WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Mithalwen]

So just taking it out on a new player then....

[the phantom]

Maybe just a bit. But much of what I say is less "taking it out" on someone as much as it is speaking truth and giving my honest opinion. You can't claim that I'm making this stuff up just for fun.

[Mithalwen]

I am not saying it is untrue and there is a limit to how much slack newbies should be cut but I think that was a bit vitriolic for a total newcomer. I am not even sure if English is his first language.

After that I would be suprised if he comes back.

[Mithalwen]

Right I am off to bed before I turn into a pumpkin (and that is merely a reference to the fact that the midnight hour approaches in my timezone). Good night and I hope the morning will be more constructive.

[the phantom]

Oh, Mith, I'm sure he'll be back. I've seen much worse antics from vet players from time to time, and they get called out on it too. I'm just letting him know what he can and can't get away with. Getting "thrown to the wolves" is the best way to learn the sort of scrutiny you face during a Werewolf game. My first post to him was extremely standard stuff. Tame compared to much that happens. The harsher post was the one where I had to go and explain myself to you after you made the "wolf on wolf" comment and the "taking it out on newbie" comment.

[Mirandir]

I feel rather inclined to agree with phantom on this one. Not necessarily the fact that he's biting Gaurcrist's head off, but that he hasn't been acting in the way he probably should, especially for a newbie.

He claims he doesn't understand why people are getting on him for not voting one day. It's clearly stated in the rules that you need to vote. While some people may make the choice not to vote on Day 1 because of lack of sufficient reasoning, they make a point of showing up and saying it, not just appearing the next day without so much as an apology.

Also, saying peole are suspicious without offering any reasoning whatsoever and then going so far as to claim no reasoning is required is just stupid and arrogant. Some of the more experienced players can get away with going on a gut feeling because they've played with people for considerably longer and know when they're deviating from the norm. Keeping suspicions to yourself for a while in order to give yourself some time to figure things out or see how a certain scenario develops is also valid, but people generally say something.

If I wasn't fairly certain that he was going to miss another vote in the near future I'd vote for him tonight. However, why bother wasting a vote on someone who will most likely just end up modfired?

Develop a grudge against me if you will, Gaurcrist. You rub me the wrong way and I'm not afraid to say it.

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That all being said, I'm going to finish up a few things online and then finalize my vote before I head off to bed.

[Kath]

Hi sorry I seem to have run out of time completely this evening! I'm going to have to just vote. From the look at Lommy's posts from yesterDay the one person that popped out as potentially suspicious to me was:

++EOMER

I do find him suspicious so although I would have liked to go through the rest of the posts in more detail I am happy with this vote.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

I am not saying it is untrue and there is a limit to how much slack newbies should be cut but I think that was a bit vitriolic for a total newcomer. I am not even sure if English is his first language.

After that I would be suprised if he comes back.

I hope he isn't the seer, then.
I wonder if he thought I was one of the ones ganging up on him. But all I said was:

Let's see what others have to say today. I wonder if Gaurcrist and some others who have been almost as scarce as he will rear their heads.

At this point I don't read too much into Gaurcrist's words. If it was me though, I would at least apologise for my earlier absence.
For me not much has changed. I still can't figure out Boro or phantom, and "Shasta" makes me think of Shasta Cola, which was sold in my area back in the 80's. I miss that stuff...
Anyway, Shasta hasn't shown up today, has he? I'd like to hear what he has to say before I decide about him.
Agan has done some detailed analysis on things and seems helpful, but I admit to getting a bit lost when the double / triple cross / so A thinks B will do C words start freely flowing.
Eomer has said:

Actually phantom, I don't think you want to hear much more from me. There are far too many players here muddying the waters. It might be best to just sit back, let a few folk die, and take it from there. We'll have a lot of info to work with two days hence.

Taking a step back and watching the fireworks. That might seem to work well for the baddies....
"Greenie" expressed earlier doubt about McCaber and Boro and seems to make sense.
Feanor popped in and made a few decent comments.
Mirandir is suspicious that she wasn't killed last Night.
Nerwen has pretty much stayed under my radar to this point. I think I need to reread all her earlier stuff.
Hmm. I still have a few hours to ponder.

X'd with Agan

[Mirandir]

All right, voting before I fall asleep in the computer lab with the sketchy foreign boys.

++Fea

For the reason I cited earlier. Love you dear!

[Gaurcrist]

There are many things I would like to say, but I will say this: I am sorry for not turning up on the first day, for I just started playing, and I did not completely understand what I should have done.

[Inziladun]

All right. I'm having to do most of my thinking now, as I seriously doubt I'll have time to do anything more than vote tomorrow.
I do not see anyone who I am absolutely certain is a baddie.
Due to his recent posts, my misgivings about Boro are pretty much gone. He sounded heartfelt and genuine, and I'm fairly convinced he's at least not a wolf.
However, phantom bears close watching.
Kath has been calmly dropping in from time to time, offering a few perfectly legitimate observations, than quietly disappearing. She has set her vote for Eomer, who I haven't gotten much from, and offered no good reason for doing so.
Mithalwen has been fairly prominent at times, and it's easy to tell she's good at this. As others have stated, I too am concerned about the apparent obsession with Shasta.
As of now, I think my vote will be one of the latter two.

[Boromir88]

I know I'm being hypocritical as I always suspect people based on how they phrase things and such, but I don't think Boro's suspicion of Mith is very good.~Agan

All I'm saying is I've seen that behavior before from Mith as a wolf. Get stressed out and frustrated then come back after a bit of calming and be fine.

No I didn't! My intention when pointing it out was to say that revealing is not a good idea for an ordo because it will help the wolves more than us, and I didn't vote for him because of the ordo comment but because of its possible consequences.~Agan

I did take that back within the same post after I quoted your post 80. I said something like..."oh wait that really wasn't an over-reaction." That was my mis-step, but Mith's uhh...

Well Boro is being fairly tiresome and the fact that he is fixated on me rather than say on someone who got an ordo killed might be annoying.~Mith

While you have been playing extremely low key throughout your stay here, bringing up "wise" points to make people feel comfortable with you, and staying "fixated on Shasta."

++Mithalwen

My internet has been acting skittish through the mornings, if it holds up I should be back, but if not just want to get my vote in there.

I will not even comment regarding Gaur's reason to vote for me, other than say "I have no comment."

[the phantom]

See, I figured old Gaur would be back. Mith is this village's mother-hen, and I expect her instincts kicked in and she protected the fledgling player. But perhaps he doesn't need mothering. We'll find out.

Originally Posted by Gaurcrist

There are many things I would like to say, but I will say this: I am sorry for not turning up on the first day, for I just started playing, and I did not completely understand what I should have done.

You should have shown up.

But seeing as you can't do anything about that now, your current order of business is to respond to those who question your reasoning. I and others have wondered what you meant by Boro and Green acting "strange", so enlighten us. What have you seen that you don't like from those two? Who knows- you may indeed have spotted something valid. But you're not likely to get any help from other villagers if you won't tell us why we should believe you.

[Boromir88]

Alright, to just say this now, and hopefully prevent any type of blow up where I regret saying something, I need to get this out here now...

I seriously am annoyed by the suspicion based on the way I "speak." It is basically a cop out and I get placed into a corner because there is no way to defend myself, there is no way to prove myself.

You do not know how hard right now I am fighting back the urge to just unleash any thing I have, call you a wolf, and push for your lynching. The reason I don't is because that type of game play does not turn out well for the innocents. You suspect me for being strange, I throw a left hook back at you for making vague, cop-out accusations. And really Lari, Gaur, and whoever else, I think you are innocent who see that I am controversial, unconvential, don't like the things I say, and take that to mean I am a wolf.

I am not going to change the way I speak, I am not going to change how I act, if there is anything I've said that is offensive, I am sorry because I don't mean it. If I give you a headache, I am sorry but take some advil.

If you find me suspicious because I lynched an innocent Nienna. So be it, come out and say it. If you find me suspicious because of whatever I said to Mira, or anyone else, out with it. But I can't defend myself for the way I speak, and I am not going to change it now. Those are cop out suspicions and lynching people for those reasons will get us no where accept a fast wolf victory.

Now I have tried my best to bring out stuff as to why Lommy was killed, I have made my best case against Mith. Despite what Mith has said I have not been fixated on her. I brought up stuff about the phantom, Shasta, Agan. I defended Lommy yesterday, and I've defended McCaber today. This isn't to boast what I have done, but to tell you get past my words, and any type of aggravation I might cause you, and to just make you aware of everything I have been trying to do.

It is the ones who look nice, logical, or simply float on by to be concerned about. Separate the controversial, maybe sometimes rude talk, from wolf behavior. If you don't this is going to be a quick victory for the wolves.

Edit: crossed with tp

[Isabellkya]

Nienna and Lommy?

I suppose better than losing Gifteds. Though wolves are better to lose.

Originally Posted by Zil

I didn't have a really strong case against her, but it was the best decision I could come up with.

This kind of sounds scrambling to me.

Nerwen as Village Captain Obvious. Ahaha.

Boro you look nasty with your commentary about your Nienna vote. Why not just say "I want to save myself." ?

Even if Shasta isn't bluffing, and he is an Ordo. Why go to the wolf and say TURN ME! TURN ME! Even if he isn't capable of being turned, I don't see how dangling yourself as fresh meat in front of a rabid wolf - is going to help the village.

Boro. Why would Shasta be lynched immediately if turned? I thought the Moddess said that it could be referenced to in the Night plot - but not necessarily any where near the Night it occurs.

Why does it seem to be an assumption that the wolves would've killed Shasta? Because they thought his claim false? I think they would have the luxury to see if he was turnable first, and then kill him. Otherwise they'd be up a certain creek with out a paddle, if they killed him and found him to be an Ordo - especially if he ended up Miss Red.

Boro. Your venting seemed to lack a sense of fire. Fizzled I think. o.O

Erm, sorry Miss Wilwa. I'm terribly afraid to tell you, but you aren't in any condition to... digest sweet cakes, or food of any kind. I could put some by your non-grave for you, if you'd like.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Eomer and Boro both seemed to think LRC was a normal Cursed role, i.e. has to be Night-killed in order to be turned. I should say this points to their innocence– or at least to their non-lupinity. They could be faking, of course... but do consider this point before voting either of them.

Why does it do that Nerwen? All it says, is that they have a faulty memory, or didn't quite read the entire Admin thread.

Lari -> Boro
Gaur -> Boro
Kath -> Eomer
Mira -> Fea
Boro -> Mith
Sally -> Eomer
Gwath -> Boro

Boro 3. Eomer 2. Mith & Fea 1.