine definitely isn't...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Nogrod, I read the post that freaks you as "I know that Rikae is the cobbler. ergo she isn't as dangerous as a duck". I wouldn't over analyse this it... we need to focus on killing ducks.

It's not so much the "she isn't as dangerous as ducks" - part of it, but the preceding part that makes me nervous, the "I completely understand Rikae's role now" -thing. That just doesn't look genuine.

Were she an ordinary innocent who just realised that Rikae indeed is a cobbler she would have said something along the lines of "Yay, I see now why you think Rikae is a cobbler and it fits", or ""I think Rikae is a cobbler" - and then she could have inferred that she's probably less dangerous than the actual ducks. That could have been innocentish.

But she said she suddenly understood Rikae's role completely! Practically claiming she not only knew Rikae was a cobbler but also that she knew what other cababilities, tasks and goals Rikae had - and armed with that "complete understanding" of Rikae's role she saw she was less dangerous than the ducks.

So it's a much more forceful defence - and is clearly based on something that is not true (I'm hesitant to use the word lie anymore after what happened I used it the previous time ). There is no way Izzy suddenly gained full knowledge of every facet that went into Rikae's role, but still she claimed to have it and leaning on it tried to prevent us from lynching her.

She didn't claim "complete understanding" of Rikae's role for nothing. Making that kind of untrue claims have a reason behind them.