Game Thread: Werewolf- this time it's real!

[Kent2010]

Intermission status-report (eventhough we are past the half way point).

Form and Agan stand out the most, as they flaunt themselves around. Innocent.

Followed by Nogrod, who tries to spur us to action. Innocent.

Everyone else is pretty forgettable, and will continue to watch.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Kent

Ok. What do you think about bonus votes?

Those are tricky ones. Basically I think most of us think like Brinn that one should keep them in reserve for the moment when they are needed the most. It sounds like wisdom as getting it right on Day1 is relatively hard. But there is also the problem that when you die all those unused votes are lost as well - and you never know when you're going to be taken out, especially during the Nights. So I'm probably going to use at least some of them quite early on if I just think I have a clue about someone being possessed by the evil spirits.

Also Finrod might do well to pay heed to the fact that the evil ones may take the number of votes a person has as one ground for picking her/him during the Night. I don't think it is a decisive factor but it most probably will be one of the factors they need to consider - especially later when our numbers have grown thinner.

But even more interesting I think is the possibility of retracking your vote once everyDay but leaving a certain number of those added votes to the one from whom you retract! That basically gives us a possibility to vote for two people on the same Day - and with different weight. I don't think I need to say it aloud that that is a double-edged sword which should be used wisely.

Originally Posted by Form

And surely you don't mean to analyse Day-1's behaviour?

Gah... I think we've had this discussion a few times before at the forum (right Nilp? ). But yes I will... later on the Day. In case someone actually starts talking, that is.

If we all just continue on Disney we could as well throw a coin to decide our votes - and continue toMorrow with no lead whatsoever. The baddies would just love it!

It is not once or twice that a wolf has been lynched on Day1 in 'Downs werewolf - with sound reasoning - so why think it would be impossible here in a **** situation (sorry, I just follow my ban for a certain word here I imposed to myself - so no bad language involved).

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Gah... I think we've had this discussion a few times before at the forum (right Nilp? ). But yes I will... later on the Day. In case someone actually starts talking, that is.

Oh yes, we've had this discussion before... Nilp and I are not quite parallel in our Day 1 attitudes, but we're on communicable wavelengths.

The difficulty with analysing Day 1 is that there's a continuum problem about WHEN it's worthy to start analysing. Do you start with the first vote? Chances are the vote is completely random, given the limited number of wolves (who have clear knowledge of whom they should be trying to kill) and the complete lack of votes before that to compare it to. Should it be after the first analytic post? Seems silly--the post will just be analysing silliness.

Basically, my point is that, in general Day 1s are really not going to reveal anything significant until AFTER Day 1 has ended. While still in the process, Day 1 is inevitably going to have so many unknowable variables that it is essentially worthless to make a serious effort to analyse it during its course. It's only, perhaps, in the last hour or so, when the votes coming flying onto bandwaggons that there's much to grasp for analysis.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If we all just continue on Disney we could as well throw a coin to decide our votes - and continue toMorrow with no lead whatsoever. The baddies would just love it!

Of course they would--but Day 2 is significantly different from Day 1. On Day 2 we have a Nighttime kill--or NO Nighttime kill, if the Ranger-figure of the game has done his/her job. This, and the total accumulation of Day 1 actions is where I put the bar for having sufficient action to analyse.

We can, of course, stop the Disney talk and go on to something else... I'm just not convinced that this "something else" has any merit at this time.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It is not once or twice that a wolf has been lynched on Day1 in 'Downs werewolf - with sound reasoning - so why think it would be impossible here in a **** situation (sorry, I just follow my ban for a certain word here I imposed to myself - so no bad language involved).

With sound reasoning? Then the Wolves were slipping up majorly, or else everyone knew each other too... and I'm not seeing evidence of either yet.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nog

This is no game, we have to kill someone, for real! Think about it! Who are you ready to vote this time? It's not just the common WW-vote in the 'Downs but your vote is for someone for real...

Then there's no way I'm voting for you or Green today, and I'd like to avoid voting Brinn, Fea, Form, Nilp, sally and Shasta as well. That leaves only people who are new or who I've had relatively little interaction with, which doesn't sound quite fair, either. Ergo, I should probably vote for the one(s) I suspect the most, whoever they are...

Originally Posted by Form

It's hardly possible that we've got any sweet girls of quieter disposition and a propensity to books at this Downer gathering, right? Clearly, Form shall remain the celibate man he is, with little difficulty.

What about Brinn or Green?

Originally Posted by Kuru

Isn't there a tad bit of inconsistency here?

No because Frollo appeared good but was in fact evil and just used Quasimodo to his own ends.

Originally Posted by Kent

Ok. What do you think about bonus votes?

They'll weigh more in the end when there are fewer people around. People should think about how to use them wisely. Vote counts are almost useless because there's Pippin messing things up. The baddies might want to try to save their bonus votes for later as there's nothing very suspicious in that ("I don't suspect anyone enough to give xem several votes now, I'd rather wait till my bonus votes are actually needed..."), but it's dangerous if they get their votes to overnumber ours. Basically they could just control the game by lynching innocents during the days and killing them at night. Etc.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

The baddies might want to try to save their bonus votes for later as there's nothing very suspicious in that ("I don't suspect anyone enough to give xem several votes now, I'd rather wait till my bonus votes are actually needed..."), but it's dangerous if they get their votes to overnumber ours. Basically they could just control the game by lynching innocents during the days and killing them at night. Etc.

Exactly. And as they face no imminent danger of dying during the Nights they can afford to keep their bonus votes in reserve!

That is a dilemma indeed as I'm not sure I'd propose us mechanically lynching those with the greatest number of votes left just to be on the safe side...

[Firefoot]

They were all taking this seriously... that must mean it was real... "So you're all sure this isn't just some kind of weird joke phantom's staged for us?" Blank looks. "Right then..."

Bonus votes... that's new. But I definitely think they ought to be saved for a bit later - a sort of trump card. Besides, in these first few days no one's ever sure of anything. But, then again, maybe this is all just common sense.

I don't have time now. So I propose that our three wolves are Aganzir, Nilp, and Shasta. Discuss.

[Nienna]

... I have absolutely no idea who is evil. Day One's are always really hard as no one has really had time to act suspicious and we don't have votes to analyze.

The bonus votes are going to prove interesting. Both baddies and innocents have reason to use them or to save them... so that could be tricky. It may be more benificial to just see who is throwing their weight around where and then speculate.

And as a side note... is deadline in 3.5 hours or 15.5?

Edit: x-ed with Kuru kindly answering my question without even knowing it :-D

[Firefoot]

Originally Posted by Agan
I think it might have something to do with what kind of titles we give to our posts...

I also think this is a rather odd comment, seeing as very few people actually are giving titles to their posts... Kuru has yellow boots as an icon on all of his, which seems rather innocuous, but there are only about two or three posts that actually have titles. Agan, what are you getting at?

Essentially, I think Kent's theory is sound that the wolves might have a canned response to the bonus vote question... but I definitely think it also ought to be taken with a grain of salt, as I imagine most of the people here have thought about it at least a little bit and had a general idea going into the game of how it might be most useful. Besides, the success rate at spotting "canned vs. candid" isn't always that great...

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Agan

However I don't want the cobbler to be a known innocent if the seer dreams of him and that's the main reason I brought him up.

Of course not. It wouldn't be smart to completely trust someone simply because they turned out innocent in a seer's dream. And while a cobbler can be potentially dangerous, I think it'd be better to not worry ourselves about the dreamt innocents and focus on the unknowns since the cobbler does count toward the innocent tally in the long run. The best we can hope for is that the baddies accidentally kill their cobbler. Now if a known innocent is acting obviously cobblerish, that could be a different story depending on what the village/baddie ratio is at the time.

Btw, Greenie's vote doesn't count since it isn't highlighted, if someone wants to let her know that (though I assume she's fast asleep by now).

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Agan

Originally Posted by Agan

Am I still too obscure?

I don't know how to take this. She defended her smilies/winks, but they seem so awkwardly placed. Like, every time she's talking about bad guys. Or maybe it's just jumping out at me and doesn't mean anything. But asking if she's being too obscure... It's the first day. Who hints at things on the first day and then points to it? Or, who doesn't hint to things, but doesn't clarify when people think she is? Or...

All in all, of everybody, I feel worst about Agan.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

She defended her smilies/winks, but they seem so awkwardly placed. Like, every time she's talking about bad guys.

Oh really? I can't see how you came up with that "every time she's talking about bad guys". I talked about baddies without using smilies and used smilies without talking about baddies. That's quite a far-fetched argument.

Originally Posted by Fea

But asking if she's being too obscure... It's the first day. Who hints at things on the first day and then points to it? Or, who doesn't hint to things, but doesn't clarify when people think she is? Or...

Is there still someone who didn't realise I was suggesting Kuru was giving cobbler hints? I would have expected everyone to at least notice that post title. That question was meant in an ironical way. Because it seemed nobody understood what I was talking about.

I have a feeling everyone is misinterpreting me on purpose!

Nog I'm starting to understand why you tried to be quieter on day ones.

Sniff.

edit: xed with Form & love him again.

[Aganzir]

Hmm and there's a chance that the person the wolves attack turns into a wolf too, so it's dangerous also for the innocents to save their votes till later. Basically I suppose it'd be safest that everyone got rid of their extra votes as soon as possible, but that would be boring & destroy the whole point of having bonus votes.

At least when the game gets closer to the end, people with lots of votes left should be kept an eye on.

edit: xed & disagree with Firefoot.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What about Brinn or Green?

I fear you have taken my previous statement in a more serious light than its intended (if not evident) sarcasm intended. The 'Downs is, indeed, full of quiet, sweet, bookworm ladies. And this game is not lacking either.

[A Little Green]

So. I intend to go to sleep very soon. The problem is, like the problem on Day 1s tends to be, that I don't know who to vote. I've been trying to look for patterns in what's going on. Haven't found much.

Originally Posted by Agan

I'm watching Kuru.

Originally Posted by Kuru, about a post of Agan's

One has to ask themselves who would be the most interested in getting us skeptical of the Seer and us not focusing on the wolves. Answer, the wolves.

What struck me as interesting is that even with this little going on Agan and Kuru manage to sort of cross-suspect each other. Considering the amount of material there is to derive any sorts of opinions on, it seems weird that those two should so neatly have little suspicions of each other.

Also, I am slightly worried by those people who haven't showed up. Alonariel has trouble with her internet, fine, but where are Sally and Lari? Does anyone know about them?

Anyone around?

[Aganzir]

I like Gwath but I'm not sure he's innocent.

Originally Posted by Kent

I would consider voting for Alonariel --- but she is most likely not a wolf.

How does not showing up make her innocent? Unless you have some special knowledge of course.

Originally Posted by Kent

Amongst the baddies too there might be a consensus to strategy/using the new feature.

Yeah there might and they've probably discussed it, but quite often the wolf strategy is simple as this: "Let's be as normal towards one another as possible and react to situations like we'd normally do and think about all this stuff later when it's more actual".

Originally Posted by Kuru

How do you exactly propose to track them down?

Everybody should open their mouth so we can see who has a forked tongue.

Originally Posted by Kuru

It would be the easiest thing in the world not to leave any sort of traces.

And risk getting killed by his own team? That has happened before.

Originally Posted by Kuru

One has to ask themselves who would be the most interested in getting us skeptical of the Seer and us not focusing on the wolves. Answer, the wolves.

I've been a wolf in a game where the seer couldn't identify the cobbler, and he was one of her known innocents when we killed her. Unfortunately for the village, we knew his identity by then and naturally left him alive to seal our victory. Pretty, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Form

or NO Nighttime kill, if the Ranger-figure of the game has done his/her job.

If the ranger-figure does xyr job, we have two night kills.

Originally Posted by Greenie

What struck me as interesting is that even with this little going on Agan and Kuru manage to sort of cross-suspect each other.

I think it might have something to do with what kind of titles we give to our posts...

[A Little Green]

I'm off to bed now. I have no idea who to vote so I'll go by instinct alone and vote

++Aganzir

I dunno - there is a chance my sort of bad feeling about Agan is just due to the fact that I disagree with her a lot. I hope it isn't. I have little to say about anyone else. Kent, Form and Gwath seem okay this far. No one stands out as suspicious.

Good night.

[Nogrod]

This is the quietest Day1 ever! Sadly I'm not in a position to make it much more livelier as it's midnight here and I have an early morning call. But I've read the latest and need to give it some thought.

Anyone else around?

EDIT: My question seems to be answered with a couple of posts...

[Nogrod]

Okay. I see what Greenie is after and I think she has a point there.

Also I don't like some of Agan's comments - like the two last ones from her post just there.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

If the ranger-figure does xyr job, we have two night kills.

The comment itself is like the rules are, but the smilie there? I wouldn't think it a fun thing we lose Finrod.

Originally Posted by Agan

I think it might have something to do with what kind of titles we give to our posts...

That same wink again. Maybe we are talking about Grima here sending messages to Kuru whom she thinks is a baddie?

But that's quite wavering as yet and I'm not sure I'd wish to vote for the person who has been most argumentative and active from anyone of us here toDay. Given the slender weight of these suspicions, that is.

So what, like 50 posts in 28+ hours! And half of the Americans are having computer problems? A few haven't even showed their noses around? What is this?


Okay. I'm going to take a risk now. My work starts at the DL but I will try to wake up a bit earlier than usual and read the thread and vote then.

With this information I could as well flip a coin but that's against my principles.

[Kent2010]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

How does not showing up make her innocent? Unless you have some special knowledge of course.

An assumption, based on the ModGod's selections, and even though there is an understandable reason, there has been no appearance at all - through Day -1 or now. So, why choose someone to be a baddie if there's a reasonable chance to believe that person can't be here and if said person can't be here will be modfired?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yeah there might and they've probably discussed it, but quite often the wolf strategy is simple as this: "Let's be as normal towards one another as possible and react to situations like we'd normally do and think about all this stuff later when it's more actual".

Aha, see you said there might be, which means there might be good info to find in people's responses to the bonus votes. I might be new to werewolfing, but bonus votes are new to everyone, and no one should have any idea on the way you best use them. But the wolf team has had lots of time to talk about it. So, people's responses about them are there, now go see if there's any good info there.

I would, but I should get back to studying for my Macro exam in 40 minutes and I have no idea how people play; style and personality I would assume is a factor in this place too.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Kent2010

An assumption, based on the ModGod's selections, and even though there is an understandable reason, there has been no appearance at all - through Day -1 or now. So, why choose someone to be a baddie if there's a reasonable chance to believe that person can't be here and if said person can't be here will be modfire?

Can you explain what you mean a bit deeper here, Kent? More specifically, the bit about "the ModGod's selections." To the best of my knowledge (granting that my knowledge of the Admin thread is not infallible), I don't think the phantom has stated anywhere what sort of manner he would be using to assign the roles. Granted, this doesn't mean that he took dice or some other random method to assign them, but I tend to assume that as the normal way for assigning roles. Of course, it HAS been quite a while since I've been immersed in WW culture.

Furthermore, insofar as the Co-Mod seems to be personally apprised of Alonariel's situation, it seems that the phantom would have known at the time of assigning that she would probably be involved in the game, and though she's the most obviously absent person, at least she has a confirmed excuse, which the rest of our mostly-missing members do not.

Of course, I suppose you could be basing your assessment of the phantom's assignation of roles to the one you received, but I'm baffled as to how I should interpret what that would mean.

EDIT: X-posted with Brinn and Agan

[Isabellkya]

I think you give Grima too much credit, Agan. According to the information posted on the the side of the wall; Grima can only make a gifted fall ill - once.

I think those infected by the evil orbs, might be smoother this time around. Since they can converse with each other any time they want. Whether or not that will lead to a big difference and change; with harder and possibly easier hunting in some regards...

I don't think we should be overly focusing on the extra votes.
We all have them - check.
Not everyone has the same intentions - check.
No one is infallible or omniscient - check.

There are too many variables at this time to try and lay out a course of certain action in regards to such votes and usage. If we were all machinery and programed with a certain task in mind, with no possibility for deviation - then I suppose then we could predict when the best time would be to use them. Here, not so much.

X'd with Agan and Greenie

[Aganzir]

*looks tragic*

Ah, kill me, Greenie! Then at least I may follow Thinlómien, whom I loved above anything else in this world!

Anyway I don't like Greenie's vote, and not only because it was for me. She says she disagrees with me a lot, but I haven't spoken a lot yet, plus she has mentioned barely any of those reasons.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I think you give Grima too much credit, Agan. According to the information posted on the the side of the wall; Grima can only make a gifted fall ill - once.

Yes if it was only that I'd probably be giving him too much credit. However I don't want the cobbler to be a known innocent if the seer dreams of him and that's the main reason I brought him up.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

but I haven't spoken a lot yet

What?

You've posted a ton toDay (at least by toDay's standards). Not that this is by definition a bad thing but...I don't know, Aganzir is striking me as awfully fishy.

Unfortunately, due to my schedule today I'm going to have to vote now.

++ Aganzir (0)

Out of everyone toDay she seems to be acting the most suspicious to my mind. Its not because she's been talking a lot, its that some of the things she's said haven't made much sense and she's been rather inconsistent.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Kent2010

Intermission status-report (eventhough we are past the half way point).

Thankfully Day One is a bit longer this go around...no doubt due to all the weirdness surrounding events.

Day 1 will be 36 hours as well in order to get the deadline back to schedule and allow everyone time to post.

-the phantom

Nice to see Nilp is being his usual weird self. In a way there may be some sense in killing people who don't speak at all as a way of keeping us from losing two people at once due to modfire...but I don't think that is a tactic likely to net us many wolves nor are we in danger of losing one to modfire, yet.

[Kent2010]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

In a way there may be some sense in killing people who don't speak at all as a way of keeping us from losing two people at once due to modfire...but I don't think that is a tactic likely to net us many wolves nor are we in danger of losing one to modfire, yet.

Indeed, if we were taking a conservative, least chance of disaster route today, I would only consider Alonariel, as she has shown no indication of being present or will be present. I believe everyone else on the list has at least made it known they are here and able to participate (now or during Day -1). 99.9% certainty we won't get a wolf, but we would avoid taking the bigger cost in lynching someone in Alonariel's place. Let the wolves make there move and come reconvene tomorrow with some more info.

[Gwathagor]

Sorry I haven't really been around yet. Internet trouble. I'm at work now, so I can't stay, but I'll try to stop by and vote later.

[Aganzir]

Brinn's first post is slightly unnerving. I don't know why. Her first posts always are.

I'm watching Kuru.

Kent who is in your avatar? He looks almost exactly like a guy I went to school with.

Nog looks quite innocentish. Or rather, genuinely helpful. It's impossible to say anything concrete yet, though.

Originally Posted by Nogz

But yes I will... later on the Day. In case someone actually starts talking, that is.

Form talked about Day -1 behaviour. I assume you're not going to analyze that?

Firefoot I'm fine with bonus votes being saved for later. But that means everyone, or at least most of us, should do it. I don't want a situation to occur where there are a few people with almost all and some with almost no votes left.

Originally Posted by Kent

99.9% certainty we won't get a wolf, but we would avoid taking the bigger cost in lynching someone in Alonariel's place.

No - we get a baddie (ie wolf or cobbler) with 23.5% certainty. And actually it's even more likely since their behaviour can give them away.
I can't say I really like your suggestion. The result of today's lynch is a part of the information we will have tomorrow, and it reveals more if we don't take the easy route and kill a non-show. Or well it's also that you suggested it so early and in that way.

Hmm almost 24 hours have passed and four people haven't spoken yet. Do you Elmira people have any idea about Alonariel?

Some things about the rules.

Gríma doesn't have a way to communicate with the baddies in private, but his ability to make gifteds fall ill makes him more dangerous than a normal cobbler. That's why I think it's as important to find him as the wolves. Also, the seer can't find him and should keep in mind that one of her known innocents might in fact be the cobbler.

I wonder why Elrond & others decided to send Pippin here. He doesn't seem to be aiding us.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm here and reading... I mean, processing the events of the day.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Hmm almost 24 hours have passed and four people haven't spoken yet. Do you Elmira people have any idea about Alonariel?

Lari should be yelling at her as we speak.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Fea

probably going to vote for Brinn because I'll never know her alignment, and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

But you always vote for me on Day One. Why not try something a little less predictable?

[Gwathagor]

I was thinking I would have to vote now, but I see that Day 1 is 36 hours, so NEVER MIND.

I, like Aganzir, disagree with Kent's fatalism regarding our chances of finding a wolf toDay. That kind of attitude effectively ruins any chance that we do have of lynching a wolf toDay - and it does occasionally happen. Kent says let the wolves make the first move, but I say BAD IDEA. They'll make a clean, trace-less kill toNight, and then we'll still be starting from scratch toMorrow. We need to start actively hunting the wolves now, toDay.

Let's see...

In general, we should save the bonus votes for late in the game and for when we are nearly certain about a player's alignment. No gambling unless it's absolutely necessary.

Ok, have to go. More later.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Gríma doesn't have a way to communicate with the baddies in private, but his ability to make gifteds fall ill makes him more dangerous than a normal cobbler. That's why I think it's as important to find him as the wolves. Also, the seer can't find him and should keep in mind that one of her known innocents might in fact be the cobbler.

How do you exactly propose to track them down?

It would be the easiest thing in the world not to leave any sort of traces.

I dislike the implication that we can't trust the Seer and I don't particularly care for much side distraction off the main course of killing wolves/bat.

One has to ask themselves who would be the most interested in getting us skeptical of the Seer and us not focusing on the wolves. Answer, the wolves.

[Kent2010]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

I dislike the implication that we can't trust the Seer and I don't particularly care for much side distraction off the main course of killing wolves/bat.

One has to ask themselves who would be the most interested in getting us skeptical of the Seer and us not focusing on the wolves. Answer, the wolves.

That's a bit of an over reaction to Agan's pertinent point that the Seer will find Grima to be an Ordo. I didn't detect any implication of distrust, it's a relevant fact.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sorry Brinn but I like mine better.

The vote list (times in GMT +8):

• 19:10 Nilp - Sally
  Sally - 1
  
  
• 04:58 Green - Agan (no highlight)
  Sally - 1
  
  
• 06:39 Kuru - Agan
  Sally - 1, Agan - 1
  
  
• 08:27 Fea - Agan
  Sally - 1, Agan - 2
  
  
• 09:47 Nienna - Nog
  Sally - 1, Agan - 2, Nog - 1
  
  
• 10:02 Agan - Kuru +1
  Sally - 1, Agan - 2, Nog - 1, Kuru - 2
  
  
• 10:54 Kent - Kuru
  Sally - 1, Agan - 2, Nog - 1, Kuru - 3

Yet to vote: Alonariel, Brinn, Firefoot, Form, Gwath, Izzy, Nog, Sally, Shasta.

Many no votes. Hide your head in the sand day?

Incoherent thoughts

Just had a thought about bonus vote usage and Thuringwethil influence. Will organise thoughts on a different post.

I quite like Kent. He thinks well.

Kuru 211/Agan 204 set off alarms in my head. In cahoots? Agan 216 a seer hint? Agan 232 is a bit relieving, but perhaps clutching at straws? Does not look that way, well reasoned. Also, a Baddie would not display a Cobbler hint to the village. Both bears watching--more so than normal, I mean.

Apparently highlighting something also bolds it automatically. Would save me typing time.

[Formendacil]

Hey, Nilp!

I haven't got any good voting plans? Want me to throw away my vote on you, since you can't autovote?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Formendaga, for the honour that is DAY 1 , I'd be glad to receive your vote.

Firefoot, add [ highlight ] text [/ highlight ]. (Remove the spaces in the tags.)

[Firefoot]

Thanks, Nilp.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and for the record I have no real idea who I'd like to kill yet.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Formendaga, for the honour that is DAY 1 , I'd be glad to receive your vote.

You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. I am most obliged for being allowed from this hard place.

++Nilpaurion Felagund

And now, good people (and bad ones), I am off. I have a date with an Easter beer or two.

[Firefoot]

I'm afraid that it seems as though all the suspicion is falling on those who are talking most, for whatever arbitrary Day 1 reason you can think of...

It strikes me as really interesting that Agan would want to throw a bonus vote out there already - it seems like a rather unfounded move, given the amount of material we have to go on. Hmmm... unless he's the seer... Kuru would be a fairly logical choice as a first night dream, he's well known enough. And that would explain why Agan came out swinging at him.

I don't feel too bad pointing this out if it's true, because the wolves would no doubt have picked up on it already.

Whether or not it's true, it's a theory and seems like a solid enough reason for a Day 1 vote to me...

++Kuru

Ummm... how do you make the text red?