WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

He didn't like your reaction to Boromir's posts

Nope, by his own words:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Btw. I'm not too interested in you suspecting or just disagreeing with Boro. That's quite off the mark.

[Macalaure]

Inzil - defense convincing; off hook for now; needs to say more
Nogrod - very strange; cobbler theory possible; Greenie's point valid, though
Nerwen - maybe not sinister, but certainly forceful; all taken into consideration, not very suspicious now
Morsul - seemed strange at first; vote post, while accompanied with disapproved vote, looks good
Pitch - too quick with declaration of innocence; not sure anymore

Seem innocent:
Boro, Roa, Mnemo

No reason to suspect, but under radar:
Lommy, Brinn, Nienna, Greenie
(must investigate more)

Reasonable in limited posts:
Eomer, Shasta

???:
Sally, Lottie, Bes, trom
(haven't played with them (except Sally), so I wouldn't want to vote them right away)

Not here (or did I overlook her?):
Wilwa

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Fair enough, Roa, but my reading of Nogrod's posts #80 and #86 clearly concludes that he did not think much of your argument against Boro. He might deny this in #91 but it all adds up to why he's so strongly against you.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Fair enough, Roa, but my reading of Nogrod's posts #80 and #86 clearly concludes that he did not think much of your argument against Boro. He might deny this in #91 but it all adds up to why he's so strongly against you.

Okay, then why would he back off it instead of using it to back up his suspicions? Why rely on the poor reasoning of a slip when he could be using my disagreement with Boromir against me? There's no reason for him not to, so why?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Okay, then why would he back off it instead of using it to back up his suspicions? Why rely on the poor reasoning of a slip when he could be using my disagreement with Boromir against me? There's no reason for him not to, so why?

It's very odd indeed.

[Macalaure]

Hmm... I've been tuning out most of that Nog-Roa-Boro story, but now that I look at it, reading Nog's #80 and #91 right after each other, Nog is either confused, or twisting his own points.

He makes theories about Roa and Nerwen based on their behavior towards Boro, then he says he's not too interested in the whole thing.

edit: crossed with Roa

editedit: ok, I'm just repeating what others already said... never mind

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading. Mnemo, I did mention I wouldn't be back until now.

X'd with Roa twice, Mac once.

[Pitchwife]

Morsul - looks like's got a time problem, yet making an effort to contribute, even without the leisure to think everything through coolly. Looks rather innocent at this point. His vote for Mac seems rather based on a hunch than a solid case, but with time being an issue, that's understandable.

[Pitchwife]

I'll lump Lommy, Greenie, Brinn and Eomer together (probably Shasta too), as all of them have shown some activity but not quite enough for me to form a definitive impression. Seen nothing that stands out against any of them. I'd say Eomer makes a little more good points than the rest (to be expected from a veteran of the first hour, as I think he is).
Nerwen - well, I don't know. She's been more controversial than I remember her from other Day 1's. Usually she's more calm, cool, collected, very balanced and sensible to the point of inscrutability, especially early in the game, but I think I've seen her get pointed and - well, not quite passionate, but something in that direction - when the situation seemed to call for it. So, maybe a bit untypical, but 'sinister' is taking it too far, I think.

[Mnemosyne]

Pitch and Inziladun are both giving me the closest thing to a wolvish vibe that I have right now. I'll probably vote for one of them... whichever one seems more likely to garner more votes at this point as I'm afraid they'll be in competition with the Dread Fracas.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Pitch and Inziladun are both giving me the closest thing to a wolvish vibe that I have right now. I'll probably vote for one of them... whichever one seems more likely to garner more votes at this point as I'm afraid they'll be in competition with the Dread Fracas.

That's the third time you've made reference to your opinion that Roa and Nogrod are both innocent.

[Mnemosyne]

Okay, so the suspicionometers of everyone else on the thread were a lot less definitive than I thought...

And the vibes aren't giving me any more direction...

Which means it's coinflip time...

++Inziladun

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading.

[wilwarin538]

My thoughts on the first 3 pages...

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Hasn't any of your degrees taught you anything?

Some people are masters at creating ideas and love leading out with those ideas. Others are also masters at creating ideas, but don't have the confidence to lead out with them. While others still are great at taking someone's created idea, and rolling with it, building on it, and making it better. Others still aren't the creative type, but take all what has been said and reach their own mind. And finally others would make perfect executioners, they carry out the all the orders and make things happen, otherwise there would just be a few washed-up preachers endlessly debating around in circles....look at the greeks.

I neither preach nor teach. I am what I am, and I know what I am. Someone's got to be.

This post makes no sense to me. Seems like a lot of talk for nothing. The last line is weird.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

As an ordo I know it. 'nuff said - meaning we're coming to the "uncomfortable zone" here and I'm not willing to argue anything as it's one of those things a player is not allowed to produce evidence for (which is actually just fair). Everyone can use their little grey cells though... and I suggest you all ordos do it and see it yourselves.

I completely understand what Nog is trying to say here (though some seem confused on what he's referring too), and so I get why he's so adament about his suspicion for Roa, but:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes, but people don't always pay close attention to things, especially if they don't have a role.

I have to agree with Nerwen here, it's not really enough to make me suspicious of Roa aswell. Though it is enough to make me confident in Nog.

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

(to Boro)
In my analysis, your right, I like to be thorough. But I scan admin threads, and I typically assume three wolves, because that's the typical number. What I don't like is how when I made my slip, you were all giggles. Now that someone has said, "Oh that's suspicious," you agree.

I agree with this.

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I am now convinced that the secret role is the cobbler, and Nogrod is it. He's clearly hinting at being the seer, which the seer Nogrod wouldn't do, because he knows better than to do something so risky. Further more, he can't be the seer, because he most certainly wouldn't attack me like this if he was. Make no mistake, this is a cobbler planning a false reveal.

I don't agree with this. I didn't for a second get any vibes that Nog was pretending to be the seer, I think this is because Roa doesn't understand what exactly Nog was trying to say, and because of that it's making me question her, but still not really enough yet for me to all out suspect her.

So after page 3 I currently sit at: Boro makes me uneasy, Nog I'm great with and Roa I'm iffy about.

Gonna keep reading and eventually catch up. And as a note: I really don't know what has happened after page three, I'm just doing this to better organise my thoughts, my opinions are probably going to change over my next few posts depending on what else happened. So hopefully this doesn't confuse people too much...

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

My thoughts on the first 3 pages...



This post makes no sense to me. Seems like a lot of talk for nothing. The last line is weird.



I completely understand what Nog is trying to say here (though some seem confused on what he's referring too), and so I get why he's so adament about his suspicion for Roa, but:



I have to agree with Nerwen here, it's not really enough to make me suspicious of Roa aswell. Though it is enough to make me confident in Nog.



I agree with this.



I don't agree with this. I didn't for a second get any vibes that Nog was pretending to be the seer, I think this is because Roa doesn't understand what exactly Nog was trying to say, and because of that it's making me question her, but still not really enough yet for me to all out suspect her.

So after page 3 I currently sit at: Boro makes me uneasy, Nog I'm great with and Roa I'm iffy about.

Gonna keep reading and eventually catch up. And as a note: I really don't know what has happened after page three, I'm just doing this to better organise my thoughts, my opinions are probably going to change over my next few posts depending on what else happened. So hopefully this doesn't confuse people too much...

Well since you haven't read past page three you wouldn't know this but Roa had to quit sadly... She was an ordo

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Yep, that was me, and for the reasons stated above. (The other lynchee was Zil, unsurprisingly.)

Good times, that.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I mean I thought Roa was jumping on you to make you look suspicious - and that looked like a targeted thing. But Mac tried to introduce a kind of general "interpretive net" from the basis of which anyone reacting (or not reacting) to you could be said being suspicious (which is not only baseless but also ridiculous).

That's what I meant about Mac. It looked as if he was leaving an opening to suspect any of those people he mentioned.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

You misunderstand me. I didn't mean that I had posted better stuff before, but that Inzil seemed to be doing the "looking helpful without being helpful" thing. (That's just what I thought then.)

I hate to further abuse a dead and gently rotting horse, but Mac, if your post wasn't 'better', how in blazes was mine more suspicious? How could the same not be said of you?

x/d with Lottie

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

#19 - Inziladun makes a list of those who've posted and judges them. Weird thing is, nothing except in-character jesting has occurred. List seems pretty worthless. Strikes me as odd (just a little bit).

#53 - tromkehra: no substance at all! In-character jesting stopped many posts ago.

#57 - Macalaure thinks that wolf-Boro would not have kept arguing; I tend to disagree - I know Boro and he will never stop fighting! The best thing that wolf-Boro could do is stick to his guns. If he backed off that would be more suspicious (of course...he knows this too). I'm not getting anywhere nearer Boro's status but I disagree with Mac here.

#58 - Thinlomien. Not too useful here, I think. She makes a big list and judges everyone, but we're not really in a position to do that at that time. I'd be surprised if everyone read your thoughts on players who have barely been around, as it's not interesting and it's just a big block of text. Sorry!

#59- 'Morsul's criticism of Mac is interesting. He later voted for Mac.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Eomer

#58 - Thinlomien. Not too useful here, I think. She makes a big list and judges everyone, but we're not really in a position to do that at that time. I'd be surprised if everyone read your thoughts on players who have barely been around, as it's not interesting and it's just a big block of text. Sorry!

I disagree - I think it's always rather useful to read people's opinions on other players, even though there wouldn't be that much content. At least, writing such lists early on is hugely better than bantering, discussing whether Day 1s are useless or not, or not posting at all.


EDIT: x-ed with Pitchwife and Eomer

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, Greenie, receiving your applause then your disapproval in the space of one post is quite an achievement.

Nevertheless, I've gone nearly a whole day without arguing with Lommy; you can't expect this abominable state of affairs to continue.

[Mnemosyne]

Back and kicking. Not really that much to add in the last half hour as all of the discussion has gone towards exacerbating what I'm sure is just an innocent-on-innocent problem.

Oh, and Shasta, duly noted.

[A Little Green]

Looking at my list, I'm thinking of voting Nog or Mnemo. I've promised to give the internet over to Lommy soon, so I probably won't have time for a proper analysis on Mnemo - which means that voting for her would be pretty much gut-feeling. As for Nog, he's confusing me waaaay too much and I can't see a wolf-Nog making the arguments he did - but they didn't seem innocent or cobblerish or anything else, either. Eurgh.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Well, Greenie, receiving your applause then your disapproval in the space of one post is quite an achievement.

Not disapproval. Disagreement.