Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXVIII: A Full Moon Over Innsmouth

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I agree Wilwa is probably the last wolf, but just in case she doesn't sprout fur when we lynch her, we may as well formulate our ideas on other people.

For instance, can we take Brinn to be a known innocent, based on Lari's slip?

EDIT:X'd with Roa; typos.

What slip?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating.

Ah well, get in line then. It starts behind Nogrod and extends quite a ways.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Refresh my memory: which slip would that be?

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

What slip?

Only one of a number of things I found suspicious in her last post yesterDay.

EDIT:X'd with Hakon.

[Roa_Aoife]

She says she thinks Brinn is innocent.

A. How is that a slip?

B. How would that exonerate Brinn?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

She says she thinks Brinn is innocent.

A. How is that a slip?

B. How would that exonerate Brinn?

Yes, she said "Brinn's response to Lottie seems rather innocent". But then in the next paragraph, she talks as though she knew her role for certain:

Originally Posted by Wolfiren Shadow

I can't tell if this is just a fed up innocent, like Brinn

It could be a shorthand for, "I'm regarding her as innocent for now", of course, but to me it looks like a slip.

[wilwarin538]

K, I know you guys are all pretty convinced of my guilt but please, just think about this for a second.

If I had kept my mouth shut on Day 2 Hakon would have died that night and Pitch the following. And we would have gotten nothing, since Pitch dreamt of Greenie that Night. BUT since I pretended to be the Ranger I got us 2 more dreams (one of which is a wolf, which is lovely).

Now....what kind of stupid wolf would do this???? The Ranger was already revealed, a wolf me would have nothing to gain by bluffing and putting myself out in the open like that. Nothing. And providing the village with two more dreams??? No. A wolf me would never do such a thing, I always stay under the radar when I'm a wolf. I do crazy stuff when I'm an ord (like now) or in a role I've never had before (like my last game as Hunter), but never as a wolf.

But whatever. We're lynching Lari today so I know I've got one more Day to try and convince you, I just hope tomorrow you don't waste your time with me.

Gotta sleep now. I'll be around in the morning. And might as well vote now aswell:

++Lari

[Hakon]

I kept Pitchwife alive. I protected him the second night and I bluffed him into protection the third night and really protected myself. The fourth night I protected him and the wolves failed to kill him. Wolfwa I came up with this plan before you false revealed. You did not keep either Pitchwife or me alive. Tomorrow I vote for Wolfwa.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Hakon

I kept Pitchwife alive. I protected him the second night and I bluffed him into protection the third night and really protected myself. The fourth night I protected him and the wolves failed to kill him. Wolfwa I came up with this plan before you false revealed. You did not keep either Pitchwife or me alive. Tomorrow I vote for Wolfwa.

Did we ever get the word from McCaber as to whether the Priest is allowed to protect ximself?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

K, I know you guys are all pretty convinced of my guilt but please, just think about this for a second.

If I had kept my mouth shut on Day 2 Hakon would have died that night and Pitch the following. And we would have gotten nothing, since Pitch dreamt of Greenie that Night. BUT since I pretended to be the Ranger I got us 2 more dreams (one of which is a wolf, which is lovely).

Now....what kind of stupid wolf would do this???? The Ranger was already revealed, a wolf me would have nothing to gain by bluffing and putting myself out in the open like that. Nothing. And providing the village with two more dreams??? No. A wolf me would never do such a thing, I always stay under the radar when I'm a wolf. I do crazy stuff when I'm an ord (like now) or in a role I've never had before (like my last game as Hunter), but never as a wolf.

Wilwa, I am indeed puzzled by why a wolf-you would have acted as you did... but then I'm puzzled by why an innocent you would either.

This–

#168.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

But it's so obvious to me that Hakon is evil, I just wanted it to be out there so we can definitely get a baddie today.

does not look much like the work of an ordo intent on saving the Ranger to me.

I am, however, looking at the unknowns, just in case when we lynch you you turn out to be innocent after all. I say "when" advisedly, because– well, honestly, Wilwa, we pretty much have to lynch you. We'd be mad to leave the single most suspicious person in the village alive, when there's no longer a chance you're the Ranger.

EDIT:X'd with Hakon.

[Lariren Shadow]

And some Lovecraft quotes:

But are not the dreams of poets and the tales of travellers notoriously false?

In London there is a man who screams when the church bells ring.

But more wonderful than the lore of old men and the lore of books is the secret lore of ocean.

Very sleek and fat did the cats appear, and sonorous with purring content.

[Morsul the Dark]

Jus wante to say I'm back! Sorry about all that unexpected problems with the internet been chewing my nails off wondering about WW ALOT of catching up o do and Congrats to Lari

EDIT:Spelling

[Morsul the Dark]

Well then I Could try to fight back Lari Suspicion but as we know that's impossible now So

++Lari

again sorry I diappeared Our internet is by usage and we went over because of an unexpected download so to avoid extra charges...

[Nerwen]

Lari on the unknown players (Day 1)
Together with a selection of things people said about her

#10.

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

I do agree with Wilwa about possibly being optimistic and that maybe we can get a wolf on Day 1!

That's just opening banter.

#70.
Replying to The Saucepan Wolf.

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

• Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man
  On a more serious note, I am expecting everyone to play their full part toDay (and, indeed, every Day). When it comes to voting, we won’t have a lot to go on. But we’ll have even less if people don’t speak up, play their part, make their opinions known. I hereby give warning that I shall not take kindly to those who seek to hide in the quiet shadows of the thread.

This strikes me. I know in context it could be "play our parts as good villagers and find the wolves" but at the same time I took it as a sort of signal. Like the Agent to his wolves.

Classic suspect-your-mate-of-cobblery move.

Then she makes a list.
#71

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Inzil: Doesn't set off any alarms.

Pitchwife: Seems innocent to me.

Loslote: Not newbie right? Interesting comment about distracting narratives...maybe sniffing out wolves? Or not. Needs watching.

Hakon: The comment about SPM, now that I realize taken in with his, could be signaling to each other. Not good. Don't have a good feeling about him at all.

Wilwa: She has good points and is optimistic, we should keep her around.

Nog: Seems like typical Nog. I have no idea if that means he's innocent or guilty.

SPM: Needs watching. I find him suspicious for reasons in my last post. Not saying should go after toDay, but he does deserve watching.

Roa: Seems pretty innocent.

Crayon: Newbie. Newbie pass.

Nienna: Pretty innocent looking.

Nerwen: No read.

Legate: Not setting off any alarms.

Greenie: Interesting things to say, not suspicious.

Morsul: Newbie to werewolf? Gets newbie pass.

Kitanna: Nothing much at all.

Brinn: Thinks everyone is a wolf. Paranoid, needs watching.

So, these are the people she had a definite opinion about:

Pitchwife (Seer). Positive.
Loslote (ordo). Mildly negative.
Hakon (Ranger). Negative.
Wilwa (unknown). Highly positive.
SPM (werewolf). Mildly negative.
Roa (unknown). Mildly positive.
Brinn (unknown). Negative.

Meh... looks like the usual carefully-spread "suspicions'. The comment on Wilwa is interesting, though (see Nogrod's take below)

#72

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

As for Lari, I actually don't see anything suspicious about her, and seems actually quite good to me (even with that SpM comment, which is something I can see as reasonable, not saying that I agree with it, but I can see an innocent posting that).

#74.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Somehow the way how Lari makes her comment on wilwa strikes me: It may be that she just wished to express herself differently (there are many of whom she says only "seems innocent" or "pretty innocent looking" etc.). But of wilwa she says that we should keep her around with actual backing / arguments for why she thinks so. And I think there had been some suspicions raised on wilwa, so that would fit "nicely" ...

[He reiterates this point at #88.]

#79

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I am currently wary of Pitchwife, Inzil, Larien and Nerwen

We now know The Saucepan Wolf mentioned one known wolf in there, and (from my point of view) two known innocents. Would he have thrown a second wolf (i.e. Zil) into the mix?

[Replying to Nogrod at #74]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

I really only meant to change up what I was saying. I did my list from the bottom up, got tired of saying "seems innocent" and decided to go with a different spin.

#114.

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

I'm...slightly weary of Pitch's reveal. While he probably was in fear of getting lynched if we still had the tie between the two votes Inzil would be gone. It just doesn't feel that right to me.

Blah, I'm up early and hungry.

Considering I was thinking of voting SPM toDay anyway I might. But I was also thinking of voting Hakon.

At this point she is trying to cast suspicion on Inzil, but I don't think it look like wolf-on-wolf– her aim here is to cast doubt on Pitch.

She then votes The Saucepan Wolf.

So, for Day One, it looks like the living player most likely to be Lari's fellow is– what a surprise!– Wilwa.

I will note that Legate was positive about Lari, however.

EDIT:X'd with Morsul.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

does not look much like the work of an ordo intent on saving the Ranger to me.

I said that knowing there was no way you guys would kill him that day, cause no one would want to risk killing the real ranger that early. But if I had come on and said "I'm the real Ranger, but please don't hurt the fake one" I doubt anyone would have believed me. I was pretending, but I wouldn't have let him get lynched.

Originally Posted by Hakon

I kept Pitchwife alive. I protected him the second night and I bluffed him into protection the third night and really protected myself. The fourth night I protected him and the wolves failed to kill him. Wolfwa I came up with this plan before you false revealed. You did not keep either Pitchwife or me alive. Tomorrow I vote for Wolfwa.

Yeah, you bluffed him into protection the third night because you were still alive. If I hadn't of bluffed, you would have died night two, and Pitch the following night. The only dream we would have gotten would have been of Greenie, but now we have 2 more dreams. So yes, I definitely helped you out a lot.

You guys really think I'm that dumb of a wolf?

[McCaber]

A new day had begun and ended, and the villagers felt it was time to deliver some Innsmouth justice. Nerwen and Inziladun had follow the blood trails from the fight last night, but only one of those had led anywhere. Pitchwife traced the wolfpack using arcane methods and hidden rites, and he quickly had an answer.

When the two angry mobs met in the street outside Lairen Shadow's house, they were prepared. Torches, wooden stakes, religious symbols, silvered weapons, wolfsbane, shotguns, machetes, garlic, molotovs, and the like. Why take any chances with this?

Two swift kicks and the door was down. Craydon and Hakon were the first ones into the house. They found Lairen sitting on her bed nursing a grievous wound on her shoulder. From the elbow down her arm was still a massive furry paw.

"Alright, let's do this," she wearily said. She tried to shift into her werewolf form, but she only got halfway before she collapsed on the floor. Two Molotov cocktails sailed through the windows and shattered. The villagers quickly made an exit, and they tried to bar the door.

They tried, but they were no match for a werewolf on fire. Lairen exploded out of the wooden doors and took the fight to the mobs. Even with one useless hand she was an impressive force. No villagers died in the fight, but that was more a testament to Innsmouth resilience than to the wolf's lack of strength. She clawed her way straight to Pitchwife, who could only stare at her advance. She made it to his feet before all the punishment she took finally ended her.

And the village began to celebrate.

The Dead:
McCaber, town drunk and general layabout [mod]
Saucepan Man, disturbed and disturbing artist [werewolf]
A Little Green, blind ex-soldier [ordinary villager]
Nienna, innocent child and meteorologist [ordinary villager]
Kitanna, Innsmouth denizen [ordinary villager]
Loslote, humble seamstress [ordinary villager]
Lairen Shadow, Innsmouth denizen [werewolf]

The Living:
Inziladun, fisherman
Pitchwife, heretical organist
Hakon, Innsmouth denizen
wilwa, Innsmouth denizen
Nogrod, student of alternate cosmologies
Roa, Innsmouth physician (with everything that entails)
Craydon1, penniless drifter
Nerwen, last scion of a decadent dynasty
Legate, displaced scholar of the Pnakotic Shards
Morsul, quiet librarian
Brinn, Innsmouth denizen

[McCaber]

After the rush of the werewolf battle, Pitchwife spent one last night preparing. The dreams were his, after all, and it was clear what would happen tonight. He used the first of the hours to fill the church with music it had never heard and never will again.

Once he was in the right frame of mind, he finished his tasks.

The whole town was silent by the time the church door opened. Pitchwife rose from the pew he was praying in and turned to face his assailant. "So, it's finally time then. Come in, my friend, " he said calmly.

The werewolf slowly moved into the sanctuary. He stood a moment in shock. This was not the church he remembered. Someone had carved strange signs and painted sigils onto the walls and floor.

Pitchwife continued speaking. "I see you enjoy my work. It's not as good as what your brother the Saucepan Man would have done, but it should suffice. Come closer, into the light. I promise I won't harm you."

"You presume I need such a promise?" the wolf snarled at him. "There's not a thing you can do to hurt me." And he increased his speed.

When he entered the circle of torches, he was stopped dead in his tracks. Pitchwife stepped into the center of an eldritch symbol (almost like three question marks smashed together) and began chanting in forgotten tongues. The creature got angrier and angrier, but could neither move his paw nor drown out the man's words.

The chant reached a fever pitch. Despite his burning rage, the wolf was still anchored to the ground. His hair stood on end and his vision began to blur yellow. Pitchwife had stretched forth his arms and lifted a few inches off the ground. And he made a final cry of "Iä Carcosa quid fecit Rex Fulvata HASTUR!"

The room was flooded with golden light. When the wolf opened his eyes, Pitchwife was gone and the church was undefiled. He gave a snort and left the building.

The Dead:
McCaber, town drunk and general layabout [mod]
Saucepan Man, disturbed and disturbing artist [werewolf]
A Little Green, blind ex-soldier [ordinary villager]
Nienna, innocent child and meteorologist [ordinary villager]
Kitanna, Innsmouth denizen [ordinary villager]
Loslote, humble seamstress [ordinary villager]
Lairen Shadow, Innsmouth denizen [werewolf]
Pitchwife, heretical organist [Dreamer]

The Living:
Inziladun, fisherman
Hakon, Innsmouth denizen
wilwa, Innsmouth denizen
Nogrod, student of alternate cosmologies
Roa, Innsmouth physician (with everything that entails)
Craydon1, penniless drifter
Nerwen, last scion of a decadent dynasty
Legate, displaced scholar of the Pnakotic Shards
Morsul, quiet librarian
Brinn, Innsmouth denizen

DAY 5 IS BEFORE YOU. THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.

[Morsul the Dark]

although I've been told not to read into the text, I can't help but notice Mc kept referring to the wolf as He:

Inziladun: He
Hakon:He
wilwa, She
Nogrod, He
Roa, She
Craydon1 He I think
Nerwen, She
Legate, He
Morsul, He
Brinn, She

[Nerwen]

Farewell, Dreamer! In the name of great Cthulhu and the Deep Ones of many-columned Y’ha-nthlei, we will not fail you! Iä! Iä!

...So I have, as I said I would, checked out Lari's Day 3 interactions. However, I've also found what I think is a conclusive proof that Wilwa is straight out lying about her motivations in impersonating the Ranger. (Coming soon.)

I'm posting the other stuff anyway because she might still be the Agent rather than a wolf. I don't think so, but its best to be prepared.

#279

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, my results of looking at Kit's posts suggest that her main suspect was Wilwa. That's who she voted for on Day 1 (she doesn't seem to have voted on Day 2). She didn't like Wilwa's Day 1 vote aginst Hakon.
She did an analysis of Lari and me, thinking Lari looked slightly 'dodgier'.

He's just saying Lari (in Kit's view) was more suspicious than him... so nothing either way.

#292
[from long analysis of Kit]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

[I]She didn't vote. Based on her posts, I think she probably would have voted for Lari or Inzil, but we really have no way of knowing. And I think the wolves were counting on that.

#301

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Both Lari and Inzil I analyzed yesterday. Inzil was more suspicious than Lari to me. I find subtle hinting more suspicious than blatant cases, and Inzil was doing that towards Nogrod. Of course, we had two innocents up for the lynch yesterDay, so a wolf could have gone with either one.

Fairly non-commital, slightly favouring Lari.


#307

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

This far, she [Lari] could be 50-50 either for me. Though that suspicion of SpM on Day 1 would be somewhat too complicated to think of if it was orchestrated, but then, I really don't know that much about Lari to conclude how complicated schemes she could make (if it wasn't given as an idea to her by SpM himself anyway). Well, though I really don't know. Don't see her in particular as good as to vote for, but certainly watching her for now.

Non-committal.

#324

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

The remaining Wolf then could be people like Brinn, Nerwen, even maybe Lari...

From here on, becomes increasingly suspicious of Lari.

#336

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

What if our thinking that Morsul is the Agent is wrong? What if he is a newbie wolf, told by his packmate to reveal falsely? Or could Hakon's not death point to that he is a wolf and possibly that Morsul is also a wolf and they planned a whole double reveal planning on not killing Pitch because the logical thing for the real Priest to do would be to protect the Dreamer?

We talked about the Morsul as Agent-impersonating wolf yesterDay. But as you see, it was pushed by none other than Wolfiren Shadow herself!

She is now going strongly after Hakon, in direct contrast to her attitude the Day before, when she was for leaving the Ranger-claimants alone. Why? I think there must have been a lot of discussion that Night, and the wolves decided that their only hope was to get Hakon out of the way, whatever the cost.

Given that scenario, #336 looks bad for Wilwa– it could mean her packmate is preparing to deal with her inevitable exposure as a false Ranger by suggesting that she, not Morsul, is the Agent.

#339

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Hakon, you do realize your first sentence and last sentence are contradictory, right?

#341

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I didn't even see that. Good catch, Lari.

#374

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Okay, basically, of all the people, whom I could vote for toDay, after eliminating those I have eliminated in my earlier posts toDay, it's either Lari or Nerwen for me to vote toDay.

#366

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I have been actually wondering, today, if it would be so improbable for those two [Lari and SPM] to really orchestrate this suspicion-exchange... well, but then again, imagining the way it was written... Hm, I will probably read the particular posts again once more, but I don't know.

#387 [The post in which she voted for Hakon]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

I don't have much time because I have to run off to teach religious school but why would Crayon reveal? (...)

So Legate's suspicion of me comes from my commenting on SPM's post on Day 1? With a whole long list that kind of indicates a huge plan between us? I don't like this(and not just because its me). It seems like this is grasping at straws. I was just looking for something suspicious on Day 1, see if the wolves slipped, and well I guess SPM did. I think a Legate analysis is in order for toMorrow.

Brinn's response to Lottie(is that ok for a nickname?) seems rather innocent to me. She just got feed up with the bad claims and wanted to make it right. I don't see that as really guilty, especially with the tone she uses.

Roa's attack of Nerwen doesn't look that odd to me, but Nerwen's defense is rather more defensive at times. I can't tell if this is just a fed up innocent, like Brinn, or a worried wolf.

Casts doubt on Crayon; mildly supports Roa while "suspecting" me; supports Brinn (while making what I think could be a slip in Brinn's favour); strongly "suspects" Legate, and indeed makes a mini-case against him.

#388

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Why are you voting for Hakon, Lari???

I am giving the reactions of the known innocent here as a reality check, in case anyone wants to argue that the votes for Lari came out of nowhere.

#390

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I sort of don't like her approach to the disputes of Brinn or Roa etc., as it looks somehow too "balanced", like, this reserved attitude a Wolf could have to strike to one of the parties, if need be.
Also, her vote for Hakon is undeniably "safe". Let us remember that we have seemingly a last Wolf somewhere in the field and the RangerWolf. It is far too easy to cast a vote for one of the Rangers and not worry about anything else. (That's also what Hakon did.) Though then again, would a Wolf do such a thing? Isn't it too much obviously sticking out of the crowd by giving an obvious throwaway vote?

Not much time. I guess I cannot reread like I wanted. I may vote Lari.

#391

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So, how do you know Brinn is innocent, hmmn?

#399

Originally Posted by Nogrod

There's the Lari - wilwa connection I spotted on Day1 and have not totally forgotten. Also Lari's vote toDay was odd indeed (whatever that might then mean).

#400

Interesting note, of course could be just bad wording, but could be a nice slip. Could as well give it a try to lynch Lari, really, also with this.

#401

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, I'm going to vote either Lari or Loslote. Just stating my intentions so there'll be no argument from Roa tomorrow.

Loslote for reasons given already, Lari mainly for her last post.

#404

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What say you: Lari or Loslote?

Conclusions:

Though Cthulhu knows Legate is sneaky enough for anything, I must say his suspicion of Lari and hers of him look serious, rather than a manufactured wolf-on-wolf act.

Lari has "liked" Roa throughout the game. On Day 3 Roa's attitude ranges from non-commital to mildly positive (really only at #341 where she congratulates Lari on pickng up Hakon's "slip"), but Day 2 she made significant points against her. On the whole, I doubt she is Lari's packmate either.

Lari has only nice things to say about Brinn (#387). A wolf trying to save her comrade? Probably not– at that point no-one was even talking about lynching Brinn, so I see it as more of a feel-good statement. The important thing, though, is whether that "slip" can be taken as proof of Brinn's innocence or not.

Inzil No real connection; mildly supported Lari in one comment on Day 2.

Morsul Now that we know Lari wanted us to think he was a cobbler-impersonator, it becomes unlikely that he is, barring the possibility of a double-bluff. Still, I think if by any chance Wilwa does turn out a non-wolf, he'll have to be next up for lynching.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right!

So, what toDay - is it wilwa for us now? Are we agreed on that?

I don't know if we can agree on much more for the future. I would like this day to be more than just several times "++wilwa" on the thread and then nothing else. Though maybe if we all vote and she is lynched and is a Wolf, then McCaber could end the game earlier..? Well, anyway. We might of course plan something for the unlikely case that she is not. Like, who would be "next in line" after her - and after Morsul, if he would be next, like it was offered yesterDay several times.

Though of course one feels lazy. I will crawl back to my studies of Pnakotic manuscripts for a while if nobody is around.

EDIT: ha! x-ed with Nerwen! Brilliant, so at least someone. Huh, quite productive it seems.

[Lariren Shadow]

Eh known wolf time!




Oh and I love the irony of how I'm talking about the wolf/human transformation in Bisclavret. Oh Marie de France how your irony makes it even into the present day to effect people's lives. Now isn't that ironic?

[Lariren Shadow]

Today, I was working at a nursery and all the babies were crying. There was a little baby piano in the room and I started playing nursery rhymes, but the kids didn't stop crying. Then I started playing Lord of the Rings. Every single kid stopped crying. MLIA

[Lariren Shadow]

Today my boyfriend of three years proposed to me. He said he didn't know what kind of ring to get me, so he got one that nobody else would have. I'm the proud owner of the One Ring from Lord of the Rings. I knew I picked the right guy. MLIA

[Lariren Shadow]

I apologize for not having the musical ability of Sally.

Today, I went up to my English teacher's desk to tell her I didn't have my homework but would have it tomorrow. In front of me a girl was explaining she didn't do hers because she stayed up late reading Twilight. My teacher wasn't amused. I told her I didn't do my homework because I stayed up late reading Lord of the Rings. She said I could still turn it in tomorrow for full credit. MLIA.