Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXVIII: A Full Moon Over Innsmouth

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Why can't someone just say something blatanly suspicious so that the rest of us have something to talk about??

Why wouldn't you do it Wilwa?

And I actually mean it whatever your role is. If you get lynched early because of what you say but thus help us others to spot a wolf you'll be a hero. So be brave and open your mind! Why can't you?

And anyway, why will not everyone say things aloud?

Okay the first posters are a thing in themselves as there is nothing to build any opinios on but already now I think there is a lot to be said (which I have kind of tried to exemplify in my last post).

So there are no more excuses to say just "hello", "have a good Day" or "let's get those bastards"...

That's like over and done with.

Originally Posted by wilwa

So the thing about Day 1s is that while we're in it they are really mostly useless, there's no one to really suspect and not really much info to go on, we basically just all pick someone random to vote for and try our hardest to find some logical reason for it (I know, no one likes to say their vote is random, but honestly most of the time it is, cause really, there's barely anything on anyone). But Day 1s are sooo useful on Day 2s, therefore we should all help ourselves out and post anyway

It would be much better if you actually said something yourself and not just called for others to say something - as reasonable as that call is in itself.

The wolves love to take that kind of a posture: say what is wise but not expose their own necks to actually do that which they think the others should do...

Okay. Sleep for me as well now but I'll be back later in the Day...

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Why wouldn't you do it Wilwa?

And I actually mean it whatever your role is. If you get lynched early because of what you say but thus help us others to spot a wolf you'll be a hero. So be brave and open your mind! Why can't you?

Ahaha, you'd just love that so much wouldn't you Noggy??? But no, I'm not gonna get to play again for a long time so I'm gonna hold on for as long as possible and get the most out of this game. No way am I gonna make it obvious that I'm a wolf just to make you're life easier.....oops .

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It would be much better if you actually said something yourself and not just called for others to say something - as reasonable as that call is in itself.

I was simply making a point that no one can make the excuse "I didn't post cause I had nothing new to add". I posted and had nothing new to add, therefore everyone can. Something useless is still better then nothing at all.

Obviously I wasn't going to leave it at that and then vanish. That'd be silly. I will be coming on a few more time throughout the Day.

But for now I need badly to do some homework, so I'm going to go for a bit and then come back in about half an hour, ish. Hopefully have something useful to add by then.

x'posted with a few

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

No way am I gonna make it obvious that I'm a wolf just to make you're life easier.....oops .

Just saw this... it worries me... I've seen more than one wolf jokingly say they are a wolf to have it brushed off (which it was).

[Roa_Aoife]

Please, people. If you are wrong about the person you think is a wolf, then you are killing a gifted, which plays right into the wolves hands. There is only a 1/4 chance of getting the right person, and 1/2 chance of killing a gifted. Are you really going to risk killing a gifted on odds like that? We need the ranger alive and we need the seer alive.

That mess will definitely sort itself out. Just leave it be for now and don't risk our gifted on something you can't be sure of.

[Loslote]

No one is leaning toward lynching Morsul, who is (almost definitely) the Agent. Therefore, it would be more like a 1/3 shot of hitting a wolf. Also, very few people are leaning towards lynching Pitchie. 1/2 shot of hitting a wolf, 1/2 shot of hitting a seer. However, even though these odds are slightly better than Roa's, I agree that we should leave them be. If Wilwa is the seer, then the wolves can kill Pitchie. But then we know that Hakon's a wolf, and we can lynch him. If Hakon's the seer, then they can't kill Pitchie toNight. But if Pitchie doesn't die, it doesn't prove that Hakon's the ranger, it just gives a bit more legitimacy to his claim. Therefore, we only know for sure who's the ranger if Pitchie dies toNight. I'm definitely not happy with that, but what can you do?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

If Wilwa is the seer, then the wolves can kill Pitchie. But then we know that Hakon's a wolf, and we can lynch him. If Hakon's the seer, then they can't kill Pitchie toNight. But if Pitchie doesn't die, it doesn't prove that Hakon's the ranger, it just gives a bit more legitimacy to his claim. Therefore, we only know for sure who's the ranger if Pitchie dies toNight.

Lottie, you've got the claims mixed up. The "Dreamer" is the Seer, and the "Priest" is the Ranger.

[Loslote]

Oops! Sorry. In my head, it made sense...

[Nienna]

Roa if you are worried about me, don't be. I'm just trying to make a productive use of toDay... I won't vote to lynch anyone who could possibly be a gifted until we are more sure.

[Brinniel]

So I come home exhausted and tell Nienna I'm not sure how much energy I'll have for WW toDay and she replies, "Btw, there have been gifted reveals up the wazoo." Thanks guys. Now my headache has grown ten times worse.

Obviously Morsul isn't the real seer since he gave up on his act. And I would've said anyway that I don't believe him. For one thing, if Pitch was a wolf sacrificing another to look good, I don't think he would've chosen to sacrifice Spm...anyway it wouldn't be a smart move period to sacrifice on Day One. So is Morsul the agent or a wolf? If he's a wolf, he just blew it for his team; but we can't count out the possibility. Which means at some point in the future we'll probably need to lynch him so not to let the risk of a wolf getting away. Geez, for all we know Morsul could just be an ordo who doesn't know what he's doing. He didn't know how to vote properly yesterDay, so is it possible he doesn't know you're not supposed to fake reveal if innocent? It seems unlikely, but I don't know..

As to who our ranger is I'm less certain, but I'm more inclined to believe wilwa. Hakon had no good reason to come out; rangers don't reveal unless they're being threatened. And everything he has said since sounds fabricated. Wilwa on the other hand seems more believable and her panicked reveal was more genuine. (Now if she is the ranger, I'm really hoping she is bluffing about who she protected.) The only reason I could see a ranger reveal come out so suddenly was to lure out the real ranger, and if so, it's been a success. Though that could've been something done by either a wolf or agent.

There's my thoughts for now. I need to take some ibuprofen, eat, and relax a bit before doing anything more. But I'll suggest that perhaps now we should start to switch our focus elsewhere. These reveals have caused a great deal of distraction which wolves love since it makes it easy for them to hide. Because while one wolf may be part of this mess, there's still at least one who is not. Btw, are there three or four wolves in this game? I forgot. And my head still hurts.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Roa

That mess will definitely sort itself out. Just leave it be for now and don't risk our gifted on something you can't be sure of.

Good point. Which is precisely why we should change our focus and start to look at other players.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Good point. Which is precisely why we should change our focus and start to look at other players.

What do you make of Nienna and her attempts to make out that Morsul wasn't "really" impersonating the Dreamer? Firstly she says she wasn't sure whether Morsul had actually revealed, and when I quoted the post in which he said "I'm the Dreamer", she suggests that it was just a joke (which it rather clearly wasn't).

Now, granted, Morsul seems to have a sufficiently shaky grasp of the rules that you couldn't 100% rule out him being an ordo who didn't understand what he was doing
– except, by that point he had basically confessed to being the Agent. (Whether he is that, or a wolf, remains to be seen.) I'm thinking– when a cobbler is exposed, who, besides the cobbler himself, has most reason to be dismayed?

EDIT:X'd with Lottie.

[Morsul the Dark]

wellI have to go to sleep and since I'll be working early and then off to a Real Priest to discuss wedding plans I'll have to vote now assuming, everything so far... Hakon seems the worst off in the bunch so,

++Hakon

[wilwarin538]

So I read through those super fast, which I feel aweful about but I have no other choice. Something Roa said about Brinn saying Morsul could be an ord stuck out so I went to find the post:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Obviously Morsul isn't the real seer since he gave up on his act. And I would've said anyway that I don't believe him. For one thing, if Pitch was a wolf sacrificing another to look good, I don't think he would've chosen to sacrifice Spm...anyway it wouldn't be a smart move period to sacrifice on Day One. So is Morsul the agent or a wolf? If he's a wolf, he just blew it for his team; but we can't count out the possibility. Which means at some point in the future we'll probably need to lynch him so not to let the risk of a wolf getting away. Geez, for all we know Morsul could just be an ordo who doesn't know what he's doing. He didn't know how to vote properly yesterDay, so is it possible he doesn't know you're not supposed to fake reveal if innocent? It seems unlikely, but I don't know..

That whole thing really bugs me. I mean it's not completely unlikely that an ordo would reveal in order to protect a gifted, but Morsul doesn't do it in a way that could really be useful, and for a new player to try something like that as an ord, that seems unlikely. Maybe if it was someone who's played alot and could pull it off better, but I don't think that's the case here and I really don't see how Brinn could find that possible.

I know this is flimsy, and trust me that's driving me nuts, but I don't have anything concrete on anyone and this just stuck out to me. If I manage to still be alive tomorrow and Brinn is too I'll look more closely at her but for now I really just have to vote and this is all that stood out for me. Sorry.

++Brinn

Really have to run now, big rush. Good luck!!