Game Thread: Werewolf- this time it's real!

[Nogrod]

"Now let's get serious about this..." Nogrod suggested and emptied his pint.

"Looking at the graveness of the situation I find it less than tolerable that you guys use your time with empty banter about Disney-characters..." He looked around and gathered his courage, drawing breath.

"Hey there!" he shouted from the bottom of his lungs. "Listen!!!"

The crowd went a bit more silent with that.

"If what we saw and heard is true, it means we have to kill someone toDay. Have you thought about it? This is no game, we have to kill someone, for real! Think about it! Who are you ready to vote this time? It's not just the common WW-vote in the 'Downs but your vote is for someone for real... Just think about it... and speak accordingly".

Nogrod looked at Aganzir and Form and their light banter with suspicious eyes.

"I've already lost one daughter and I mean not to lose another... unless my remaining daughter is possessed by evil in which case it will be a tragedy over all proportions and I will be ready to die after that as well as I will have no reason to live then. So keep this as fun as you like but remember that our decisdions have consequences far more terrible compared to those we make in a WW-game in the 'Downs. It's true this time. And really: someone has to kill someone for real."

Nogrod looked around and drew breath one more time.

"So just remember that this time what you say actually means something. If you say: "Gah: let's vote for X as I don't have a clue and don't bother to think it more", it means someone dies for real because of that lazyness of yours (or cowardish self-preservation)! So talk people and be real. The deaths will be real here..."

EDIT: *bans himself for using the word "real" in the next five posts...*

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So talk people and be real. The deaths will be real here...

Now, now... calm down Nogrod. Put things into perspective. If this really is a really real real calamity, then we really need to cope with it, really, in a real manner like real people would really do.

So if Agan and I continue to banter about Disney characters, it's clearly because we're absolutely distraught and we're seeking outlet somewhere safe and comfy--and what's more that than old Disney movies? Really!

In any case, people, you have to remember that this is STILL Day 1. Lives are on the line--yes; but that does not mean that we have anything more to go by than if this were just WW 5X on the 'Downs. And surely you don't mean to analyse Day-1's behaviour?

Anyway, my dear Agan, there's difficulty in assigning me to Frollo and you Esmeralda insofar as the real me doesn't have as much of a crush on Esmeralda as some of the other Disney ladies. Out of the Disney canon, I'm probably fondest of Belle--and that's a very different character from Esmeralda. So what you need to find, going off this evidence, for my perfect woman would be along the lines of: sweet, quiet, bookworm (I'd even go so far and say Belle is a brunette, but that might be getting unconscionably Freudian, as I inherit my brown hair from my mother...).

It's hardly possible that we've got any sweet girls of quieter disposition and a propensity to books at this Downer gathering, right? Clearly, Form shall remain the celibate man he is, with little difficulty.

[Nienna]

Nienna puts on a brave face even though she is now terrified. People have died in her midst... this was something she hoped would never happen. She decides that she needs some time to think. She finds herself a quiet corner and thinks about all the events that have transpired. This is all very surreal, she thinks to herself. She thought that she was just getting together for a fun outing with a bunch of 'Downer friends and she finds herself in the midst of a real life WW game... and not that just playing WW in real life but actually having to decide who is evil and who is innocent.

Nienna looks around suspiciously. Even the people that she knows are her friends can no longer be trusted.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Dear computer: epic fail.

I just had a really long post which more or less didn't say anything, but was quite well written.

It was kind of like "Fea does things" and "Fea says things" and there was a veiled metaphorical "I'm going to bed" tucked neatly onto the end.

The main theme was "Let's put the corpses in the freezer so they don't rot while we try to sort this Witch King thing out," and "Oh dear, I have to go from being a staunch pacifist in Real Life to being a murderer of my peers! Gasp! I don't know if my personal code of ethics can stand a lynching!"

Yeah.

Anyway, the computer ate my post.

But I'm here, I'm going to bed, I'll see all y'all tomorrow.

[Isabellkya]

Mr. Nogrod. How do you know everything we experience now is real and serious business?
Last thing I remember is the lights going out and slumping to the floor. When did the lights come back on, and we all rose?

[Kent2010]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So talk people and be real. The deaths will be real here..."

Ok. What do you think about bonus votes?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

EDIT: *bans himself for using the word "real" in the next five posts...*

Does that apply for other forms of the word, such as, but are not limited to, 'reality' or 'really?'

[Brinniel]

Brinn realised now things were getting serious. No more silly games; it was time for everyone to get down to business and weed out these baddies. There were a lot of people here and all needed to be watched closely.

Brinn sat in her corner and contemplated what her strategy would be in order to find the baddies. Better to find them all sooner than later since she didn't want to get eaten in the Night. Should she go after the ones who act obviously suspicious, or those who slip under the radar? What would be the smartest way to use these bonus votes? Should she use them all at once or spread them out? Brinn was always a careful player, so maybe she should save them for a time when they might be needed most.

Though perhaps Brinn's biggest question of all was, why was she still talking to herself in third person?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

*is bored in his shiny cloak he was wearing all the time underneath his clothes*

++satansaloser2005 (+0)

The closest thing to an autovote. ('cos Mistress Rikae's not here. )

[Kent2010]

Intermission status-report (eventhough we are past the half way point).

Form and Agan stand out the most, as they flaunt themselves around. Innocent.

Followed by Nogrod, who tries to spur us to action. Innocent.

Everyone else is pretty forgettable, and will continue to watch.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Kent

Ok. What do you think about bonus votes?

Those are tricky ones. Basically I think most of us think like Brinn that one should keep them in reserve for the moment when they are needed the most. It sounds like wisdom as getting it right on Day1 is relatively hard. But there is also the problem that when you die all those unused votes are lost as well - and you never know when you're going to be taken out, especially during the Nights. So I'm probably going to use at least some of them quite early on if I just think I have a clue about someone being possessed by the evil spirits.

Also Finrod might do well to pay heed to the fact that the evil ones may take the number of votes a person has as one ground for picking her/him during the Night. I don't think it is a decisive factor but it most probably will be one of the factors they need to consider - especially later when our numbers have grown thinner.

But even more interesting I think is the possibility of retracking your vote once everyDay but leaving a certain number of those added votes to the one from whom you retract! That basically gives us a possibility to vote for two people on the same Day - and with different weight. I don't think I need to say it aloud that that is a double-edged sword which should be used wisely.

Originally Posted by Form

And surely you don't mean to analyse Day-1's behaviour?

Gah... I think we've had this discussion a few times before at the forum (right Nilp? ). But yes I will... later on the Day. In case someone actually starts talking, that is.

If we all just continue on Disney we could as well throw a coin to decide our votes - and continue toMorrow with no lead whatsoever. The baddies would just love it!

It is not once or twice that a wolf has been lynched on Day1 in 'Downs werewolf - with sound reasoning - so why think it would be impossible here in a **** situation (sorry, I just follow my ban for a certain word here I imposed to myself - so no bad language involved).

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Gah... I think we've had this discussion a few times before at the forum (right Nilp? ). But yes I will... later on the Day. In case someone actually starts talking, that is.

Oh yes, we've had this discussion before... Nilp and I are not quite parallel in our Day 1 attitudes, but we're on communicable wavelengths.

The difficulty with analysing Day 1 is that there's a continuum problem about WHEN it's worthy to start analysing. Do you start with the first vote? Chances are the vote is completely random, given the limited number of wolves (who have clear knowledge of whom they should be trying to kill) and the complete lack of votes before that to compare it to. Should it be after the first analytic post? Seems silly--the post will just be analysing silliness.

Basically, my point is that, in general Day 1s are really not going to reveal anything significant until AFTER Day 1 has ended. While still in the process, Day 1 is inevitably going to have so many unknowable variables that it is essentially worthless to make a serious effort to analyse it during its course. It's only, perhaps, in the last hour or so, when the votes coming flying onto bandwaggons that there's much to grasp for analysis.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If we all just continue on Disney we could as well throw a coin to decide our votes - and continue toMorrow with no lead whatsoever. The baddies would just love it!

Of course they would--but Day 2 is significantly different from Day 1. On Day 2 we have a Nighttime kill--or NO Nighttime kill, if the Ranger-figure of the game has done his/her job. This, and the total accumulation of Day 1 actions is where I put the bar for having sufficient action to analyse.

We can, of course, stop the Disney talk and go on to something else... I'm just not convinced that this "something else" has any merit at this time.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It is not once or twice that a wolf has been lynched on Day1 in 'Downs werewolf - with sound reasoning - so why think it would be impossible here in a **** situation (sorry, I just follow my ban for a certain word here I imposed to myself - so no bad language involved).

With sound reasoning? Then the Wolves were slipping up majorly, or else everyone knew each other too... and I'm not seeing evidence of either yet.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nog

This is no game, we have to kill someone, for real! Think about it! Who are you ready to vote this time? It's not just the common WW-vote in the 'Downs but your vote is for someone for real...

Then there's no way I'm voting for you or Green today, and I'd like to avoid voting Brinn, Fea, Form, Nilp, sally and Shasta as well. That leaves only people who are new or who I've had relatively little interaction with, which doesn't sound quite fair, either. Ergo, I should probably vote for the one(s) I suspect the most, whoever they are...

Originally Posted by Form

It's hardly possible that we've got any sweet girls of quieter disposition and a propensity to books at this Downer gathering, right? Clearly, Form shall remain the celibate man he is, with little difficulty.

What about Brinn or Green?

Originally Posted by Kuru

Isn't there a tad bit of inconsistency here?

No because Frollo appeared good but was in fact evil and just used Quasimodo to his own ends.

Originally Posted by Kent

Ok. What do you think about bonus votes?

They'll weigh more in the end when there are fewer people around. People should think about how to use them wisely. Vote counts are almost useless because there's Pippin messing things up. The baddies might want to try to save their bonus votes for later as there's nothing very suspicious in that ("I don't suspect anyone enough to give xem several votes now, I'd rather wait till my bonus votes are actually needed..."), but it's dangerous if they get their votes to overnumber ours. Basically they could just control the game by lynching innocents during the days and killing them at night. Etc.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

The baddies might want to try to save their bonus votes for later as there's nothing very suspicious in that ("I don't suspect anyone enough to give xem several votes now, I'd rather wait till my bonus votes are actually needed..."), but it's dangerous if they get their votes to overnumber ours. Basically they could just control the game by lynching innocents during the days and killing them at night. Etc.

Exactly. And as they face no imminent danger of dying during the Nights they can afford to keep their bonus votes in reserve!

That is a dilemma indeed as I'm not sure I'd propose us mechanically lynching those with the greatest number of votes left just to be on the safe side...

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What about Brinn or Green?

I fear you have taken my previous statement in a more serious light than its intended (if not evident) sarcasm intended. The 'Downs is, indeed, full of quiet, sweet, bookworm ladies. And this game is not lacking either.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Kent2010

Intermission status-report (eventhough we are past the half way point).

Thankfully Day One is a bit longer this go around...no doubt due to all the weirdness surrounding events.

Day 1 will be 36 hours as well in order to get the deadline back to schedule and allow everyone time to post.

-the phantom

Nice to see Nilp is being his usual weird self. In a way there may be some sense in killing people who don't speak at all as a way of keeping us from losing two people at once due to modfire...but I don't think that is a tactic likely to net us many wolves nor are we in danger of losing one to modfire, yet.

[Kent2010]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

In a way there may be some sense in killing people who don't speak at all as a way of keeping us from losing two people at once due to modfire...but I don't think that is a tactic likely to net us many wolves nor are we in danger of losing one to modfire, yet.

Indeed, if we were taking a conservative, least chance of disaster route today, I would only consider Alonariel, as she has shown no indication of being present or will be present. I believe everyone else on the list has at least made it known they are here and able to participate (now or during Day -1). 99.9% certainty we won't get a wolf, but we would avoid taking the bigger cost in lynching someone in Alonariel's place. Let the wolves make there move and come reconvene tomorrow with some more info.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sorry Brinn but I like mine better.

The vote list (times in GMT +8):

• 19:10 Nilp - Sally
  Sally - 1
  
  
• 04:58 Green - Agan (no highlight)
  Sally - 1
  
  
• 06:39 Kuru - Agan
  Sally - 1, Agan - 1
  
  
• 08:27 Fea - Agan
  Sally - 1, Agan - 2
  
  
• 09:47 Nienna - Nog
  Sally - 1, Agan - 2, Nog - 1
  
  
• 10:02 Agan - Kuru +1
  Sally - 1, Agan - 2, Nog - 1, Kuru - 2
  
  
• 10:54 Kent - Kuru
  Sally - 1, Agan - 2, Nog - 1, Kuru - 3

Yet to vote: Alonariel, Brinn, Firefoot, Form, Gwath, Izzy, Nog, Sally, Shasta.

Many no votes. Hide your head in the sand day?

Incoherent thoughts

Just had a thought about bonus vote usage and Thuringwethil influence. Will organise thoughts on a different post.

I quite like Kent. He thinks well.

Kuru 211/Agan 204 set off alarms in my head. In cahoots? Agan 216 a seer hint? Agan 232 is a bit relieving, but perhaps clutching at straws? Does not look that way, well reasoned. Also, a Baddie would not display a Cobbler hint to the village. Both bears watching--more so than normal, I mean.

Apparently highlighting something also bolds it automatically. Would save me typing time.