Tol-in-Gaurhoth Threefold and Six: The Night Guard

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, we got that you were a wolf (obviously). I think you could have been a bit more explicit with the clues to your fellows– though I suppose it was hard to know how, without risking making them looking more innocent.

Indeed. My worry with giving overt clues was that the pack would quickly figure me out, and would somehow engineer my demise themselves, giving them a very good standing with the rest of you. A rock and a hard place, as I saw it. I thought if I just deprived them of the double-kills, you all would have a chance.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Indeed. My worry with giving overt clues was that the pack would quickly figure me out, and would somehow engineer my demise themselves, giving them a very good standing with the rest of you. A rock and a hard place, as I saw it. I thought if I just deprived them of the double-kills, you all would have a chance.

How did you manage to talk your packmates into that one?

[Nerwen]

Oh, and a question for the other wolves-

After Zil's demise, was there any Nightly discussion along the lines of, "What got into him? It's like he was TRYING to give himself away!"

I still remember our pack's all-unsuspecting reaction to the death of Kamikaze Lomwolf in Sally's game.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

How did you manage to talk your packmates into that one?

Actually, I believe it was Nilp who brought up the one-kill idea and I was strongly for it too. So our traitor didn't even need to talk us into it. It was my belief that we stood a better chance without known innocents, and though it would take more Days, if we played it right, it would allow for a more cunning victory. It worked for me before (well, sort of). And it worked again.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

After Zil's demise, was there any Nightly discussion along the lines of, "What got into him? It's like he was TRYING to give himself away!"

Not really. He's a newer player still and I haven't seen him as a wolf before, so I didn't know how he'd play as one. Many wolves have been suspicious from early on before, though I did suspect after his death that he was the traitor since none of us remaining were attracting suspicion and were actually making a good team effort. Actually one thing that made me suspect Greenie was on our side was that on Night 4 we were considering killing Shasta, but then it was Greenie who realised he'd be modfired if he didn't show the next Day. And I would imagine she would've kept that information to herself were she the traitor.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I tried to start a lynch-wagon on Brinn, building on things others had said, and hoping for the best.

It's funny because I actually told my packmates I was happy you voted me. It might've been because you were a traitor trying to start a bandwagon against me or a loyal wolf placing me in a better light since your fate looked pretty bleak at that point. But I knew with your death it was quite possible I'd look more innocent to others thanks to your vote.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Is that why you lot dropped the ball and didn't do one after I was lynched?

Interesting story. Nilp was gone for the rest of the Night, so it was up to me and Greenie. It was a little after two hours before deadline when we agreed with a kill and that I'd submit it. And I did not too long afterward. Since I sent a PM with a question around the time we were deciding the kill (actually even a bit before) and Eonwe replied with no inquiry about our kill, I figured our submitted kill would go through just fine. So imagine my surprise when I found out no one died and it wasn't a save. Apparently we were supposed to have our kill sent two hours before deadline and not a minute later...and all along I had thought we were good as long as it was at least an hour ahead. Yeah, bad me, I've been so distracted with moving and I know that wasn't the only rule I missed. Our kill would've been McCaber, btw.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

(remember "looking Frodo-ish", Brinn?).

Which game was that?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Which game was that?

"Panic at the Prancing Pony", where we were Ringwraiths and "Frodo" was the Cursed.

[Nogrod]

Oh you nassty wolvses!!! *hats off*

I felt really bad about Greenie, especially during the first Days but I just kept on telling myself that I always suspect her and so maybe it's just that and I should leave her be until later. Then reading the last Day's action I screamed at my computer: "wolf, wolf!" but understandably no one heard it any more.

It was the classic thing: being too happy or at ease, half-leaning backwards and just letting others do the job.

And Nilp, as stupid as this sounds, I must say I was very uneasy with you as well; not actually over what you said which was basically very reasonable and thoughtful - but because how much involved you were. So I just kept telling myself that I can't start suspecting you "just because" you're more involved.

And looking at the Day before I was quite sure that either Nienna or Brinn (or Sally) were a wolf - or even both, with Pitchwife or McCaber one of whom they/she saved.

So it would have been a series of tough choices, too many of them, and I'm afraid I'd managed to make the wrong one in the end anyway so it was good I was away for the last Day.


Oh my, Inzil, you had the hardest possible role! Between a rock and a hard place indeed.

Sorry Pitchie, I was totally wrong with you. And I feel bad letting you down Wilwa - I thought you innocentish through the game and never had time or energy to actually go through your posts to make a more considered judgement on you - and just wawered in the end.

Haha, there were three innocents facing the gallows that Night so we'd been one down anyway...

Thank's to Eönwë for a fun a fun game - and to all players!

[Nienna]

I'd like to apologize to Wilwa yet again for that terrible last minute bandwagon.

I'd been getting innocent vibes from Wilwa and Sally all game and wolf vibes from Nilp and Brinn. Sadly I did not trust my instincts... eh. I can't win 'em all.

As a village we kind of helped the wolves along a bit... the two lynch choices on Day One were both gifteds, we lynched a framed innocent, then we lynch the ONE wolf that can help us. Hahaha oops.

[wilwarin538]

uh...good job wolves!

So the Night before I died, when Hakon was being lynched, I was going back and forth between Brinn and McCaber, and I went for McCaber, and now I'm really mad, haha. I should have stuck with her.

So, no one probably caught this, but for the first four Days in my 3rd, 5th and 8th (numbers in my name) posts all the paragraphs started with the letter H. I also popped in some sword and arrow icons, which I usually don't use, but I didn't put them on any specific posts until my last Day, which Nilp caught, showing I hunted McCaber.

Anyway, don't feel bad Nienna, the Hunter is only useful when they die, I just didn't do my job well, haha. Sorry Legate for going after you so hard! And McCaber too!

Thanks again Eonwe for a great game, I had a lot of fun! Not going to get to play again for a long while, so I'm glad I lasted fairly long in this one.

[Pitchwife]

Congratulations to the wolves - you were awesome! Greenie, you fooled me royally on the last Day, I truly thought you were innocent. Nilp and Brinn, your split attack before the last DL was brilliant - Nilp going after Nienna, while Brinn swayed McCaber and me into that stupid Sally lynch, and Greenie doing a last minute retraction from one innocent to another. Kudos to sally, Nienna and Boro for voting the true wolf - we should have listened...
I started having doubts about Nilp after McCaber revealed, as I still thought there was a wolf somewhere among the Zil voters, but I hadn't ever looked at him closely enough, nor at Brinn. I had that nagging feeling something was escaping me, but after I'd spent so much time defending myself, there was too little time left to dig into it.
Speaking of Zil - it comes as a small comfort to learn there really was a good heart under your furry skin, and you had in fact a secret role, as I'd surmised! So I wasn't that utterly mistaken as it looked after your lynching, although I tried to keep you from fulfilling your Mod-decreed destiny, and for all the wrong reasons...
And the wolves considered killing Shasta on Night 4?
Nog, Boro - no worry about your suspicion of me, I know I asked for it. This was my first game as an ordo, and I guess not having a crucial role this time made me act just a bit too reckless. For a while on the last Day, I gave in to frustration, but I got over it. It was also the first time I survived till the end, much to my own surprise, and it seems I hadn't seen nothing yet...
(By the way, Boro, it's a relief that we were in the same boat after all. My shaky suspicion of you faded long before the end, but I'd have kicked myself if it had turned out I'd been right.)
Sincere apologies to Kit, Legate and sally - none of you deserved what we did to you! Lommy, we should have listened to you more. And kudos to Mnemo, Nerwen, wilwa and, once again, Nienna - you all were excellent.
McCaber, good choice to reveal when you did - it simplified matters somewhat for me, although we were both fooled by the wolves in the end.
Hakon - that's twice in a row I was convinced of your innocence when you were under heavy suspicion, and was right. If I ever play against you when you're a wolf, I wonder what evidence you'd have to shove into my face for me to suspect you...

Thanks to Eönwe for modding - I liked the grim atmosphere of your narrations. The Night Guard was a great idea, complicating things in a very interesting way, together with the secret roles. (But please, satisfy my curiosity - what was it about Nog's sword an armour? Surprising possessions for a retired bourgeois - unless his name is Bilbo Baggins, of course.)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Actually, I believe it was Nilp who brought up the one-kill idea and I was strongly for it too. So our traitor didn't even need to talk us into it. It was my belief that we stood a better chance without known innocents, and though it would take more Days, if we played it right, it would allow for a more cunning victory. It worked for me before (well, sort of). And it worked again.

I remember being concerned on Night 3 because there seemed to be some grumbling among us about Nog being guarded, and that we needed to make a double-kill or two the next couple of nights with someone not as dangerous being considered innocent. Single-kills were a slower, but safer strategy. When I basically explained that during the Day, someone picked up on that as suspicious from me. I succeeded wildly in the first part of the Mod instructions I received: getting myself lynched. The other part? Utter failure.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

It's funny because I actually told my packmates I was happy you voted me. It might've been because you were a traitor trying to start a bandwagon against me or a loyal wolf placing me in a better light since your fate looked pretty bleak at that point.

Like I said, I had to vote early, because I was going to be away and miss DL. I certainly didn't want to get another innocent lynched, so I tried to get the ball rolling with you; something I could possibly explain to the remaining packmates as a merely a bad call on my part. I knew several suspected me at that point, but Kit's vote for you seemed to be leading toward speculation she'd known of your wolvishness, and I hoped to capitalise on that. Obviously, I was considered a much worthier candidate for the noose.