WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Nerwen]

Nerwen's Helpful Hints For Newbies, Vol 1

Originally Posted by Gaurcrist

I will share what I am thinking about who is bad.

Baddies:
Phantom (just plain mean)
Eomer
Greenie

Okay... that's not sharing your thoughts, Gaurcrist. "Sharing your thoughts" would mean saying why you think those three are bad.

Now on to the next one:

Originally Posted by Gaurcrist

Well, maybe Phantom is bad. Well, you might say that I just want to lynch him to get back at him and, yes, maybe that is true, but also maybe he is actually a baddie.

Well, yes, maybe he is. This is Werewolf... sort of the whole point of the game is that anyone might be a baddie.

Originally Posted by Gaurcrist

he is acting like a baddie in order to make us think we should vote for him and then say, "Wait! He wouldn't act like a baddie!"

Why is he "acting like a baddie"? (This is not to say that I trust the phantom... you can just never tell whether he's evil or not.)

Originally Posted by Gaurcrist

, even if he isn't bad, it seems like he wanted people to die. Let's take a look at what he said.

Gaurcrist, the quote you give here ("So it turns out my instinct of not wanting to lynch Boro or Mith was right") has nothing– nothing at all– to do with your description of it. Can't you see that?

...And then you vote tp for saying he was glad he hadn't lynched a known innocent!

Look... you just can't vote people on grounds like that. It's a good way to get yourself lynched. Perhaps not this time around, but that's only because you're new and for meta-game reasons, like the fact that that wolf-cubs usually get advice from their elders, and that a wolf is unlikely to quit like you did.

Actually, though, you could still be LRC and have been turned last Night. Hmmn. I hadn't thought of that until just then.

Originally Posted by the phantom

She gave that quote from Morwen ("I am spent, I go with the sun"), and the story of Morwen's life is that she lost her children.

But– are you saying you noticed that at the time, phantom? And realized she was the Fair Maiden? I didn't.


Anyway.. the problem is that since both Boro and Mith were innocent, it's hard to learn much from the voting. At least not while we're in the dark about Izzy and Shasta.

I hesitate to say, "lynch one of them just to see"... but we would get information that way.

But there's also all the throwaway votes yesterDay. I think they'd bear looking at, particularly the late ones (Eomer for Shasta and Inziladun for Kath.)

EDIT:X'd since the phantom at #394.
EDIT2:Added quote.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But– are you saying you noticed that at the time, phantom? I didn't.

I can't remember precisely when I spotted it. She made that statement before I showed up and with less than 30 minutes left I was frantically trying to get caught up as well as keep up with current happenings. I think I had noticed it when I made my post at 22 minutes till, in which I told Boro "Maybe Mith knows something about herself but cannot say anything about it", which showed that I was leaning towards her being a Goodie under orders not to reveal.

As I said earlier, taken by itself I might have mounted a stronger effort to save her, but her other statements confused me. Such as-

Originally Posted by Mith

Well I know I can't trust you at all Boromir. Not one single word.

Originally Posted by Mith

No, I don't think I know you at all.

I was thinking to myself, "Only the Seer could 'know' she can't trust someone. Is that what she's claiming? But then she might as well reveal if that's what she means." Due to the fact that her words were inconsistent with any role I could think of, I didn't go all out into Mith-saving mode. It's a shame RL intruded the way it did. Things could very well have turned out much better.

[Gaurcrist]

Look... you just can't vote people on grounds like that. It's a good way to get yourself lynched.

Lynch me then.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Gaurcrist

Lynch me then.

Nice, Gaurcrist! Ha ha.

[Aganzir]

I don't know what Shasta is up to, I've never seen him behave like that. Maybe it's just that he got some attention.

++Izzy

Her Shasta suspicion is weird & she was trying to downplay things that pointed towards Boro & Eomer's not being wolves.

Sorry I have to go, no time for more. I doubt very much I'm going to make it back in time, although I suppose there's a slight chance I can do so...

[the phantom]

Since the deadline is pushed back, I'll definitely be around the final hour or so tomorrow.

I would say this day has been disappointing (as far as very little action), but we're pretty much still stuck on Day 1 at this point, so there isn't much we can do. We haven't found a Baddie yet, and until that happens it's going to be difficult to come up with anything.

So Fea's gotten a couple votes today. I haven't really taken a look at her thus far, but even if I did there isn't much to analyze. And Agan went for Izzy again. I'm tempted to do that as well in hopes that the voting yesterday may actually be proven to mean something.

Meh. I'm not even going to try and make a decision at this point. I'll show up in the morning with a clear head and go whatever direction seems good to me. Good night.

[Isabellkya]

I didn't believe Boro to be evil in any sense. So why would I try to make him look like a wolf?
How does one thing turn into thingS?

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I don't know what Shasta is up to, I've never seen him behave like that. Maybe it's just that he got some attention.

++Izzy

Her Shasta suspicion is weird & she was trying to downplay things that pointed towards Boro & Eomer's not being wolves.

Sorry I have to go, no time for more. I doubt very much I'm going to make it back in time, although I suppose there's a slight chance I can do so...

Wow. GUILTY.

(Bolding of the first two sentences mine.)

[Gwathagor]

Was that too terse? Let me expound.

If Aganzir is talking about the big post that Shasta made earlier toDay, Aganzir's remark doesn't make any sense because Shasta really didn't say anything particularly weird in that post. He did, however, direct some pointed comments in Aganzir's direction and it looks a lot to me like Aganzir is trying to brush it all off as nothin'. Aganzir's flippancy here and other places is making me suspicious.

[Gwathagor]

Alright then.

++Aganzir

Good night.

[Isabellkya]

Shasta + Aganzir = Nefarious Mates.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta + Aganzir = Shastaganzir?

[Mirandir]

So I didn't find anything that would necessarily lead to me to believe that the wolves got seer-vibes from Gwath, but I did find something else interesting.

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Was that too terse? Let me expound.

If Aganzir is talking about the big post that Shasta made earlier toDay, Aganzir's remark doesn't make any sense because Shasta really didn't say anything particularly weird in that post. He did, however, direct some pointed comments in Aganzir's direction and it looks a lot to me like Aganzir is trying to brush it all off as nothin'. Aganzir's flippancy here and other places is making me suspicious.

Here Gwath finds Agan's comment about Shasta's earlier post suspicious. Both have since ended up dead. He also voted for Aganzir.

If Agan is a wolf as some people seem to believe (myself included), she could have killed Gwath at Night because he was onto her furry ways. Starting my case against her now.

[Aganzir]

Sorry Mira but I think you're underestimating me - I wouldn't be so jumpy as a wolf that I'd kill someone because he voiced a little suspicion against me.

And the comment was not about Shasta's earlier post, it was about his behaviour in general and Gwath misinterpreted it. I have nothing to do with their deaths, either of their.

I hope your case is good and different from your Fea case - that is, objective.

[Aganzir]

Has it perchance occurred to anyone that if I was indeed a wolf and had killed Gwath, I would so not be here when the day starts, shouting "Maybe they thought he was the seer!"?

If I was a wolf, would I kill someone whose death points to me when all I had to do would be to survive a couple of days?

If I killed someone whose death points to me, would I suggest he might have been considered the seer when all I had to do would be to survive a couple of days?

Go figure.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I think they killed him to sow confusion, hoping the Ranger would waste a protection on somebody important. The first part obviously worked. I hope the second part didn't.

Now here's what I'm thinking, now that I've napped: Agan is competent: her kind of slip is barely believable. She all but said she's a wolf. Why would she do that when it would be so easy to set up Izzy today? Why put the spotlight on herself?

So I'm thinking: they don't want to get Izzy killed.

What if Izzy is more important than Aganzir to the pack? I can't see Agan taking one for the team on purpose unless it's for a big win. She was suspected, but not pinned. Why thrust herself into almost certain death?

I think Izzy might be the Big Bad Wolf and the wolves would rather keep their chance at Red Cap alive than keep Aganzir around. Since Agan was already suspected, she would make a good lynch candidate.

They can try to salvage Izzy's mess up at the end of yesterday by deflecting the attention to Agan.

If the village is confident about one wolf and confused about another, wouldn't they assuredly vote for the one?

[Kath]

So I'm going to have a speedy look at what's been going on toDay and then vote. We're off out in not too much time I think.

Lari - is ill so I guess gets a free pass for toDay.

Agan - says Eomer looks wolvish if he thought Mith was the Seer but didn't bother trying to save her.

phantom - feels only knowledge of Izzy's role will tell us about the voters. Makes sense. Wants to look at Izzy, Nerwen and Eomer. Questions Shasta.

Gaurcrist - list of 'bads' but no reasons. Despite the way it's said, mildly fair point on phantom. There really is no point in saying 'guess I was right' after the fact. But then most of us do that. Votes phantom, whom he really seems to have taken against.

Inzil - I hate to say this because it's me who you're finding suspicious, but don't give up on your suspicions because no one else is sharing them. Unless they're the Seer or a wolf no one in the village has any more knowledge than you do, and are no more likely to be right. Anyway, apart from that wants to hear more from McCaber, Fea, Shasta and Gwath. Now I agree about most of those but Shasta has been pretty vocal. Says he has no idea about phantom.

McCaber - defends phantom. Explains himself, fairly I feel.

Izzy - says Shasta is hypocritical because he voted Mith without giving reasons. Was this the case?

Right sorry this is as far as I'm able to get. I'm actually not very happy about Eomer. I feel that my reasoning from yesterDay is fair and his response to suspicions seems to be to roll his eyes at them which, if he's innocent, isn't a great way to deal with them if only because it gets people's backs up! Otherwise I'm not thrilled by Gaurcrist, two Days in the village and we're still not getting reasons for things and Izzy because she hasn't explained herself and there's only half an hour until deadline.

So:

++EOMER