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Shade of Carn Dűm
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: The Shire (Staffordshire), United Kingdom
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In The Hobbit, after leaving The Shire Bilbo and the Dwarves pass through a region where "Inns were less frequent". This suggests that there were more than just The Forsaken Inn on the road passed Bree.
They're not mentioned in LoTR because Strider led the four hobbits off the road or perhaps because they had been abandoned in the eighty years since Bilbo's journey. . |
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Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall
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If the Inn was run by anybody at the time of LotR, why was it called Forsaken?
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Gruesome Spectre
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Heaven's doorstep
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If forsaken was simply meant as an adjective instead of part of the inn's name, wouldn't Aragorn have referred to it as the forsaken inn?
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Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall
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If it was the name of a working inn, it would indicate a weird sense of humour on the landlord's part, and an even weirder sense of advertising. I mean, imagine yourself in the boots of a weary traveller stumbling across a roadsign 1 mile to Forsaken Inn! Wouldn't your heart be gladdened? Well, in bad weather you might at least hope the wretched thing still had a roof...OK, there's the possibility it had been restored and reopened after having been abandoned for quite a while, in which case people might still refer to it as the Forsaken Inn out of habit, and because it's easier to pronounce than TAFKATFI (The Accomodation Formerly Known As The Forsaken Inn). ![]() Or (as it's Aragorn who mentions it) maybe it was truly forsaken in the sense of no longer being a working inn, but frequented and maintained as an (unmanned) outpost by the Rangers - a place where they could find some shelter and firewood on their wanderings, perhaps a small store of cram and cured meat too. If it was a well-known place among them, that could explain the capitals.
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Wisest of the Noldor
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But look at the context– we've also got the Green Dragon, the Ivy Bush, the Prancing Pony... these are surely meant to suggest English inn names. Now, some of those are pretty weird, like the Hit or Miss, or the Quiet Woman (depicted as carrying her own severed head). So, I imagine Tolkien might well have meant the Forsaken Inn to be the actual name of the place.
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Wight
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Barad-Dur
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The Ivy Bush actually exists - on Hagley Road, Birmingham, England. It's believed that JRRT actually took the name from the pub.
The real Ivy Bush is full of Brummie Orcs. |
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Emperor of the South Pole
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: The Western Shore of Lake Evendim
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I always pictured the Forsaken Inn in my mind as some sort of Middle Earth 'biker-bar' where the rougher crowd would go to be outside the jurisdiction of the Bree Shire Council to have fun.
I wrote a few "adult" fan-fics around this inn...
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