T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Roa_Aoife]

So, Loslote, why did you vote Rune for captain? Was it only because you didn't think he was a wolf?


Edit: Bad grammar

[Loslote]

That, and (since I don't know you guys super well yet) he seemed like someone would would be willing to make decisions without worrying about the reaction.

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading.

[Roa_Aoife]

Legate

Post 1- Likes that Roa gets straight to the point, has nothing against being Captain or NG, agrees that we should choose carefully, points out that NG’s are somewhat random

(A sensible first post, mostly agreeing with what’s been said.)

Post 2- Agrees with Nerwen that a wolf as captain could be devastating (if you think that, why would you want to keep Captains for 2 days in a row?), thinks that the wolves would approach the situation subtly (I missed that one in the list of posts that plays down the suspicious nature of Rune’s actions.) Doesn’t understand the Fea/Boro thing, is pressed for time

Post 3- Explains his reaction to the Fea/Boro thing, doesn’t get what Boro was on about, but doesn’t see it as suspicious. Thinks people should let it be. Thinks that wolves would pick on Fea for her actions, but also thinks wolves would pick on Boromir.

(So which is it? If you think that the wolves would pick on Fea, and Boromir tries to pick on Fea, by your reasoning it’s fair to find him suspicious. But to find him suspicious for doing something you said a wolf would do is also something a wolf would do? You contradicted yourself within the space of two sentences.)

Post 4- Says he could join Roa in questioning Boromir, doesn’t think it’s odd that Roa finds Boromir suspicious (So continuing with your line of reasoning, a wolf might pick on Fea, or a wolf might pick on Boromir for picking on Fea. Boromir is picking on Fea, but it’s not suspicious. I’m picking on Boromir for picking on Fea, but I’m not suspicious. You post things that sound reasonable, but your reasoning doesn’t go anywhere.) Is concerned about how easily this could turn into a bandwagon, and wants people to approach it with a clear head, it could be easy for the wolves to turn into a bandwagon, but bad for them if Boromir is a wolf. (So the bandwagon would make it easy on the wolves… unless Boromir was a wolf. You keeping coming down on both sides of the issue. This is really very careful.) Doesn’t want to talk more until more people are around, has a very preliminary idea about Nerwen (guilty or for captain?)

(A lot of talking without really saying anything)

Post 5- Joke about his revelation about Nienna, says the dynamic of his thinking is what it came to, asks Nienna if she’s a wolf

Post 6- Agrees that a wolf would pick on Fea, and a wolf would pick on Boro for picking on Fea, thinks that more evidence should be in before voting on it, agrees that Roa is being quite reasonable, thinks it would be best for the villagers to start showing up and talking, response to Nienna, thinks it’s good to vote someone quiet for the NG

(I can see his point about wanting more evidence. I most certainly did. I still think he was reasoning in circles.)

Post 7- explains to Valier about his question to Nienna

(Again, I can see his reasoning here.)

Post 8- Explains to Valier why we should vote a quiet person as NG: likely wolf kills, bringing people more into the game, they have to change daily

Post 9- Asks Iniz to clarify why he wants Boro to be NG, explains why he chose to ask Nienna about her guilt, didn’t think anything odd about her reply, clarification about rules

(I didn’t get what he was trying with Nienna- wolves and innocents both have a wide range of responding to that question, so I don’t know what he would prove with it)

Post 10- More rules clarification

Post 11- Thinks Rune is acting strangely, but doesn’t think he’s a wolf, asks Fea for reasons for her votes

(I must say, I’m with Boromir on the use of “strange,” “odd,” and “weird.” It’s terribly non-committal. If you think someone is acting strangely, why wouldn’t you suspect them?)

Post 12- Presses Fea about her vote for Hakon, wonders if she thinks his message has anything to do with someone being a wolf (Obviously him. I don’t see what he’s getting at. Surely he could go and see for himself. It’s like he’s looking for a wagon ride.) Thinks he will support Nerwen for something, says Nienna is okay looking, thinks Rune, Boro, and Hakon are weird, but not suspicious (How are they weird, and why doesn’t that make them suspicious?) Is worried about Inzil, but it’s a gut feeling, Valier looks mischevious but could be innocent, Lommy is slightly disturbing but really only if she Hakon are wolves, most people haven’t posted enough. Doesn’t have a clear picture on votes

(Of course there is no clarity in your votes, everything you’ve said in terms of suspicion is “Well, it could be suspicious, but it might not be." You have a lot of words to really say nothing.)

Post 13- Agrees that we should change the captain regularly. Except if we find a foolproof captain, of course, thinks the captain role could help protect the village.

(“We might do this, but we could also do the opposite.” Your posts are all starting to sound the same in your lack of any concrete opinion. Being overly cautious is as bad as being rash.)

Post 14- More excuses for Rune’s behavior, doesn’t think a wolf-Rune would try for captain so obviously (We see how that turned out) still won’t vote him for captain

(You seem really convinced of Rune’s innocence at this point, so why wouldn’t you want him to be captain? Wouldn’t you want someone you believed to be innocent as captain?)

Post 15- Doesn’t want Rune to be captain, but doesn’t want him lynched, thinks the other options aren’t much better. Doesn’t to lynch Loslote cause he’s new, may choose Brinn or Roa for NG

(I thought you wanted someone quiet for NG. I’m the loudest person here. Why me?)

Post 16- explains to Lommy why he wants someone quiet as the NG, clears up rules

Post 17- Disagrees with Lommy, says Kath’s vote looks fine, but doesn’t to kill Valier since she hasn’t been in a game for a while.

(Of all the votes going on, why should he feel the need to comment on this one?)

Post 18- Suddenly thinks that lynching Lommy is a good idea, since Boro voted for her… because she’s weird

(A. Lommy looked like Lommy to me, and B. So Rune being weird isn’t suspicious, but Lommy being weird is. But only after Boromir pointed it out. What, you didn’t think the Hakon bandwagon would take off so you looked for a different one?)

Post 19- Wonders about who to vote for NG since Brinn seems secure

(Brinn wasn’t secure, she wasn’t even in 2nd place. And did you just say “Gosh”?)

(Not that the use of Gosh is suspicious, I just haven’t heard anyone use it since I was in middle school.)

Post 20- Thinks Lommy maybe “emotionally blackmailing” people out of lynching her (I see what you were saying, but she had a good point- arguing against being called weird is pretty much impossible) Votes Nienna NG

(Why Nienna? She wasn't the most quiet)

Post 21- Votes Lommy “But that Rune. Agh. And captain, blah.”

(I’m not sure what you were saying. Confused at Rune’s behavior? Upset that he was made captain? For the first, why not suspect him, then, and for the second, why be upset if you thought him innocent?)

Post 22- Thanks Day 1 ended luckily for us, a pity that Mac wasn’t as successful, thinks Mc’s death might lend us some clues, but also might have been a trail-less kill (There you go again.) Thinks we should look at why Mac may have been killed or why he wouldn’t have been feared as a kill. Also thinks we should look at Rune captain voters, says he and the BG’s agree that a wolf probably voted to put Rune into the lead, points out that the most guiltily voting person was dead, and doesn’t fault Mac for his choice. Will give his impressions of his BG’s later, suggests that maybe we should keep the captain two days so the captain can gain full power

(YesterDay, you said that the role of captain was dangerous, and that we should keep it limited. Now you’ve changed your mind?)

Post 23- Explains his reasoning for his BG picks. Response to Valier, says we still should look at Rune’s supporters.

(Some of what he says is very reasonable, most is only reasonable sounding, while firmly keeping from saying anything concrete. I don't like the way he kept insisting on Rune's innocence while maintaining the appearance of not trusting him.)

Edit: fixed formatting. Also, how is it that no one posts for sevral hours, but as soon as I hit send reply, I've crossed posted with someone?

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm going to bed. I'd be interested to hear what the night talkers thought of each other. And a look at those other people who walked the line between insisting Rune's innocence and not openly supporting him for captain. Legate did this more than anyone, but Greenie did it as well as vote to lynch Hakon, she's next when I get back, unless someone beats me to it.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, let's not wait till the end of the Day for everyone to start talking, please.

[Nienna]

As one of the night talkers (I was a BG with Fea if anyone missed that) I am pretty trusting of Legate at the moment. With every that he said and the way that he said it I trust him. I know its hard for you all to go on something like that but I don't really know how to articulate it better than that. Fea is a little more problematic. She is on my 'unsure' list. She said some things that make me suspect her and some things that make me think she's innocent. Bah.

I greatly appreciate Roa's analysis but I beg the village to do their own analysis and come to their own conclusions as there is always the possibility that Roa has a role (wolf or cobbler) that would taint her version... or she could just be seeing one thing while someone else is seeing another.

I'm going to sleep now but I should be around more tomorrow morning (my time) for analysis and such.

[Valier]

I too am off to bed. I do think we should let Legate be Captain today.I think hes been making alot of sense and I say we see what he can do. I'll hopefully have time to post in the morning...if not I will definately be here a few hours before deadline.

[Nerwen]

R.I.P. Hunters–

Firstly, I'd like to say– well done, Hakon!

And too bad, Mac– but I don't blame you for thinking Inzi was a wolf. I was all ready to make a case on him toDay myself.

And now, my thoughts on the Rune situation.

Originally Posted by Valier

Do you think the wolves planned to be all loud or do you think they are all going to play different roles in the village?

Generally I find smart wolves try not to change their usual playing style too much (unless they're pretending to be another role, like the cobbler). It's a bit of a giveaway.

Originally Posted by Valier

If the wolves already knew what Rune was planning, I am sure they would have planned to have one wolf at least be against him and accuse him of wolfishness to make themselves look good.

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Again, true, but they still want to try for the situation that gives them the best advantage.

Technically you're likely both right– that is, I doubt every single one of the villains would take the risk of openly supporting him. On the other hand, a were-captain would be such a help to the wolves that I can see them pushing for it pretty hard. And of course, with hindsight Rune's plan was evidently "hiding in plain view"... so it could be the wolves are deliberately trying to act atypically.

We'll know what Boro is toNight, which should help clarify things a bit.

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

The people who voted to lynch Hakon are: Fea, Greenie, Inzil, and Mac. Mac and Inzil are known to be innocents, so that leaves Fea and Greenie

The people who voted Rune for captain are: Boro, Valier, Loslote, Rune (), and Inzil. Rune and Inzil are dead, so that leaves Boro, Valier, and Loslote.

What about the Night Guard votes? Did we ever get a Word-of-Mod on whether wolves are neutralised if they become Night Guards?

EDIT:X'd since Roa.

[Brinniel]

Gah...so I just got a small job that requires me to be up no later than 7am, so what little time I had is even less.

I admit I've not thoroughly read all of Day One; five pages is really a lot to catch up on. But I think I have the jist on what's happened. I don't understand how Rune managed to be elected captain yesterDay; if I were there I'd never let anyone who's begging for a role have it. Part of that is because I don't like letting people have their way. But also I don't care if what Rune did is typical for his behaviour; his campaign to get himself elected as captain just looked plain wolfish. True that surely a wolf or two did not vote him as captain to make them look better, but I'm sure at least one wolf did. Due to lack of time, I really won't be able to seek out strong suspicions, but I think the best place for me to start is by looking at the ones who did vote Rune for captain.

I could wait to vote until morning, but I worry I'll run out of time and not be able to so I'll probably just do it tonight...and soon. Again, I apologise for my poor participation (I'm thinking now I probably shouldn't have joined, but apparently I have this addiction problem ), but I will be around a lot more toMorrow as it will be the weekend.