WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Nogrod]

Interesting...

I would still say that the way Bes tried to reason us lynching Lottie before she had time to have a possibility to dream and come up with something we could consider looks wolvish, at least taking your "simple way through" approach Boro. It's interesting you don't consider Bes at all.

Also the way Wilwa has defended herself feels a bit wrong to me. It looks like she's trying to give up an impression of being innocent... but that she's overdoing it.

I'm not too happy with Mac either... or let's put it this way: I'm very uncomfortable with him as I kind of see him as a monomaniac on a crucade rather than a fair-minded innocent trying to get a hold of things in general.

Although to be honest I have to say that if he were a wolf there would have been an astounding amount of wolf-on-wolf voting in the first Days which I find a bit unbelievable. I mean you never know how much risks or what kind of show-offs wolves might wish to make but that lot of cross-voting between the wolves would be just meaningless and very risky indeed. Though let us not forget that we have no seer in this game and that might affect the boldness of the wolves.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boro

It's a combination of feeling bad because I get a pass the first couple days that others do not receive (maybe I shouldn't be open about this, but it has something I've said in private conversation).

If it helps you, I have lately been giving passes only for Day1 and only for first-timers and people who haven't played for a long time.

I can kind of see where Boro is coming from with his "we must lynch Wilwa now" speech, and currently it seems like the best option too. However, I don't think people should always try to get their top suspect lynched: often you find out later they're actually not that bad or someone else is more guilty. I don't like it either how he pressures on Wilwa getting lynched, but that's more like a principle thing than actually disagreeing with him about her.

And I'm still going to have a look at my theory, but it doesn't prevent me from seriously considering voting Wilwa toDay, especially if I'm the other option for lynch. I feel slightly heartless by saying this, but we can afford losing an innocent toDay (and yes I'm aware this applies to me too, but of course I'd rather not die).

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm not too happy with Mac either... or let's put it this way: I'm very uncomfortable with him as I kind of see him as a monomaniac on a crucade rather than a fair-minded innocent trying to get a hold of things in general.

This doesn't exactly come as a surprise. Nog, most of what the two of you have been saying has been "Mac/Nog must be a wolf!!", with you also throwing in some "we'd better kill Lottie"s and one "please bold names". We get the point. Could you maybe get out of your little rut and say something new? Even if you're right and Mac is a wolf, there's another one out there. How about looking for them? Your last post was better. Keep it up.

Mac, this goes for you, too.

EDIT: xed with Lommy

[Thinlómien]

Love your attitude, Loslote.

[Nerwen]

Okay, don't let's all vote for the same person.

++Sally.

What with seeming to know Nienna was innocent after she was done for but before her role was announced, and her "secret-role-that's-forbidden-to-reveal" theory, and her rushing to say how astonished she was by Eomer's death– I think she looks about as bad as Wilwa, anyway.

[Nerwen]

I have to go now. Good luck!

[Macalaure]

Here, reading, and disliking the voting so far.

[Thinlómien]

I want to lynch Wilwa. I suspect her the most and I know lynching her would ease my mind because then I wouldn't have to concentrate on her (or listen to Boro shouting she's guilty ).

But now Nerwen makes it difficult for me. Because I'm wondering if our original pack could've been Pitch, Mnemo, Sally & Nogrod. 'Cos that kind of makes perfect sense (except for Pitch's vote for Sally on Day3).

So, whether I should go for my top suspect or top theory? It's a tough choice, but (fortunately?) it might not be mine to make, given that I have the most votes at the moment (although I'm quite optimistic about not getting any more).


edit: xed with Mac

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

This doesn't exactly come as a surprise. Nog, most of what the two of you have been saying has been "Mac/Nog must be a wolf!!", with you also throwing in some "we'd better kill Lottie"s and one "please bold names". We get the point. Could you maybe get out of your little rut and say something new? Even if you're right and Mac is a wolf, there's another one out there. How about looking for them? Your last post was better. Keep it up.

Mac, this goes for you, too.

EDIT: xed with Lommy

This post is gorgeous. I'm just saying.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay, don't let's all vote for the same person.

++Sally.

What with seeming to know Nienna was innocent after she was done for but before her role was announced, and her "secret-role-that's-forbidden-to-reveal" theory, and her rushing to say how astonished she was by Eomer's death– I think she looks about as bad as Wilwa, anyway.

Oooo nice to see a change of- erm, never mind. I knew (or rather thought) Nienna was innocent because of something she'd said earlier in the Day which made me drop my suspicion of her, and besides, Shasta's actions made me quite cross. And believe me, I was shocked to see Eomer dead. I'd rather expected Nogrod to be attacked that Night, so when I saw Eomer dead it was a bit of a surprise.

So I picked up on Nienna's innocence (and then didn't vote to kill her) and was surprised because I didn't know who was going to be killed at Night. Yes, certainly. I must be a wolf. Would you care for me to Nilp myself?





Anyway, I'm caught up now. Sorry I was gone so long; after thawing out I did quite a bit of housework and the time got away from me. I'm suspecting Lommie less and less, but if we kill Wilwa toDay and she turns out innocent that will change drastically. Nerwen has shoddy reasoning (on me at least) but I'm not convinced she's evil, so I'm certainly not voting for her. Brinn's dropped off my radar again which I dislike and no matter how much I hunt for Shasta's innocence it simply doesn't reveal itself. I'm quite sad, because I'm really confused with him. Basically I think I'll be voting for Wilwa toDay, though that also seems far too easy of a choice.


Look, Nog. I even bolded!


EDIT: x'd since....since Nerwen saying she was leaving I believe

[Nogrod]

There's Juventus - Bayern München on telly right now and I'm torn between the match and the game...

Originally Posted by Lottie

Could you maybe get out of your little rut and say something new?

And it's actually me you're addressing with this? Of all the people I'm the one who says nothing new? We must live in some parallel universes...

Well to continue where I left... I'm getting a bit bad vibes from Boro as well looking at all that rambling about himself being not suspected for the right reasons and suspected for the wrong ones... or how secure he seems to be with his theories. I mean let's remember the wolves can be confident about their views but for innocents it's rare treat to be able to be that assured about one's own conclusions.

Also he makes a nice back-pedalling there saying that if he's wrong he has still acted in a logical and innocent manner. Kind of brings back to my mind the first Days when he was all the time saying how he can't be a wolf as a Boro-wolf would not act like he acted.

[Nogrod]

Talking of Sally then... I'm a bit uneasy of the way she keeps supporting me and my thoughts - even defending me from a few of Mac's most ill- / half-thought suspicions (which was good work though, you got them right indeed).

There's an eerie similarity with the way Mnemo tried to be nice and "believing" with me and Roa to keep us from turning to look at her with suspicious eyes feeling nice and cozy about her... But yes, that might work with some people, but it doesn't work with me as I tend to grow suspicious the more someone agrees with me and says how inncent I must be. Buddying up is almost always a bad sign.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Because I'm wondering if our original pack could've been Pitch, Mnemo, Sally & Nogrod. 'Cos that kind of makes perfect sense (except for Pitch's vote for Sally on Day3).

Think of the number of w-on-w votes and added strong suspicions - and the devastating result... That would have been the most stupid wolf-bunch I've ever seen. I probably should get offended seeing you suggesting I would be a part of such foolery...

Juventus - Bayern München 1-1, back in a moment...

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Brinn

If they have the time, I'd think wolves would want to analyse more. Because with an analysis, they can build a better case against an innocent to get them lynched.

I think many players find that difficult. I mean, you have to make up all those arguments and then stand by them.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Lottie is obvious, but why me, though?

I guess you're not as innocent to others as you are to me...

Shasta, you keep on repeating that I'm very suspicious because of my interactions with Pitch. Please, do analyse me just so that you either let go of it or come up with something new.

A misguided Sally-waggon, a very misguided Lommy-waggon, Boro being too hard-headed to let go of Wilwa, and Lommy having no sense either. *sigh*

I have a mighty bad feeling about Brinn lately. I wish I had analysed her instead of Nogrod so I could verify it.

Talking about Nogrod, is mild dismissal all I get in response to my analysis? That's a bit disappointing.

[wilwarin538]

For the sake of consistency and to make me feel better

++ Boromir

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Because I'm wondering if our original pack could've been Pitch, Mnemo, Sally & Nogrod.

Switch Sally to Brinn and I'm in.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Think of the number of w-on-w votes and added strong suspicions - and the devastating result... That would have been the most stupid wolf-bunch I've ever seen. I probably should get offended seeing you suggesting I would be a part of such foolery...

says the person who said just a few hours earlier:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Though let us not forget that we have no seer in this game and that might affect the boldness of the wolves.

With the pack I suggest, I don't think there are more w-on-w votes than
Pitch for Mnemo (surely a wolf-on-wolf)
you for Mnemo the Day she was lynched (but your vote came so late it didn't count)
Pitch for Sally on Day3
you and Sally for Pitch on Day3 (obviously)
unless I'm mistaken.

so I don't think that that's any more than with any other speculation flying around in this village.


edit: xed with Mac and Sally

[Thinlómien]

Mac, what is sense then? Suspecting Nog and Brinn?

edit: xed with Mac (I see ) and Wilwa (now this goes interesting)

[Nogrod]

It's also interesting that if you Lommy are prepared to believe in such an amount of w-on-w case-making, decisive voting etc. leading to two of the wolves involved dying pretty fast, then why don't you consider Mac? His to and fro with Pitch is undobtedly suspicious as it would fit perfectly.

If you or Mac need points on that, just check my post from yesterDay where I analysed people's reactions to Pitchie.

Originally Posted by Lommy

you for Mnemo the Day she was lynched (but your vote came so late it didn't count)

What? My vote actually killed her making it practically impossible for anyone to top her votes...

Originally Posted by Mac

is mild dismissal all I get in response to my analysis? That's a bit disappointing.

I'm not sure I wish to use the last minutes of the Day into refuting them... And actually Sally made a few good points already. But if we're around toMorrow I'll promise to answer them.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It's also interesting that if you Lommy are prepared to believe in such an amount of w-on-w case-making, decisive voting etc. leading to two of the wolves involved dying pretty fast, then why don't you consider Mac? His to and fro with Pitch is undobtedly suspicious as it would fit perfectly.

Didn't you read my post? With Mac alone there's as much w-on-w voting as with you and Sally combined.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What? My vote actually killed her making it practically impossible for anyone to top

I can check the vote count for you (useless to argue with it) but I think it was the vote before you that really did the job.


edit: xed with Wilwa

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Talking of Sally then... I'm a bit uneasy of the way she keeps supporting me and my thoughts - even defending me from a few of Mac's most ill- / half-thought suspicions (which was good work though, you got them right indeed).

Nog, I wasn't so much defending you as bringing forth another point of view. Knowing Mnemo as I do I (hope I) can understand her fairly well and I just don't think she would go that far overboard with w-o-w actions.


EDIT: x'd with Lommie

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well to continue where I left... I'm getting a bit bad vibes from Boro as well looking at all that rambling about himself being not suspected for the right reasons and suspected for the wrong ones... or how secure he seems to be with his theories. I mean let's remember the wolves can be confident about their views but for innocents it's rare treat to be able to be that assured about one's own conclusions.

Well, at least you aren't yelling "kill Mac"...still, I don't agree. Boro doesn't seem suspicious to me, and I don't know why you and Wilwa seem to think he is.

I'd be happy with lynching either Lommy or Wilwa. Not so much Brinn or Boro. Then again, I've already voted, so it doesn't really matter, does it?

EDIT: xed with Shasta and Mac