WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

My point is, Eomer, that I can't see why an innocent would bring into the open any Seer-hints he saw. Sorry for not clarifying.

I agree with you here, Shasta. Why would an innocent want to bring the identity of the Seer to the attention of the village and consequently the wolves as well? On the other hand, why would a wolf bother when it could just PM its fellows that Night? Pointing out possible innocent gifteds is cobbler behavior, and it's what made me suspicious of Boro a couple of days ago (I was wrong about him, of course).

[the phantom]

Eomer- I don't think you ever answered the question I asked at the beginning of the day. Are you the RB?

Also, if you get the chance, Green, could you explain your Mith vote to me? I have written down that you said you didn't like any of the available candidates (you named Mith, Boro, and Eomer) but then you voted for Mith even though Izzy was available as an option, and you had not listed her as a bad lynch choice, where as you had mentioned Mith.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Gwath: I think Mira's just being lazy. She's gotta make a case against somebody, and it's always easy to make a case against me: I'm me; plus I've been busy, so I haven't posted so much that analyzing me is time consuming. She's all busy and needs a scapegoat, methinks.

That being said, if people want to not vote for me for whatever reason, I won't beg them please, oh pretty please, lynch me, lynch me.

And that being said, why should we be lynching Gaurcrist then (his words, not mine). I think I missed something with some interaction or another...

And does lynching constitute meanness? Or does he get a free ride regardless of contribution just because the phantom can be overbearing?

This time I swear I'll be up before deadline (I'm taking Lari's shift, so I'm guaranteed to be up in time to read, analyze, and vote).

But until then... I just got home (caught up, posting now) and need sleep so that I can be the Spectacular Room-mate of Awesomeness and go get Lari from an airport two hours away (you know, after working a six hour shift for her). Oooh boy does that girl owe me.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

That being said, if people want to not vote for me for whatever reason, I won't beg them please, oh pretty please, lynch me, lynch me.

So do you or don't you want to be lynched now?

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

And that being said, why should we be lynching Gaurcrist then (his words, not mine). I think I missed something with some interaction or another...

Gaurcrist's response to a comment by Nerwen directed at him in # 400 was

Lynch me then.

, which I thought was actually pretty funny.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Eomer

When I say "Why would it matter if we killed Mith rather than any other innocent", I refer not to Izzy or any particular villager.

Not twisting - paraphrasing.
It sort of looked like you slipped Izzy is innocent or something. And no, I didn't see you were talking about the beginning of the day. If there was something that indicated so, point it out, please.

Originally Posted by Zil

I don't recall her showing up again that Day. That, coupled with her unobtrusivness made me suspicious.

Usually if people don't show up, it's for real life reasons. And well in my opinion Kath is not as much of a background lurker than some people who might have more posts than her (say, Mira & Gwath).
Yes you did give your reasons there, but they were more like describing what Kath's been doing and raising a single single thing that looked weird to you.
And as for keeping her in mind, that comment looked pretty opportunistic. Like, "I'll keep her in mind and start suspecting her again if someone else does, too, but if not well then I just forget about her!"
If Eomer is evil Zil might be worth a closer look.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Agan, this is the second time you've said this and I'm no less confused than the first time. Since when is flip-flopping an innocent tell? Especially since I know I've seen you make cases on Lommy based on "flip-flopping".

Well not flip-flopping itself but the way she did it. If she's a wolf, I would imagine it's more useful for her to continue pursuing you and Cab.
And you know, my cases against Lommy are a matter of their own, in those I use her every single word against her.

I agree with Gwath about Mira's case. She basically went through what Fea has said done, reached no conclusion and said she's still suspicious of Fea.

I must think about my vote...

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Usually if people don't show up, it's for real life reasons. And well in my opinion Kath is not as much of a background lurker than some people who might have more posts than her (say, Mira & Gwath).

As yet I do not have past histories of players to rely on and am pretty much learning as I go.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yes you did give your reasons there, but they were more like describing what Kath's been doing and raising a single single thing that looked weird to you.
And as for keeping her in mind, that comment looked pretty opportunistic. Like, "I'll keep her in mind and start suspecting her again if someone else does, too, but if not well then I just forget about her!"
If Eomer is evil Zil might be worth a closer look.

I thought my reasoning no flimsier than that used by others when people have actually been lynched. To each his (or her) own, I suppose.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

As yet I do not have past histories of players to rely on and am pretty much learning as I go.

Pardon? I mean, how does that relate?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Pardon? I mean, how does that relate?

Agan seemed to say that Kath did not have a tendancy to be a shadow haunter. I read it to mean 'in Kath's history as a player', of which I don't have much information. If she meant 'in this game I don't see her as a lurker', my statement was not relevant and I humbly retract it.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Agan seemed to say that Kath did not have a tendancy to be a shadow haunter. I read it to mean 'in Kath's history as a player', of which I don't have much information. If she meant 'in this game I don't see her as a lurker', my statement was not relevant and I humbly retract it.

Ok, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

EDIT: Whoa ho ho. 2000 posts as of now!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Not twisting - paraphrasing.
It sort of looked like you slipped Izzy is innocent or something. And no, I didn't see you were talking about the beginning of the day. If there was something that indicated so, point it out, please.

Well, there was nothing to indicate it; you're making assumptions about my meaning, and then asking me to prove myself. If I don't answer this then I look more suspicious to you; now that I am answering it, I'm coming across as defensive to everyone else (and you too, probably). But oh well, I wouldn't have it any other way.

I have said nothing, nothing, to do with Izzy. I was speaking about Mithalwen only. I asked "Why would it matter if we killed Mith over any other innocent?" - this means: What made Mithalwen special?

You skipped over the whole point of the sentence and saw meaning in the superfluous words at the end: you have Izzy on the brain, I think, even if some of us don't.

And that does it: now I'm going to have to judge Izzy's case. Was it last game I helped get her lynched? Let's see what happens now. She's been *cliche alert* flying under my radar *end cliche* so far.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

And is anyone going to speak about why Mithalwen wanted to kill Shasta? What was that all about?

Now: apologies for this, but it seems no-one else is around. I will now disappear for a couple of hours at least.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

And is anyone going to speak about why Mithalwen wanted to kill Shasta? What was that all about?

Still there? I've said it already: she must have had a strong hunch and/or been persuaded of the validity of her own reasoning.

She can't have known he was evil... not in her role.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

As per Izzy's ultimatum (stop giving me ultimatums, dearheart, or I'll be forced to post your real name in this thread for everyone to see!), I will be voting someone I have voiced suspicion on. Whee.

++Eomer

....Oh come on. It was only a matter of time.

[Isabellkya]

Going on voting along, and disregarding reasons.... When I say lead, I mean whom would end up getting lynched.

Day One

Lari -> Phantom
Boro -> phantom 2
Mira -> Sally
Mith -> phantom 3
Kath -> Lommy
Sally -> Agan
Fea -> Boro
Gwath -> Boro 2
Nienna -> Fea
Shasta -> Boro 3
Lommy -> Shasta
Eomer -> Nienna
Boro -- phantom 2
Izzy -> Shasta 2
Zil -> Nienna 2
GReenie -> Shasta 3
Mith -- phantom 1
phantom -> Lari
Lommy -- Shasta 2
-> Nienna 3
Boro -> Nienna 4
Caber -> Nienna 5
Agan -> Shasta 3
Mith -> Shasta 4

Boro puts phantom into an early lead. Mith adds to it. Shasta puts Boro in the lead about halfway through the votes. Boro retracts and keeps himself in the lead. Greenie puts Shasta in the lead. Lommy puts Nienna in the lead with her retraction and revote. Boro and Caber propel Nienna further into the lead. Agan and Mith try to bring Shasta back.

Greenie putting Shasta in the lead - is either a mate hopping on the wagon to make herself look better in the future; or they aren't mates at all.
Caber looks like he was hopping on the wagon.
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Day Two

Lari -> Boro
Guar -> Boro 2
Kath -> Eomer
Mira -> Fea
Boro -> Mith
Sally -> Eomer 2
Gwath -> Boro 3
Izzy -> Mith 2
Shasta -> Mith 3
Zil -> Kath
Nerwen -> Izzy
Agan -> Izzy 2
Mith -> Izzy 3
phantom -> Izzy 4
Greenie -> Mith 4
Eomer -> Shasta
Caber -> Mith 5

Gaur puts Boro in the lead. Sally puts Eomer in the lead. Gwath puts Boro back in the lead. Shasta puts Mith in the lead. Mith puts Izzy in the lead. phantom furthers Izzy into the lead. Greenie puts Mith back in the lead. Caber furthers Mith in the lead.

Greenie's, phantom's, and Caber's votes look the most wagon hoppish.
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Out of both days, I think Caber looks pretty bad for his wagon hopping votes; not to mention he was involved in lynching two innocents.


I know I had another point to this, but I feel my brain starting to shut down.


X'd since Nerwen's #467.

[Isabellkya]

Aganzir - She is foul. She looks really helpful and has been on the consistent road thus far, until toDay.

Why didn't you use that as your reason yesterDay? How did one comment about reading the Miss Red particulars, turn into plural things? Why would I do such a thing when I thought Boro innocent, and Eomer no idea? How is my suspicions of Shasta weird? He has been exhibiting foul behavior. On Day One, you were quite ready to lynch him for damage limitation. Damage limitation because he either was your mate, or would become your mate? Shasta received attention eh? Like the attention a Rabid Wolf gives to an ordo when turning them to the dark side? That kind?

Caber - I don't really know what to make of him. His Day one and Day Two votes look quite bandwaggony, and that is about all I can say towards him.

Eomer - He is puzzling me. He seems quite noncommittal, and content to stay that way. To make quick forays into the world of suspicions, then retreat quickly back. He definitely follows the current fad.

Fea - You know. Good Question.

Gaur - I think him probably innocent.

Greenie - Quite in the middle for me. She doesn't stick out in any way. I'm tending to lean innocent at the moment.

Gwath - Save for some early identity-crisis, I have no read on him.

Izzy - EyeZeeZeeWhy

Kath - She is still alive, so I think her guilty. She hasn't tried lynching me yet, so I think her innocent.

Lari - Feel better.

Mira - Her case on Fea is weak. Other than that, I don't know what to say about her; given that she didn't continue to give me a reason to vote for her.

Nerwen - She is looking innocent, middle of nowhere to me. I can't recall if she has made a complete list of her thoughts on everyone.

Phantom - I think he is off his game.

Shasta - He is foul. I wouldn't expect him to be so sloppy, unless he is an Ordo wanting to be turned, or the Cobbler.

Zil - He seems to be middle of the road, with leaning guilty. He goes with the flow of what other people say a bit too much.

X'd since Nerwen's #483

[Isabellkya]

Indeed, Izzy is still here.

The maniacal laughter. It was an epiphany moment.
Well you see, I believe I've got three of four Nefarious baddies. Five if you count the Cobbler, since they can still take out Cinderella.
Which is why I said it couldn't be that easy.


X'd with Kath.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Aganzir - Eeeeevil? I always wish I was the seer so I could learn people and then lay hints.

Caber - I've seen some of his votes look dodgy.

Eomer - Welcome back, brash darling. But I still want to know why Mith was so confident in you and so against Shasta. Apart from Shasta looking dodgy, I mean...

Gaur - New kid. *shrug*

Greenie - I forgot she was even playing.

Gwath - I wish he'd explain what put him off of Aganzir. I know why I think she's dangerous and it reflects much of the flippancy others have noted, but it was Gwath that bolded that snatch of writing, right? And my reaction was, "Wait... what's wrong with what she said?" And it looks like nobody else really got his aha moment either.

Izzy - Eye don't particularly zee zee why. But I'm pretty sure she's inventing. I'm with the others about wanting to kill her to find out what she's on about.

Kath -

Lari - Ill. And since I have to bring her poor illness home after a long flight, I'll be nice to her. Besides: she hasn't done anything to make me feel like I need to lynch her anyway. She comes across as totally innocent (if not unGifted).

Mira - Made a weak case against me, most likely out of desperation to make some sort of case at all.

Nerwen - I keep getting Nerwen's posts slightly confused with Izzy's, so it's possible that I actually think Nerwen's the one that's been acting off her rocker, and am just attributing it to the wrong person in my mind.

Phantom - I concur. Off his feed.

Shasta - Is amusing me to no end with his shenanigans, but is also concerning me because when I see somebody start emulating the phantom, I assume that person is trying to get killed. Robber Bridegroom? *reminds self to check roles and rules yet again to see what's possible*

Zil - Doesn't really say or do anything to stick out to me. In fact, the most noticeable thing about him is his very bright avatar.

Since I don't think Izzy is actually the seer (I - it should be a given - think somebody else is), I am forced to assume she's either protecting somebody or she's evil.

Or both.

Blah.

I really loathe games where I'm nothing particularly special. I get bored with my lack of inside knowledge.

++Izzy

It's also a given that I'd like to avoid the noose. So yes: I'm voting partly to save myself, and partly because her actions freak me out.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Eomer- I don't think you ever answered the question I asked at the beginning of the day. Are you the RB?

Right-back? Nay, I was usually left-back in the school fitba team.

Oh, you mean a role in this game. Robber Bridegroom? Er, no. Sorry. Why are you asking? You think it'll be that easy?

Hey Kath, are you the RB?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Now, Shasta and Gwath: just... hold your horses, eh? You're giving me a row about not keeping my Seer-hints to myself?

Did you see the way Mithalwen was acting? And do you not suspect the wolves would be asking each other, perhaps, "Yo, what's up with Mith?" (had she not been lynched, of course.)

Normally we shouldn't be discussing who the Seer is but in a case like yesterday's, when one of the lynch-candidates is clearly screaming "I have a secret!" why try to cover up the elephant in the room?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Gwath, even though Aganzir keeps chipping away at me (and I'll answer that last one in a moment) I'm not sure I get your vote.

Shasta is acting a bit strange; I'm not sure why you limit Aganzir's thoughts to that one long post he made. And just going for it in a Eureka moment? I guess you can still retract if you want to.

Still, I feel uneasy picking sides between the three of you right now. Hrm...