WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Isabellkya]

Simple answer to that Phantom.

Mira had already voted Fea and made her case against her.

I was planning on revealing that Fea was the Ugly Stepsister, but with a weak case it would pretty much point to Mira as the Seer. Or the Ranger, if people had been paying attention.

The longer the Seer hides, the better our chances are of bagging more baddies.

So, it was kind of like being stuck in between a rock and a hard place.

Was I wrong about Shasta? Yes. But I was going on his behavior, and it smelled foul to me.

I didn't imply or claim the either of them had been dreamed of. I merely said that I had an epiphany. Big difference. We can argue semantics all day.

But the point to this entire story toDay is - Fea and Aganzir are nasty baddies. Did you not see how Fea pretty much threw Aganzir under the bus, right out of the gate. Nor Aganzir's comments? Nor Aganzir's vote for me?

[Inziladun]

Ok, Izzy. Your suspicion of me is misplaced, but I'm not going to vote for you based on that. When I see how this turns out tomorrow, I'll decide whether or not to trust you and Mira. Until then you're both on probation.

++ Agan

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I was planning on revealing that Fea was the Ugly Stepsister, but with a weak case it would pretty much point to Mira as the Seer. Or the Ranger, if people had been paying attention.

The longer the Seer hides, the better our chances are of bagging more baddies.

Uh huh.

You know what? I was paying attention. All game. And did quite well for us, I must say.

Aganzir is, of course a wolf. Why lie? (Last night.)

But when I said Izzy was more dangerous... Well, that's not a lie either. (Night before last; I didn't want to have to reveal to kill her... I'd hoped the village would see her laughable bluff as the Ranger ("I'm in contact with the Seer. These two are obviously guilty. Kill, kill! Oh, he's innocent? Oh wait, I never said they were dreamed of...") and take her out without losing me my anonymity.)

This neat little scheme cooked up between her and Mira clinches that Mira's on their side. If I didn't know for certain, I'd never have believed the wolves could possibly be so brazen. Three wolves in a shouting match. I don't know Mira's role for sure, not having checked, but I know exactly what role she isn't, and if she wasn't evil, she wouldn't be on Izzy's side, I'll tell you that.

The phantom is the Bridegroom (Night before Izzy). I didn't bother attacking him because he's listed as an innocent in the tally. I also didn't want him plotting against me. Since he didn't seem to be helping or harming the village, apart from seeking out one player...

I would have much preferred to stay quiet, but really? I don't want to have to try to change everybody's minds at the end of the Day, causing some horrible last minute rush of confused votes.

I am the Seer.

I have dreamed of Agan and Izzy, who are, respectively, Rumple and BBW. Also of the phantom, who is the Bridegroom. I always dream of him. I like to know who he is. Agan was coming across as suspicious, so I checked. Izzy is someone I can never get a read of. After that Werebear incident in that one recent game... I don't take chances with her.

--Aganzir

++Izzy

They're both wolves, but Izzy's more important to kill, since she has the power to turn Little Red Cap if Red's still alive.

I'd rather take out one bad guy and the potential for another rather than taking out simply one.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh good grief, I forgot to list my first dream. It didn't matter anyway: Boro. We know what he was.

[Nerwen]

Well, now. Of our Seer candidates, I'm a fair bit more inclined to bet on Fea than Mira... Fea has just seemed a lot more innocent throughout, plus I'm having trouble believing Izzy's the Ranger.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

They're both wolves, but Izzy's more important to kill, since she has the power to turn Little Red Cap if Red's still alive.

Yes, but Agan has actually confessed now. I mean, you know whether you're telling the truth or not... the village doesn't.

It's the usual problem: both "Seers" agree on one wolf... do you go for the safe bet, which doesn't give you any information about who the real Seer is, or one of the other names, and risk lynching an innocent?

[Isabellkya]

Rofl.

Nerwen you are such a wolf it is ridiculous.
Otherwise you wouldn't latch on to the crap for brains scheme Fea just mentioned.

No, I'm only more important to kill in your eyes - because I can stop your kills.

Hunter, I strongly advise you.

Fea is the Ugly Stepsister.
Aganzir is Rumplie.

The End.

I'll explain why Fea has failed.

Four dreams you say, on Boro, Izzy, Agan, and phantom?

Shall I point out, how you are wrong - and NOT paying attention. Or would you prefer to do it yourself?

If you are going to bluff and fake claim - you might want to atleast try to get all of the details correct.


X'd with Nerwen x2.

[Isabellkya]

Okay. Replying to questions and comments which deem answering. As some have already been answered by other things.

As I've said before phantom. I never said they were dreamed of. I said, not yet. Nor did I imply that they were dreamed of. I thought them both foul, and probable baddies. If I had chosen Aganzir over Shasta with my voting choice, you wouldn't even be whining and griping about it. Actually, you probably would - since you don't have the village's best interest in mind. Though if I had chosen Aganzir over Shatsa you baddies wouldn't of saved me, to look better in the villages eyes. You would've save your mate in crime. Then gone 'oops, did we do that?'

Explain my behavior, Agan? As in earlier toDay, when I was around for maybe.. fifteen minutes? I do believe I stated I would be returning.
Though continue on with it.. trying to discount me towards the village is quite entertaining. As your only "sure fire" way of getting rid of me is by lynching, since obviously no one can protect themselves or another from the noose.

Thoughts on Gwath eh? You thought he was the Seer and I the Ranger. My saying you were Foul, and not dreamed of yet - scared you. So you killed him, thinking you'd get him before he got you. Thinking you could explain it away. But the wavering from multiple people. One second acknowledging I am the Ranger, through statements and behaviours. the next trying to discount me. You can't really have it both ways. Looks to me, like a bit of scrambling is going on in the Nefarious Camp.

Phantom, go for it. Cast the first stone. Other wise you aren't helping much. Baddie hunters shouldn't be so terrified to throw their suspicions at their suspect. Baddies sit back, waiting to make their move. Which is exactly what you are doing. You are trying to get others to do the dirty work for you, so you can just hop on it saying.. "Ya! Me too!' - while keeping your hands relatively clean. Perhaps a pitchfork would be more appropriate for you.

Posing as a gifted? Rofl. Refer to earlier statements.

Aganzir has a new hobby. [Gone Fishin'! For Invisible Gifteds!]

Hahaha. Nice way to put the baddie tally before the innocents. When usually it is innocents: baddies.

I've been a Gifted since I received my role.

Zil really. I said I would be away all day. I can't possibly read the thread and make replies if I'm in the middle of a forest, with no internet connection - let alone a computer. I suppose I could've tried morse code on my GPS, or somehow mentally forced my phone to get a signal.. and tried to check the thread via my phone.

Refer to earlier statements about dream lying. I can't lie about something, if I never said anything about it in the first place. If I never say the sun is green, and always say the sun is blue. I can't be accused of lying about what color the sun is. Get it?

How was Shasta a known innocent Zil? Would that be a slip I see? He is a known innocent, because he isn't one of your wolfy mates?

Such word twisting, when you can go back and look at what was said. *eye rolling*

Rofl @ Zil. When Agan turns out to be Rumplie. you are going to look quite foolish, for not taking us seriously.


My epiphany, since Kath seems to be the only one wondering what it was.

I thought the nefarious creatures were: Fea, Aganzir, Greenie, and Shasta.

Fea, because I already knew she was evil.
Shasta, I thought because his behaviour was pretty foul. Plus, he didn't vote for Fea the day Mith was lynched. The only one on the block he suspected, and he doesn't vote for her?
Aganzir goes and votes for me, saying my case on Shatsa is weird; and twisting a statement made in reference to Boro and Eomer. Which I thought, huh. She was alright with lynching him for damage limitation; then suddenly drops suspicion on him? Really, mates so obvious?
Greenie - purely gut feeling really; though her spot in the pack was mostly left open, since I kind of thought about Eomer fitting in there quite nicely.

Which is why I died laughing and said it couldn't possibly be that easy.

*dances in the reign of her probation*

[Isabellkya]

Whups, correction.

*dances in the confines of her probation*

[Nerwen]

Okay, back again.

*is exasperated*

Izzy, if you really are the Ranger, you might want to try and sound less, you know, evil?

It's not like I totally believe Fea– after all, if she's a wolf she has nothing to lose by doing a false reveal. I've been trying to look at your posts from the point of view that they're written by a good guy... and still I'm finding it pretty hard to buy into. I remember you being the Ranger in a past game, and you certain didn't carry on like this.

[Nerwen]

Izzy– by your and Mira's account, you already knew a wolf (Fea) yesterDay, right?

So why didn't you say so– instead of pointing the finger at two (then) unknowns?

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Izzy– by your and Mira's account, you already knew a wolf (Fea) yesterDay, right?

So why didn't you say so– instead of pointing the finger at two (then) unknowns?

Though I'm neither of them I feel like I should point out that yesterDay Mira did try to make a case against Fea, but it was weak and there was nothing much there. Fea has been playing smart and safe so any case against her is weak.

All right I have no idea when deadline is at the moment other than a time I would rather be in bed in the morning. So my vote is going out for

++Agan

Which she is a wolf.

Though there is the whole idea that both Fea and Mira are wolves and are throwing Agan under the bus to see if they can change Little Red toNight because they might know who "she" is.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I love you too, my darling phantom, and would happily spend hours and hours worshiping you and catering to your nearly-every whim, if only we were closer in distance...

But you well know, my dear, that love really doesn't preclude the necessity to destroy. Knowing you're our resident Robber Bridegroom means I can't love you forever and ever, just until it's time to kill you.

I know you understand... You'd do the same for me...

Izzy: you failed. Your bluff left you vulnerable, and your lies, well performed though they are, are just lies. You ruined your ruse when your guess - Shasta - wasn't the role you'd pegged him for. Sucks when you guess and you're wrong, doesn't it? Your act would have been so solid if you'd aimed for Agan instead of Shasta... who could have called you on it but me, if you nailed a bad guy for the village? You could have drawn out the real seer for your wolves to kill at Night. But instead, you placed all your hopes on the attempted lynching of someone who wasn't what you expected. Must have crushed you inside to get so, sooooo close...

I don't care who goes: either Agan or Izzy. Both are evil, so either one's a solid option.

I just much prefer that the village remove Izzy, as killing her takes away the chance that we wake up with a replacement Baddie in the morning.

I hope LRC is dead already, but I don't want to chance it.

[Isabellkya]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Simple answer to that Phantom.

Mira had already voted Fea and made her case against her.

I was planning on revealing that Fea was the Ugly Stepsister, but with a weak case it would pretty much point to Mira as the Seer. Or the Ranger, if people had been paying attention.

The longer the Seer hides, the better our chances are of bagging more baddies.

So, it was kind of like being stuck in between a rock and a hard place.

Was I wrong about Shasta? Yes. But I was going on his behavior, and it smelled foul to me.

I didn't imply or claim the either of them had been dreamed of. I merely said that I had an epiphany. Big difference. We can argue semantics all day.

But the point to this entire story toDay is - Fea and Aganzir are nasty baddies. Did you not see how Fea pretty much threw Aganzir under the bus, right out of the gate. Nor Aganzir's comments? Nor Aganzir's vote for me?

Here is where I explained it to phantom, Nerwen.

I try to do each game different. I noticed that in past games, I'm quite frequently labeled a submarine - even when I do crazy things. Apparently it is in my genetic make-up and there is no avoidance.

If I were to act the exact same way every time I got a specific role, people would pick up on it - and be able to spot me easily.

So this game, I decided to play totally off my rocker and have complete fun with it. Though I mostly stopped after the second Day.

However at this point, I've no qualms with being super direct and perhaps jugular and candid in what I say. It is time to act. We've got two known baddies on our plate - no questions, ifs, ands, or buts about it.

It is entirely each players choice whether or not they choose to believe Mira and Izzy. I can completely understand the reasoning for not wanting to believe me, because of my behavior and actions yesterDay. However, they were done with the best interest of the village in mind. Sure, they probably weren't the best choices made. But I don't claim to be all knowing, or all powerful. I simply try to do the best with what I have, and get the best outcome for the village. As in my previous post regarding knowing Fea was a baddie yesterDay. At first I was all for getting Fea lynched, because she was a known baddie. However as the Day progressed I didn't think it a wise decision to out her, as it would most certainly point directly to the seer. These suspicions and worries in my mind are solidified, seeing how the Nefarious Camp went after Gwath under suspicion of Seership.

[Isabellkya]

Another thought.

Who is more likely to fake reveal, and come up with such a scheme?

Mira and Izzy. Or Fea and Aganzir?


X'd with Lari.