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Old 09-05-2009, 12:03 PM   #1
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satansaloser2005 - She is another I wanted to look at from yesterDay. There have been several things to make me wary of her, including her near-deadline behaviour on Day 1 and the post from yesterDay where she seemed to assume that Legate is innocent. I'll take a look at her if I have time.

Missed that post. Which was it? (there were so many )
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Old 09-05-2009, 12:29 PM   #2
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Gamewise I'm really sorry, but I'm not able to continue toDay as I got a surprise visit which RL wise is quite nice...

Which leads me to think that toDay I should use the "abstain from voting" option as I feel I should have actually looked at the different possibilities more closely before voting. There are too many options around and I haven't read the thread since I last posted.

So

+- abstain

What I said the last time holds - but those thoughts do not have the wisdom of reading what you have said after them...

ToDay is no time for trying people out with guarding so I'll go with

++ guard Nerwen

If innocent, she would be valuable and guardable.

Make good decisons toDay! Good luck and I do hope to see you toMorrow!
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I am going to start off this post by saying do not lynch Inziladun. I think the wolves set up last night so we either lynch Nogrod or Inziladun. Out of the four Inziladun voters, only two are alive. So far we have assumed they are innocent. The wolves expected us to make that assumption. They want us to lynch Inziladun. It is clear that both he and Nogrod are the prime lynch targets today. We should lynch neither of them.

One person I am somewhat suspicious of is Pitchwife. The reason is because he does not come off even the slightest bit suspicious in this game. In past games he has always been a gifted and has come off somewhat suspicious. I think it is obvious that he is either a wolf or an innocent.
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Old 09-05-2009, 12:37 PM   #4
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This one I'm assuming? Yes, this one is a bit odd. I think Legate even quoted it and said that originally she hadn't had that part in brackets but she edited that in after. But I really don't think this is much to go on, unless this isn't the one you were talking about Greenie.
Yes, that one, and yes, Leggy quoted it yesterDay. It's not much, I know, but the point of view in it is just - wrong. Like, it was more probable that Legate was innocent, yet still she advocated his lynching as much as everybody else?

Who do you guys want to lynch? I wouldn't fancy making a throwaway vote.
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Old 09-05-2009, 12:46 PM   #5
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Yes, that one, and yes, Leggy quoted it yesterDay. It's not much, I know, but the point of view in it is just - wrong. Like, it was more probable that Legate was innocent, yet still she advocated his lynching as much as everybody else?

Who do you guys want to lynch? I wouldn't fancy making a throwaway vote.
Hmm, I see what you mean. Perhaps I'll bump her down to unsure.

It seems lots of people want to go for Inzil. I'm good with voting for him since I do find him suspicious (and have since yesterDay), but just the fact that this could be another bandwagon type thing (like Kit was, and like Legate definitely was) makes me uneasy. Just cause we haven't really had the best luck so far. But right now he seems to be one of our best options. Though I'd also be good with voting Boro, but I don't know how many other people would go for that, and I'd even like to see more from him before I'd be willing to do that anyway, since my suspicion of him is fairly new and it's more of an uneasyness anyway.

I don't know, it's tough. Considering how big of a group this is I'm not actually overly suspicious of many people and the ones I've gone after so far have all been innocent, so it's tough.
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Old 09-05-2009, 12:48 PM   #6
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I think it is obvious that he is either a wolf or an innocent.
Considering that we only have 2 known gifteds left this holds true for most players. Should we then lynch everyone? I do not like your reasoning Hakon.
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It seems lots of people want to go for Inzil. I'm good with voting for him since I do find him suspicious (and have since yesterDay), but just the fact that this could be another bandwagon type thing (like Kit was, and like Legate definitely was) makes me uneasy. Just cause we haven't really had the best luck so far. But right now he seems to be one of our best options. Though I'd also be good with voting Boro, but I don't know how many other people would go for that, and I'd even like to see more from him before I'd be willing to do that anyway, since my suspicion of him is fairly new and it's more of an uneasyness anyway.
I have nothing at all on Inzil, I suppose I should have a look at him to decide whether or not their is any sense in all that suspicion of him, but then if I have the time to look at someone I'd prefer to use it to looking at someone who is flying under the radar. Boro? Like I said I have nothing that points to him being a baddie, but then I have sort of thought him innocent and thus haven't looked for anything of that sort either..
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Boro? Like I said I have nothing that points to him being a baddie, but then I have sort of thought him innocent and thus haven't looked for anything of that sort either..
Exactly what I had done as well, but after a re-read I started to become a bit uneasy about him. But like I said, probably not enough to vote for him today, unless he does something that really stands out or Inzil does something that makes me think better of him.

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Old 09-05-2009, 02:05 PM   #9
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Considering that we only have 2 known gifteds left this holds true for most players. Should we then lynch everyone? I do not like your reasoning Hakon.
I know. In the part of my post that you quoted I was simply stating the obvious.

I thought about it some more and I think Pitchwife is innocent. So far he has only had the role of gifteds so it is logical that he would given the role of an innocent this time. He also is coming off as innocent in this game whereas when he has had the role of a gifted he has not come off as innocent.

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People, do not vote Inziladun. As I have said earlier the wolves want this. Do not vote for him. The wolves have set it up so we either end up lynching Inziladun today or the guard from last night which is Nogrod. We should not lynch either of them.
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How strange it is that two people just voted to guard both players I find innocent. A coincidence?

Well, I'm still voting for one of them anyway. Since Nerwen has been more useful to this village compared to Shasta who's hardly posted, I'll choose to keep her around toNight.

++Nerwen

Now who do lynch? I'm quite suspicious about Inzil too, but I'm a bit wary of this massive bandwagon against him. Has anyone else received votes? Oh yeah, me.

wilwa looks pretty bad too, but I wonder if she would act in such an obvious manner as a wolf. Hmm..

Sally still looks suspicious, but I don't think enough to vote her.
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Bandwagon or no, his behaviour is still the most suspicious to me.

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And hopefully this bandwagon won't result in the same disaster as yesterDay.
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People, do not vote Inziladun. As I have said earlier the wolves want this. Do not vote for him. The wolves have set it up so we either end up lynching Inziladun today or the guard from last night which is Nogrod. We should not lynch either of them.

Heh. Came across this and giggled. He was right in a way; one of the wolves certainly wanted this.
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Congratulations to the wolves - you were awesome! Greenie, you fooled me royally on the last Day, I truly thought you were innocent. Nilp and Brinn, your split attack before the last DL was brilliant - Nilp going after Nienna, while Brinn swayed McCaber and me into that stupid Sally lynch, and Greenie doing a last minute retraction from one innocent to another. Kudos to sally, Nienna and Boro for voting the true wolf - we should have listened...
The split vote was totally something I did at the spur of the moment and was definitely not planned. I was planning to make a bunch of analyses, but I came in so late I only had time to post Sally's, who I concluded was suspicious. By then, Greenie had become a huge suspect and while she and Nilp attempted to set Nienna up, I saw there was a good chance it wouldn't work. If Greenie was to be lynched, I needed to figure out which vote between the two would make me least suspicious and I pretended to be caught between voting for two people I didn't care to vote for. I stated my desire to vote Sally, but I wasn't planning to go for it since I didn't think the village would try a split vote. But then Boro stated an interest in voting Sally and Pitchwife didn't want Greenie lynched, which gave me hope. And then McCaber suggested we could pull it off...so I jumped on that opportunity by expressing my support. Btw, that final minute was the longest minute ever. I had my post ready, but was waiting to see if a Sally lynch could actually happen before making my vote. The second I saw the first Sally vote, I hit submit. I can't believe I managed to pull off a whole new bandwagon considering it all occurred in the last five minutes of the game.

I should mention how perfect my current avatar is for this game. It's a picture of a witch (as in my in-game occupation) and in the background there's a young woman getting lynched (or more accurately, burned at the stake). I like to pretend it's Sally. *dances in Sally's blood*
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One person I am somewhat suspicious of is Pitchwife. The reason is because he does not come off even the slightest bit suspicious in this game. In past games he has always been a gifted and has come off somewhat suspicious. I think it is obvious that he is either a wolf or an innocent.
Well observed. Indeed, I find this current lack of suspicion quite surprising myself. Can't somebody suspect me, please? I've got used to it by now. And I mean, look, I had quite a part in the NG-test discussion, I voted to lynch our Seer on Day 1 and another innocent yesterDay, I was part of the Nogrod Guardwagon, and now I start suspecting someone I voted to Guard earlier, while defending a heavily suspected Inzil, who in turn votes to Guard me! Surely a case can be made from that?

I'm more or less torn about wilwa - there have been good points made against her, but also good points by herself. And I'm not sure whether I suspect Boro enough to vote him, at least not without giving him a chance to speak for himself.
Where is our psychic apothecary when we need him?

(x-ed from Brinn's #427 onwards. Nienna, thanks for the long-missed suspicion! I appreciate it.)
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Well, I'm here, but I don't know for how long. Man, this is just not working with my schedule so far.

I am glad that Nogrod seems innocent, and no one is considering lynching him just because of the one kill. One thing that comes to mind is that the pack must want to draw the game out, rather than use the two kills to achieve a faster victory. Maybe it speaks of (over)confident wolves, or maybe of submarines who blend into the background.

And I will say that I still think The Plan was a bad idea. A revealed Seer is vulnerable, and we would have no real way of testing the veracity of such a claim.

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I don't like this bandwagon. It looks too easy. (One can argue why I seem to want things as complicated as possible...) I still haven't managed to form an opinion on Inziladun. I don't have time to do so now.

I get the feeling that whether I join the bandwagon or not my vote will not make that big a difference. Anyhow, I will not join in, because I can see people more suspicious than him. Such as

++ Sally

Because she is the one of the people I suspect at the moment to be most likely to gain another vote from someone. I'm still considering my guard vote.
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++ Pitchwife

Because he seems to me like a possible Night kill target and seems to have gained some votes already so won't be a waste vote.
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I don't like this bandwagon. It looks too easy. (One can argue why I seem to want things as complicated as possible...)
Applause, applause! To me it looks downright appalling. Now maybe I'm just too stupid to really get what the case against him actually is, maybe I also want to think too complicated, but it just looks way too much like Zil has been set up as toDay's target by the wolves, as Legate was yesterDay, if in a different way; and I'm quite determined not to be part of the wagon this time.
True, Zil has acted in a somewhat shady and maybe a little too guarded manner (no pun intended), but it just occurred to me this might be because he's an innocent with a secret role... ? Let's not repeat the mistake we made with Kit!
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Now maybe I'm just too stupid to really get what the case against him actually is, maybe I also want to think too complicated, but it just looks way too much like Zil has been set up as toDay's target by the wolves, as Legate was yesterDay, if in a different way; and I'm quite determined not to be part of the wagon this time./B]!
I have been saying almost all day that he was set up by the wolves to be lynched today. Hopefully people will listen to you since they failed to listen to me when I said it. The wolves set up two lynching targets, Inziladun and Nogrod. For what seems like the billionth time we should not lynch either of them. So far it is clear that Nogrod is safe and it seems that Inziladun is going to be lynched. Pitchwife, I also plan not to be part of the wagon this time.
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Inziladun will die. There is a three-way tie in guarding between Shasta, Nerwen and Pitchwife- I will roll a die. alona will be modfired in the Night.


Update: The die has decided that Pitchwife will be saved.
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a list to stay organised:

Suspicious
Boro: he may disprove of this suspicion but I still have it, he just makes me uneasy
McCaber: the one random post today is kinda weird, and just him seeming to be under the radar all the time is weird
Hakon: well, I think it's been said numerous times, his gut feelings and overall illogical reasoning

Innocentish
Nerwen: still feel good about her
Nienna: fine with
Brinn: comfortable
Pitch: actually really good with him now
Greenie: liking alot
Nilp: feel pretty good about him

Unsure
Nessa: nothing
Nogrod: I don't find anything he's done really suspicious, but just because of the single Night kill he's going into this category for a while
Shasta: hopefully he shows up today

x'ed with nog and greenie
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Sorry, got kidnapped again. Reading and finishing things up, so be back soon I hope.

Anyone love me enough to do a vote tally?


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Managed to get to come on again quickly just to say 1 thing....

Just thought of something, though I'm sure it's been said already, but it'd be worth discussing tomorrow I think. The only way (atleast I see) that would make giving up the extra Night kill worth it for the wolves would be if it was really obvious that one of them was going to be guarded at some point (so that the single kill wouldn't be a sure sign of guilt). So I think we should probably consider that one of the people who has been considered to be guarded since the beginning would be guilty. Like Nog, Boro and Nerwen for example. If on Day 1 one of these saw "oh, they may want to guard me toMorrow" then setting up Legate would make some sense, so that if the next Day we guarded one of them then the single Night kill wouldn't be such a proof of guilt and they'd probably be left alive for a while.

Anyway, just wanted to put that out there. This is it for me I think.
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Just some highlights from yesterDay...

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Originally Posted by Sally
I'm going out in a bit but think it is interesting that there was only one kill. Of course it could be that Legate's a wolf (LYNCH!) or the wolves could be trying to frame him. But I think the former may be more likely because you would think the wolves would want to get two kills in whenever possible. And besides, if we decided Legate was innocent they could always kill him toMorrow Night or something. So....I don't know.
First post of the Day. She seems a bit careful, not wanting to go completely one way or another. Perhaps waiting to see the others' reactions before taking a side.

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Originally Posted by Nienna
Ok so I think it is worth lynching Legate on the very possible chance that he is a wolf. Many people voted to guard him yesterday because he was being somewhat suspicious. We also need to keep the kills down to one now that we have lost our seer so lynching a wolf will be in our best interest.
Is the first to seem slightly certain of Legate's guilt.

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I'm watching McCaber who pointed out the wolves may want to fake us out and only chose one kill, so we lynch the person we guarded the day before. Interesting theory, but most peculiar that McCaber points this out yesterday, Legate is guarded, and we awake with only one death.
Interesting catch, though it doesn't necessarily point to McCaber's guilt. His comment could've just given the wolves the idea.

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I agree, though, that it does the wolves no good whatever to miss a kill in order to frame an innocent– unless one of the pack was in danger. If Legate's not a wolf, Wilwa might well be.
I believe was the first to come up with the theory that one or the other was a wolf. Many others continued to state that theory as the Day went on.

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It's either wilwa (to trace a connexion to Sally or Lommy) or Inziladun (possible Kitanna bandwaggon starter) for me. But since wilwa is speaking more sense:

++Inziladun
Is the first to vote and vote for Inzil. Not sure what to think of that.

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Just saw this. Thought I'd put it out there. It sounds funny to me.
Pointing out Legate's comment about being guarded.

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Originally Posted by wilwa
Exactly. So, I'm pretty sure Legate's gonna be our first wolf. Which will be lovely because we won't have had to ever experience the double Night kill.
Seems certain of his guilt and very eager to lynch him. But is that eagerness because she really did think we were going to nab a wolf or was she a wolf eager to lynch an innocent?

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Legate I believe you will be our case study. If we lynch you (as I believe we should) and you turn out innocent then we know we cannot trust the guarding results. We would then obviously not keep lynching those people who we have guarded and resort back to lynching those with suspicious voting, actions, etc.
The way she says this almost sounds like she's expecting him to end up innocent.

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I'd almost rather try to guard the fourth wolf (if in fact it isn't Legate)
Legate pointed this out as a slip, though I'm not sure it is. It's just worded a bit strange, I think.

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But somehow I can't believe for a moment both her and Legate are innocents. So if Legate turns out innocent for some reason I'd be looking at Wilwa the first thing toMorrow.
Interesting comment. But has he done that yet? I can't remember.

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Well, I'm back. And toDay has certainly been more interesting than I originally wanted. We have Legate arguing his innocence, and ... just about everyone but Legate wanting to lynch him.

Right now I'm not prepared to argue either way, but I'll stay connected and think about what this shows about the "everyone but Legate" crowd.
Comments on the situation, but seems to restrain from giving his own opinion on the matter.

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Every time I re-read everything Legate says he makes more and more sense to me. I see the merit that his ideas have. I don't think they're as likely as some other possibilities, but I do really respect the work he's put into them. I do however still think that lynching him would get us further along, if he's guilty (which I think is more probable) then that's awesome, if he happens to be innocent then it provides us with a better idea of what sort of wolves we're dealing with, and we can try to figure out who would have been more likely to agree/come up with such a risky bluff. I'm seeing that the latter is more possible then I originally thought it was, but I don't think it's as likely, so I'm willing to take the risk. Besides, if we did lynch someone else instead we would just be back to wondering what to do with Legate tomorrow (not to mention we could accidently kill another gifted), and we wouldn't really have accomplished to much regarding that subject. So it's our best bet really, despite the risk.
It is strange she shares a moment of doubt not long after the theory that either she or Legate is a wolf is discussed.

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++ Nogrod

mostly because he's been making a lot of sense, and I'd rather see him alive
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Alright. Well I'll still be aroud til the DL but I'm just gonna do this now to avoid the rush:

++ Guard Nogrod
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Originally Posted by Inzil
++Guard Nogrod

for Cab's reasons.
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Originally Posted by Hakon
++Nogrod

I am voting him for the same reason as Cab and Inzil.
Interesting. These votes look particularly bad from Inzil and Hakon. Very bandwagonish.
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Old 09-05-2009, 01:50 PM   #29
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But...let's try this.

++ Brinniel

Just a feeling, with some comments from others for fuel.
Where did this come from? Inzil, you seem to have this habit of latching onto other people's opinions.
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Ok must vote as I'm not going to be around for deadline.

I'm not comfortable with Zil or Pitchwife. I've had suspicions of Zil longer than Pitchwife so I'm going to vote him today.

++Zil

and I don't know if I trust any of you right now. I would like to see Shasta kept around for another day though.

++ Guard Shasta

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