TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 12:22 PM

Part 2:

We really need to start discussing the surveys seriously before we run out of time. Everyone should say what they think the mods' plan was, since that's open for discussion.

I, for one, think that the mods were unlikely to choose someone feared or distrusted by the seer as a baddie - the game would be over too quickly. I also think they might have made logical choices and had the gifteds trust each other (not that I'm saying we should speculate about their identities, but the gifteds themselves can consider this).

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Part 2:

We really need to start discussing the surveys seriously before we run out of time. Everyone should say what they think the mods' plan was, since that's open for discussion.

I, for one, think that the mods were unlikely to choose someone feared or distrusted by the seer as a baddie - the game would be over too quickly. I also think they might have made logical choices and had the gifteds trust each other (not that I'm saying we should speculate about their identities, but the gifteds themselves can consider this).

I agree with the gifteds trusting each other to some extent. I think that the seer and ranger most likely trust each other but the hunter is one that distrusts the other gifteds. As for the wolves one is probably a feared, one is a distrusted person and the final one a trusted person.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 12:30 PM

It is the only way Boro can be satisfied. If the seer fears/distrusts too many of the wolves... over too quickly.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 12:32 PM

Meh. Hakon is a very safe vote, a typical Day 1 lynch, and therefore, probably innocent.

And what about all those people who simply aren't posting? Who is making any effort here to flush them out of hiding? I miss Nogrod.

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 12:35 PM

Last game I got one vote on day one and a whole lot of people telling me I was suspicious. I turned out to be innocent. So far out of those to vote for me I am only suspicious of one of them. Sorry Morm. It is just you voted so early on and your reason was only because I brought up something you said before the game started. It seems just off. I just have a gut feeling about your vote being off.

satansaloser2005 · 08-13-2009, 12:37 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Morm voted you because you suggested that we use the surveys to figure out who people were. (Really, I don't see much point. Good discussion, but like in Shasta's game we'll never know if we're right.) I, like Morm, think it's not right. Now of course if I'm wrong I'll beg Morm to correct me, but still.

Boromir88 · 08-13-2009, 12:36 PM

Ahh that also reminds me, Lommy wanted you informed she would be on and able to post, but the first couple days she couldn't participate too much...and seeing this gargantuan amount of posts (hehe) maybe even less.

Nienna · 08-13-2009, 12:37 PM

I'm still in class but terribly bored... haha... So I've kept reading and I'm cool with voting for Fea (this is after freaking out for a while making sure that she is still alive and that I don't need to rush home/ to the hospital). This way we can make sure we aren't lynching a gifted or even an ordo. It will give us another day to work out who the baddies are.

Brinniel · 08-13-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Boro

Ahh that also reminds me, Lommy wanted you informed she would be on and able to post, but the first couple days she couldn't participate too much...and seeing this gargantuan amount of posts (hehe) maybe even less.

That's because she'd rather hang out with live BDers than pixelated ones. Hmph. We should lynch her for that.

Brinniel · 08-13-2009, 12:43 PM

I never thought phantom would be the most sensible one here...

I don't see what wrong with voting Fea if you don't have any other candidates available. She may or may not be evil, but the body count will rack up quickly enough as it is with two deaths per Night, so we might as well prevent any extra deaths due to modfire. Yeah, we have killed baddies on Day One in the past, but the chances we will lynch the bear toDay in order to bring the Night kills down to one are pretty slim. And anyway, I have to go now and I might not return. Considering I have no viable suspects at the moment, who else am I to vote for? I really don't feel like randomly voting another player, so I might as well vote someone who will die anyway. Either that or not vote anyone.

It seems most of you think voting Fea is bad choice. So tell me, would you rather have me make a No Vote instead? I would imagine that would be even less useful, but please enlighten me. I do apologise I can't make a reasonable vote due to my early departure, but I do have a life after all and I am horrible at finding anyone suspicious on Day One as it is, especially this early in the Day...

Inziladun · 08-13-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

I never thought phantom would be the most sensible one here...

I don't see what wrong with voting Fea if you don't have any other candidates available. She may or may not be evil, but the body count will rack up quickly enough as it is with two deaths per Night, so we might as well prevent any extra deaths due to modfire.

Not voting, or voting Fea is something I will not do. The body count will indeed quickly mount. But if you're voting, why not vote for someone who could at least potentially be a threat to innocents, instead of someone who will be gone anyway? In my admittedly rather limited WW experience I've never seen the logic of that, and this is no exception.

Brinniel · 08-13-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Inzil

The body count will indeed quickly mount. But if you're voting, why not vote for someone who could at least potentially be a threat to innocents, instead of someone who will be gone anyway?

The problem is I have no candidates who I find potential threats, and anyway, whenever I do vote for the person I suspect most on Day One, I get suspected for it (such as last game).

Brinniel · 08-13-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lari

She's doomed anyway and the problem will be that toMorrow we won't be able to analyze votes because we just voted for a doomed player.

Well don't bother analysing my vote regardless of who it's for. If it's not a no vote or for Fea, then it'll be randomly for someone else. Unless I have time to return and find a real suspect.

mormegil · 08-13-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

Yeah, we have killed baddies on Day One in the past, but the chances we will lynch the bear toDay in order to bring the Night kills down to one are pretty slim.

This seems awfully strange. I get it that only by lynching the bear will we get the kills to one but she seems to discount the lynching of the wolves completely. A wolf wouldn't be unhappy to get rid of the bear. Also just because odds are slim doesn't mean we shouldn't at least try. This line of thought makes me fairly suspicious of Brinn.

satansaloser2005 · 08-13-2009, 01:06 PM

Heck if I even know what's going on anymore.

My vote for Hakon stands. If he's innocent, I'm sorry, but the things he brought up bother me and I'll probably think clearer if he's gone. That and I think at the very least he wishes he were the actual cobbler.

Just so there's no doubt.

--Hakon

++Hakon

Leaving now. Have a nice rest of the Day, chillens.

(Oh, and before you ask, I used the thing at the top of my post so I'd know where I left off. No clues or hidden meanings in it, just a bookmark of sorts.)

the phantom · 08-13-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Doktor

We really need to start discussing the surveys seriously before we run out of time. Everyone should say what they think the mods' plan was, since that's open for discussion.

I, for one, think that the mods were unlikely to choose someone feared or distrusted by the seer as a baddie - the game would be over too quickly. I also think they might have made logical choices and had the gifteds trust each other (not that I'm saying we should speculate about their identities, but the gifteds themselves can consider this).

I truly had not considered surveys on an individual basis like that. I was thinking more along the lines of "distrusted people will be less likely to gain roles" and "Surely there'll will be at least one trusted/believable villain" and so on. It hadn't occured to me that the Villains would be selected based upon the individual answers of the Seer.

Hmm.... interesting... If that is indeed the case, the Seer should try to work against their usual leanings.

As far having the gifteds trust each other- I don't know about that. How strong exactly did the Mod want the gifteds to be. If you give them gifts plus set them up so they're likely to work together, wouldn't that be unbalanced? I would think that at least one of the gifteds doesn't trust one of the others.

The Shirriffs, well, it could be anything. It may have amused Boro to make two poeple BFFs who are not known for being BFFs in other games, but then he may have done the obvious and paired a more likely duo. I don't think I'll try and speculate on that.

On the surface I would say the Villains and Bear, in order to have a better shot at survival, are more likely to be trusted than distrusted. But if we lynch the only people we trust, where does that leave us if we're wrong? And I can't imagine that all of them are in the same mold.

And what about those that the Villains and Bear fear? If they all said, "Mac scares me. I'm always worried he'll catch me or foil my plans," then it's pretty well a guarantee that Mac wasn't made the Seer. He's too likely to die under those conditions. And perhaps that's why Boro only required two answers per question- so that the baddies when making their picks couldn't rule out too many people. Meh... Am I getting nowhere with this? Because it feels like I am.

Perhaps I'll let others speculate and see if anything stirs me.

the phantom · 08-13-2009, 12:39 PM

I've never been so envious of taco meat....

Boromir88 · 08-13-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

I've never been so envious of taco meat....

haha

wilwarin538 · 08-13-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

I've never been so envious of taco meat....

Shakespearean style:

Wild-eye is a leathern-jerkin, crystal-button, knot-pated, agatering, caddis-garter, smooth-tongue, Spanish pouch!

08-13-2009, 12:35 PM	#5
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 736	Last game I got one vote on day one and a whole lot of people telling me I was suspicious. I turned out to be innocent. So far out of those to vote for me I am only suspicious of one of them. Sorry Morm. It is just you voted so early on and your reason was only because I brought up something you said before the game started. It seems just off. I just have a gut feeling about your vote being off. __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

08-13-2009, 12:37 PM	#6
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	If I'm not mistaken, Morm voted you because you suggested that we use the surveys to figure out who people were. (Really, I don't see much point. Good discussion, but like in Shasta's game we'll never know if we're right.) I, like Morm, think it's not right. Now of course if I'm wrong I'll beg Morm to correct me, but still. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-13-2009, 12:36 PM	#7
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Ahh that also reminds me, Lommy wanted you informed she would be on and able to post, but the first couple days she couldn't participate too much...and seeing this gargantuan amount of posts (hehe) maybe even less. __________________ Fenris Penguin

08-13-2009, 12:37 PM	#8
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	I'm still in class but terribly bored... haha... So I've kept reading and I'm cool with voting for Fea (this is after freaking out for a while making sure that she is still alive and that I don't need to rush home/ to the hospital). This way we can make sure we aren't lynching a gifted or even an ordo. It will give us another day to work out who the baddies are. __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

08-13-2009, 12:43 PM	#10
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	I never thought phantom would be the most sensible one here... I don't see what wrong with voting Fea if you don't have any other candidates available. She may or may not be evil, but the body count will rack up quickly enough as it is with two deaths per Night, so we might as well prevent any extra deaths due to modfire. Yeah, we have killed baddies on Day One in the past, but the chances we will lynch the bear toDay in order to bring the Night kills down to one are pretty slim. And anyway, I have to go now and I might not return. Considering I have no viable suspects at the moment, who else am I to vote for? I really don't feel like randomly voting another player, so I might as well vote someone who will die anyway. Either that or not vote anyone. It seems most of you think voting Fea is bad choice. So tell me, would you rather have me make a No Vote instead? I would imagine that would be even less useful, but please enlighten me. I do apologise I can't make a reasonable vote due to my early departure, but I do have a life after all and I am horrible at finding anyone suspicious on Day One as it is, especially this early in the Day... __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

08-13-2009, 12:22 PM	#1
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Part 2: We really need to start discussing the surveys seriously before we run out of time. Everyone should say what they think the mods' plan was, since that's open for discussion. I, for one, think that the mods were unlikely to choose someone feared or distrusted by the seer as a baddie - the game would be over too quickly. I also think they might have made logical choices and had the gifteds trust each other (not that I'm saying we should speculate about their identities, but the gifteds themselves can consider this).

08-13-2009, 12:30 PM	#3
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	It is the only way Boro can be satisfied. If the seer fears/distrusts too many of the wolves... over too quickly.

08-13-2009, 12:32 PM	#4
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Meh. Hakon is a very safe vote, a typical Day 1 lynch, and therefore, probably innocent. And what about all those people who simply aren't posting? Who is making any effort here to flush them out of hiding? I miss Nogrod.

08-13-2009, 01:06 PM	#15
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Heck if I even know what's going on anymore. My vote for Hakon stands. If he's innocent, I'm sorry, but the things he brought up bother me and I'll probably think clearer if he's gone. That and I think at the very least he wishes he were the actual cobbler. Just so there's no doubt. --Hakon ++Hakon Leaving now. Have a nice rest of the Day, chillens. (Oh, and before you ask, I used the thing at the top of my post so I'd know where I left off. No clues or hidden meanings in it, just a bookmark of sorts.) __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-13-2009, 12:39 PM	#17
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I've never been so envious of taco meat.... __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.