WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 12-10-2009, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Quote:

Originally Posted by me

Thirdly it might very well be that when she had to come up with this "one Night seer" -role to hide her real role she wished to give it a nameSee?

You're not even considering it a theory, anymore - you're assuming that it's fact.

"It might (very well) be" = absolute judgement?

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-10-2009, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

"It might (very well) be" = absolute judgement?

No, Nog, the part where you say "to hide her real role". We're getting into a battle of semantics, though, so I'm going to drop it. *sigh*

Nogrod · 12-10-2009, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

No, Nog, the part where you say "to hide her real role". We're getting into a battle of semantics, though, so I'm going to drop it. *sigh*

If I start a sentence with "It might be that..." it does mark everything said thereafter in that sentence as a possible thing to my ear - and not absolute. Maybe English doesn't work like that? Finnish works like that.

I think it's wise to cut short with semantics though, not to say cut off with "battles" on this...

Morsul the Dark · 12-10-2009, 12:17 PM

++Sally Same reasons as yesterday... Not a fan of this two person game at the moment... Guess I'll see how it pans out...

Cleaning update if anyone cares

Almost done 2-3 more hours oughta do it!

Nogrod · 12-10-2009, 12:29 PM

I seemingly have used quite a lot of time with this idea of a Birthday dreamer... but I think it is a thing we should actually think about, especially with what Boro says about Lottie acting differently after gaining her status... I'm going to check back on it to see if I get the same feeling from there. The thing that I noticed while searching for her wordings was, that on the Day she revealed Pitchie she immediately had a lengthy analysis on Lommy ready deeming her quilty, and I think she has sticked to it ever since.

On another thoughts I think Lommy's defence was fiery and personal enough to make her look better to me. Even if I think she overreacted and even if I know it's not once a wolf has wrestled herself out from lynching with getting personal... And sorry Lommy, I had totally forgotten your votes on Mnemo on the first two Days (as I said I was in a hurry just trying to see for something that would make sense to me what you were doing there in the end of the Day). Not that these things make me think you're pure as an angel they actually lessen my suspicions on you quite a lot. Not to speak of that band-waggon that just appeared from nowhere in minutes...

Also what Nerwen said about Bes being a possible panicky wolf-cub. I was actually confused as no one seemed to react to my suspicions on Bes yesterDay...

Quote:

Originally Posted by me

I would still say that the way Bes tried to reason us lynching Lottie before she had time to have a possibility to dream and come up with something we could consider looks wolvish

If my theory of the Birthday dreamer is right that might be a wolf-cub trying to get a "seer" lynched - and then she might have changed into an ally the coming Night, which would be quite ironic but not too far-fetched anyway...

Boromir88 · 12-10-2009, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also what Nerwen said about Bes being a possible panicky wolf-cub. I was actually confused as no one seemed to react to my suspicions on Bes yesterDay...

I was mostly operating under the assumption that I agreed with Shasta, that I wondered since Pitch and Mnemo were after eachother, I doubted if Pitch would throw out another wolf like that..."Here Lottie. Look at Bes." But if Legate's kept the basic premise of the Birthday Dreamer, turning into whatever role of the person she picks, than that changes how I feel about Bes. Particularly with now the defense of how you bringing this up doesn't make sense, when Bes was quick and adamant about rejecting Lottie's claim being a limitted-seer before.

I'm sure my switch looks suspicious too, but I've been presented with a view about a different role I hadn't even thought about (nor heard, but it sounded similar to the mytho-maniac). It just looks really suspicious that now you (Nog) proposed something that supported Bes' not believing Lottie's claim, that he's had a sudden switch.

In my opinion, whether you are right or not, today is our best shot to find out. If you are right (meaning we have 3 wolves and not 2) we don't absolutely need a wolf today, but this gives us 1 less day than I thought we previously had, making our situation more desperate.

If you are wrong, we still have 2 wolves, and that Lottie was telling the full truth about her role. Since it's been thoroughly discussed this is something we need to find out.

We know Lottie is not the Ranger or the Hunter. She is either a wolf due to the Birthday Dreamer role, or an innocent. It's worth the risk to find out for sure today, than to mis-lynch (or drag out) one of our gifteds. Then to also be stuck in the same decision the next day, because with all this talk about it, if Lottie is innocent I doubt she will end up killed by the wolves now.

Boromir88 · 12-10-2009, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

We know Lottie is not the Ranger or the Hunter. She is either a wolf due to the Birthday Dreamer role, or an innocent. It's worth the risk to find out for sure today, than to mis-lynch (or drag out) one of our gifteds. Then to also be stuck in the same decision the next day, because with all this talk about it, if Lottie is innocent I doubt she will end up killed by the wolves now.

If clarification is needed...we're going to need to find out about Lottie today or tomorrow, the best case is to do it today.

I will be back before the DL, whatever is decided about Lottie. I will not vote to lynch Lommy. And before anyone tries to turn the tide on sally, I will not vote for her today either.

If Lottie is not a possibility. I will vote for Morsul, since he asked for my reasons to suspect him, but did not respond and left. Or for Bes, but most of my suspicious feelings about Bes revolve around Lottie.

satansaloser2005 · 12-10-2009, 01:50 PM

Back for the rest of the Day. Can I get a vote count please? *pulls out cute!face* I'll go catch up and see what I can find. Back soon!

Nogrod · 12-10-2009, 02:12 PM

Porgy and Bess... erm... Lottie and Bes... part 1

Lottie says on Bes...

D2

Quote:

Originally Posted by list

Bes is new. I don't know his style yet, but he does seem a tad bit off. I'll look at him later, probably not toDay.

Quote:

Really, I think only Nog, Lommy, and Bes look at all wolvish to me.

D3

Quote:

Originally Posted by list

Bes still looks suspicious to me. He is a newbie, so I'm not looking very hard at him yet, but I do think he could easily be a wolf.
...
Bes, Lommy, and Nog still look the worst to me.

Quote:

Don't lynch me toDay, because I am the Secret Role. I am a limited seer. I have only one dream, on Night Four - aka, toNight.

Quote:

For a new suspect: How about Bes? The more I look at him, the more uneasy I get, but I don't have time to analyze him right now. I've only got fifteen minutes or so before I've got to go...

Quote:

Originally Posted by adding to a Besanalysis

He hasn't come on again, but when you look at him, he never really says anything...might just be newbieness, might be wolfishness. As he's my top suspect

Votes Bes.

D4

"Reveals" Pitchwolf, gives a Lommyanalysis... ending with

Quote:

All in all, I do think Lommy's probably another wolf, and I'm still suspicious of Bes, but I"m not going to analyze him again.

But here comes the change (Like immediately after)! (bolding mine)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lottie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitch

À propos, I'm tempted to vote Bes for his vote against our only chance of a Seer in this game, which if not furry is still silly. It just might be crass newbieness, I don't know - leave him be till tomorrow? If Lottie dreams him toNight, we'll be wiser.

This kind of makes me not suspect Bes as much. It looks like Pitchwolf was trying to hint that I should dream about Bes, when my dreaming Bes wouldn't really have offered much to work with, other than his own role. Hmm...anyway,

Later she mentions Bes only:

Quote:

Might be playing up the newbie card, but what with Pitchie's 'suggestion' I'm more willing to believe that Bes really is just a newbie, not a wolf. Still, he's one to keep an eye on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lottie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasta

#538 (Pitch) - Retracts his earlier statement of Brinn's innocence, and tries to push Lottie to dream of Bes. To me, this points towards Bes's innocence.

Okay, that's pretty much exactly what I said.

Quote:

There was a mini-conflict yesterDay about Bes's idea that my reveal was trying to get rid of the Ranger, and no one understood what he meant. His post explains what he was thinking, at least.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lottie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bes' vote post for Pitch

I'm having trouble coming up with anything like a decent counter to the arguments that favor voting Pitch today. As has been stated by others, if Pitch isn't a wolf, then Lottie will get lynched tomorrow and that's still a wolf down (probably). If Pitch is a wolf, apologies and thanks are in order, if only on my part, to Lottie. We lose Pitch, of course, and that's sad if he's innocent, but apparently how the game is played. Sorry Pitch.

This post does look very strange.

Which it is...

But yesterDay or toDay... no mention of Bes at all...

So Lottie really is after Bes on D2 & 3, but after the crucial Night she backs away from him using Pitchie's odd suspicion (was it a suspicion after all?) as a ground for it. And now she has nothing to say of him?

So Bes being an original wolf and Lottie turning into one on N4 would fit perfectly.

Nerwen · 12-10-2009, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If I start a sentence with "It might be that..." it does mark everything said thereafter in that sentence as a possible thing to my ear - and not absolute. Maybe English doesn't work like that? Finnish works like that.

The way you've phrased that sentence, "might be" seems to apply only to Lottie wishing to give the role a name.

Anyway, I have to go now. I'm definitely not ready to vote yet, so I'll have to risk not getting back before the DL.

12-10-2009, 12:17 PM	#4
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	++Sally Same reasons as yesterday... Not a fan of this two person game at the moment... Guess I'll see how it pans out... Cleaning update if anyone cares Almost done 2-3 more hours oughta do it! __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

12-10-2009, 01:50 PM	#8
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Back for the rest of the Day. Can I get a vote count please? pulls out cute!face I'll go catch up and see what I can find. Back soon! __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.