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But whether or not she is, killing me in the Night does the following things: 1) the wolves lose a distracting force; wolves tend not to want to kill me early because I draw attention away from them (this works in reverse when I am actually a wolf, of course...). While I'm alive, the Seer dreams of me (my last three wolf games I was dreamed of first or second and I've been Fenrised several times), so the actual wolves are safe from that for a bit. And the village tends to wonder what I'm up to, leaving quiet wolves to hide out and watch, and contribute their 'suspicions.' I'm really too valuable of a scapegoat for wolves to want to kill off so soon, whether or not my I-don't-know-what-I'm-talking-about vote for Nerwen was spot on. 2) This one applies more if Nerwen is a wolf: if I died in the Night, it would definitely cause people to take a very close look at my posts and my voting record. Since Nerwen's the only one I really mentioned suspicion of (even though it was less suspicion than "Well, I've gotta vote for someone..."), it would have really looked bad on her. If she's a Librarian, her co-workers would want, I suspect, to avoid that. But mostly? I suspect I just didn't die because wolves like to have me around to worry the village for them.
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And then, why in Middle-earth do you feel the need to construct elaborate theories of why you're still alive, anyway? Why shouldn't you be? (Oh yes, because if I were a wolf I might have thought you were the Seer– ya-de-ya-de-ya– but that's an explanation with nothing to explain.)
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You're not really, really stupid, are you?
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EDIT:X'd with Mac.
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I am convinced of nobody's guilt, though now I'm leaning toward suspecting you heavily of harboring a guilty conscience. And I would say, "Oh, or I might be alive because I'm a wolf," except that's so obvious it wasn't worth mentioning. Of course I might be a wolf. We all might be wolves. I daresay if I'm a were-librarian, the seer will already have dreamed of me and the village is well shot of me as soon as xe comes forth with the declaration, "Mon Dieu! Fea is, yet again, a wolf! We must kill her now!" However, it would be highly unlikely that would happen this game, what with me not being a wolf and all. ![]() Are you done overreacting to my responses to people now? I'm going to pick up our lovely moddesses from their respective bus stop and airport terminal. No telling when I'll return, but it will obviously be before deadline.
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Look, I'm probing you for a reason, Fea. I'm currently starting to wonder if you might have been party to a Night conversation alone these lines: "Let's not try for the Sally-voters– any of them could be protected, and we need to kill someone toNight. It'll be hard to get any of them lynched now, but we could try a wolf-on-wolf theory..." Mind you, it would have been awfully brazen of you and Sally to go after me in unison yesterDay the way you did if you were her fellow... but I could see you doing it.
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Seriously, I repeat: I don't know if you're evil, and right now I don't care. Boromir seems to be making sense, Hakon's logic seems flawed, but I'm not sure if that's because he's new or if it's because he's trying really hard. I'm very distracted by the presence of the mods, though, so I'm going to pay attention to them for a bit.
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EDIT:X'd since my last post.
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Ok...I lied maybe I didn't die, but still I choked. ![]() Quote:
Usually I try to look like the seer, hoping the wolves bite for it. Last game Lalaith bit and had me killed. However, I started to think, anytime I do this seer thing, I always make it look like I've caught a wolf on Day 1. So, I wondered if the wolves would think it would be more believable if I 'dreamt' of an innocent on Day 1. I had it narrowed down to a few, and was trying to think of some sort of good seerish hints to drop. So decided to use Princess Bride quotes. So, I picked sally as the fake dream, because of our history in the lover role, and I knew she'd get any PB reference. My plan was of course assume sally was innocent, trust my innocence, but at the same time get the wolves to think I was the seer. Wierd I know, and well now they know I'm not the seer, so I kind of botched that. But I have more tricks and the 2-left will probably regret not killing me early. It's interesting, I'm pretty confident in Fea's innocence, because whenever she's a wolf it always seems like I die early...much like Mith. But now that she is not after, I'm more worried. My one weakness in these things seems to be getting charmed too easily. Agan buttered me up then viciously killed me, and sally well I feel totally used. Edit: crossed with everyone since Nerwen's 109
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I can't help but wonder about the kill choice. I agree that going after Sally-voters might have been risky because of the ranger. If another librarian received a vote, they might have shyed away from that person, too, because the argument "they thought s/he was the seer, let's lynch who s/he voted for" is so foreseeable. However, for that very reason, assuming they were clueless about the seer, why not take advantage of that and frame somebody? Instead they went for the second-most traditional kill strategy (kill the trailless, the first being: kill everyone who's after us). How did they think they would really benefit from this choice? I mean, we managed to be fairly successful yesterday without any trail on Day1! I keep on thinking they made a poor choice, which makes me believe in inexperienced librarians. Then again, wouldn't that make a relatively weak librarian team? Hmm.....
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When I get back, I'm going to go through the voting yesterday, but I don't know when that will be. There's several errands I've been putting off, so at least a few hours. Edit: crossed with Nessa.
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Boro -> Mac - an unsuccessful test
Fea -> Nerwen - without reason Sally -> Nerwen - crossed with Fea, so possible librarian-on-librarian Boro -> autume - Boro, why is "A lot of commentary mixed in with a couple jokes" suspicious? Nienna -> Sally - no real reason behind this, but Sally was talked about at this point, so no lib-on-lib, I think Hakon -> same as Nienna, just more so Mac -> Nienna Form -> Hakon - looks genuine to me, though a concealed attempt to save Sally is not impossible autume -> Nienna - says she goes with her suspicion, which looks good at first glance, but on closer inspection: she only starts being suspicious of Nienna five minutes before her vote. She had been neutral in her book all the time before. Brinn -> Nienna - this vote puts Nienna in the lead before Sally and is obviously suspicious. I might be paranoid, but her reasons look a bit fabricated. Nerwen -> Sally - obviously makes her look good alona -> Mac - throwaway vote without any reason. I think a librarian would have tried to make her vote look more polished. Shasta -> Sally - innocent which makes: guilty: autume shady: Brinn unknown: Fea Boro Nessa (missing) nice: Hakon Form alona innocent: Nienna (also because of Sally's attempt to have her lynched) Nerwen Shasta |
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Seeing Form on the nice list, I was a little surprised - I noticed his attempt to cast suspicion elsewhere for Sally as well. And though nice doesn't mean innocent, he was wary of voting for both Nerwen and Sally. Quote:
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Believe it or not, that happens quite a lot, but I think it's pretty unlikely in this case. Sally's delay in voting Nienna to save herself is slightly eyebrow-raising, but she was probably waiting to see which out of Nienna and I would get the most votes.
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Getting the votes and stuff together from yesterday now
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This is all very interesting indeed. I'm really not sure what to think at this moment. In hindsight I probably shoulda posted my suspicions about Nienna before I did. Alas, that does me no good.
Now after taking a look at the voting I don't think Nienna is a wolf. It would've been a lot easier for her to vote for someone else then vote for Sally making it a wolf on wolf vote.
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![]() But seriously for Day 1, I can't think of a better reason yet to vote for someone than besides a player who just comments on the activity, not really offering an opinion, and tries some jokes to look nice (it's the fair to be wary of, not someone who will call a rat a rat). Sometimes I'm pretty cheerful, if there's a good lot of posting, but I called Inzil a commentator last game because that's what he was doing and only offering his opinion on completely irrelevant matters like whether a wolf would openly like blood or not. I got the same commenting feel from autume's first couple posts (and after the point when the true suspicions were supposed to start) - and I mentally graded her list a "D-'' ![]() I was going to analyze the votes, but seeing as from the morning I missed Mac's posting of votes and analysis, all I can really say is for the most part I agree with it, but will point out the differences... None of the sally voters strikes 'wolf on wolf' to me, so I'm not sure why there are suspicions around Nerwen? She was pretty set on either Fea or sally right when they first voted for her. The only reason her vote came when it did, is because she was in a position where it was reasonable to withhold her vote in case she had to safe herself. Plus...well she got a wolf, a wolf she suspected almost immediately. Nienna looks the most innocent, for that end of the day bit with sally. When sally first voted for Nienna, I thought she never retracted, therefor it shouldn't count and wondered if sally was going down in 'style' to try and protect a wolf-Nienna. However, based on what sally said and Lari counted it for a tie, than I'm assuming sally was purely voting for Nienna to try and save herself, not as some sacrificial trick to help Nienna. Does that make any sense? I'm afraid it makes sense in my head, but out on the screen it might not. I'm worried about Formendacil's vote for Hakon, more so than Mac. It could be genuine confusion, caused by Form joining us late and trying to read through the day. But I don't know that rushing could also just be a wolf-Form joining in late, seeing sally in trouble and trying to figure out what to do to save her. I want to hear more from Form about his vote, he should now have plenty of time and not be rushed by the DL.
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Being this is my first (official) game, I wonder if people have hidden clues to their identity in their avatars before?
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