WW LXXVII: The Metamorphs of Wolf-562-e

[Isabellkya]

Shasta.
How in the world can you claim that an OMGUS vote is not game related; when simply the act of voting someone for voting for you - is game related. Voting a person with the reason that they punched you in the arm the day before at school.. or something like that would be more considered not game related. But the mere act of placing a vote for someone is game related. Arguably the most 'game related' act of the game. Savvy?

Uh.. you just quote the same quote twice. xD
Ah okay, it was corrected. Why do I need to clarify, what I said is pretty clear. You went into your analysis with Paranoia pegged as the WereBorg; and thusly essentially cherry picked the actions/"attitudes" which fit your theory.

Yes, the first is speculation. But it's well-founded speculation. The Bear's game is over at any time if chosen randomly by the Morph's for a kill, or if bandwagoned on while unable to post, or any number of unfair reasons that have nothing to do with their gameplay, and that's entirely unfair to the player, so why wouldn't the Bear have some kind of advantage. The Morphs have numbers - what might the Bear have to compensate? They have to have some shot at winning. The second question is based on the wording of the Assassin role, which makes no mention of the Bear role at all, so I don't think it affects the Bear role in any way.

Your entire wording here stinks. A lot. You are personalizing the WereBorg. I responded to the word usage in my last post.

"plus the Morph's only got their kill left"
The way you said this, was as if they started with more. 'only' specifically.

I never said you claimed timezone difference. But that is what happened between Paranoia and Pitch. He had to vote for Paranoia before the chance of a rebuttal, because of time zone differences. You however, can not fit under that category. So you admit to strategizing your vote.. and nonetheless attempting to work with one of your chief suspects? Very town of you.

Yes, past games are meta. However YOU brought it up - and used it is a possible point against him. If it didn't matter because it was meta - you never would of brought it up in the first place. But the fact that you mentioned it in your analysis of him; implies that you used it in your thought process.

"Puts myself and Izzy both in the "Mostly Harmless" category. This is slightly meta and possibly a disregardable point, but I can't help but wonder if a Bearanoia wasn't making an attempt there to butter up the two people he knows outside BD."

You also attribute the WereBorg attitudes to Paranoia, from what I gather - past games. Meta, no? HasParanoia seen a WereBorg before? How do you reconcile that with your theory? That since Paranoia has not seen a WereBorg- would therefore by default fit the 'standardized' actions of what a wereBorg would/n't do?

Considering that part of your theory rests on the Assassin incapable of harming the WereBorg - why have you not asked the mod?

I got the name WereBorg from I believe something that Pitch said. He say CyberBear or BearCyber or something like that. I do recall from the plot (correctly I believe) that the WereBorg was slightly injured by Loslote and she saw metal underneath instead of bone. I used WereBorg because it seemed a simpler name to type out... than cyberbear or something.

Hit close to your WereBorg role name Shasta?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Izzy

You also attribute the WereBorg attitudes to Paranoia, from what I gather - past games. Meta, no? HasParanoia seen a WereBorg before? How do you reconcile that with your theory? That since Paranoia has not seen a WereBorg- would therefore by default fit the 'standardized' actions of what a wereBorg would/n't do?

What...the...heck? Ok, this is what I'm talking about. I can't speak for Shasta, but to me, a "[role]-attitude" has nothing to do with some kind of arbitrary "standardized actions" that someone does or does not know about (I mean, seriously? What??!) but with the nature of the role itself... um, you know, like, the knowledge the player has, what they have to do to win... things like that.
This is actually an awful lot like your inability to comprehend the difference between a wolf's or an ordo's considerations in voting on Day 1. You're working from such a... simplistic... view of the game, and it never seems to become any more complex.

Eh, well, I'd better stop talking about this before I say something I regret.

[Isabellkya]

Rikae.
My point was that Shasta is/was analyzing Paranoia based upon attitudes/actions which a WereBorg would do.

"so I analyzed him with the way one catches a bear in mind"

He compared Paranoia to what a WereBorg would do. Hence why I said 'standardized'.

Clarified for you? Or should I break it into much.. simpler terms. Would syllables help?

Shasta.
"so I analyzed him with the way one catches a bear in mind"

How is that not going into your analysis with him pegged as the WereBorg?

"I'm fairly sure, based on the numbers, that we have a shot at trying to lynch the more-dangerous wereBear today,"

Is that not in relation to Paranoia?

How does the fact that Pitch apparently does not care about his survival fit into your thoughts?
The fact that you voted for Paranoia before he could defend himself - which you admit - clearly shows that you care naught about what he has to say. That you've written him off as WereBorg and are thus unconcerned.

"That since Paranoia has not seen a WereBorg- would therefore by default fit the 'standardized' actions of what a wereBorg would/n't do?"

This seems to be rather confuddled. My point is that if Paranoia has not seen a WereBear, then how would he fit the standardized actions of a WEreBorg - which you compared him with.

I was not asking if Paranoia has been a lone baddie before. I asked if he has seen a WereBorg before. You know as well as I do - how many different varieties of Third parties can be out there.

Since I pointed out in an earlier post, questioning the probability of the mod including WereBorg stipulations in the Assassin role - you've not thought about that at all?




Oh for the love of expletives. A tie?

OMGUS originated in 2001. town is the village equivalent. townie/villager/innocent. Comes from mafia.. which I believe has been around far longer than werewolf - though that would take research.


Dun. Well considering that you seem to use that as a point against me - I would think you would've given it more thought.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Rikae.
My point was that Shasta is/was analyzing Paranoia based upon attitudes/actions which a WereBorg would do.

"so I analyzed him with the way one catches a bear in mind"

He compared Paranoia to what a WereBorg would do. Hence why I said 'standardized'.

Clarified for you? Or should I break it into much.. simpler terms. Would syllables help?

Would they help you, dearie?

You asked Shasta if Paranoia had seen a werebear before.
That is not rela... that does not apply to... It. does. not. matter. whether. he. had. or. not.
"Arbitrary"means "Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle". If "what a werebear would do" were
arbitrary, it would require seeing a werebear. However, since it is not - it is "determined by principle", it does not.
Understand?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

OMGUS originated in 2001. town is the village equivalent. townie/villager/innocent. Comes from mafia.. which I believe has been around far longer than werewolf - though that would take research.

I didn't ask what it meant. I said I didn't care for it, and by "new" I meant "new around here".

[Isabellkya]

Okay. My main misgiving about voting for Paranoia is based upon Shasta and how he went after him. He purposefully voted when he did so he could force Pitch to vote the same way.

Paranoia himself is too quiet for my liking. Given there is just over twenty minutes until DL.

Unlike you Shasta, I like to question things. As opposed to merely forcing votes as to how I want them to go.

Pitch.. seems to have a defeatist attitude... by apparently not concerned with his survival - even though we are down to much smaller numbers, where any elimination has a much larger impact on the rest of the game.

Hmm.


X'd with every thing after #347.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Shasta.
How in the world can you claim that an OMGUS vote is not game related; when simply the act of voting someone for voting for you - is game related. Voting a person with the reason that they punched you in the arm the day before at school.. or something like that would be more considered not game related. But the mere act of placing a vote for someone is game related. Arguably the most 'game related' act of the game. Savvy?

How dare I get into semantics with you...

Okay. Yes, voting is game related. However, the reason for the vote (in this case, because someone else voted you first) is not related to someone's role, or whether or not someone is suspicious - it's not related to the game at all. Get it?

Originally Posted by Izzy

You went into your analysis with Paranoia pegged as the WereBorg; and thusly essentially cherry picked the actions/"attitudes" which fit your theory.

No, I didn't. I'm honestly not sure what else to say here, other than that you're wrong.

Originally Posted by Izzy

Your entire wording here stinks. A lot. You are personalizing the WereBorg.

So? Sure, I could be wrong, and the Bear could be just as powerful as a lone Morph. But given all the secret roles and power twists in this game, I sincerely doubt it.

Originally Posted by Izzy

"plus the Morph's only got their kill left"
The way you said this, was as if they started with more. 'only' specifically.

The Morphs started with a numerical advantage - I don't see them starting with anything else. If I was unclear in my wording, I apologize.

Originally Posted by Izzy

So you admit to strategizing your vote.. and nonetheless attempting to work with one of your chief suspects? Very town of you.

In a three-party game? Sure, why not? I don't see what's so particularly suspicious about it. Pitch was getting ready to have to leave, and in essence would have thrown away his vote - so I put it to use on my other suspect. Big deal. Yes, in order to get Pitch's vote on Paranoia, I had to vote before Paranoia could defend himself, and for that I apologize, but it doesn't change my suspicion of him, and he could very well convince others of his innocence anyway. Pitch already has more votes than he does.

Originally Posted by Izzy

Yes, past games are meta. However YOU brought it up - and used it is a possible point against him. If it didn't matter because it was meta - you never would of brought it up in the first place. But the fact that you mentioned it in your analysis of him; implies that you used it in your thought process.

Insofar as I was going through each of Paranoia's posts and typing up my thoughts as I thought them, stream-of-consciousness style, then yes, I used it in my thought process. However, I also recognized it for what it was and acted accordingly - you can feel free to disregard that statement if you wish. It doesn't diminish the validity of my other points.

Originally Posted by Izzy

You also attribute the WereBorg attitudes to Paranoia, from what I gather - past games. Meta, no? HasParanoia seen a WereBorg before? How do you reconcile that with your theory? That since Paranoia has not seen a WereBorg- would therefore by default fit the 'standardized' actions of what a wereBorg would/n't do?

In that one point, yes. I have plenty of others, I think. And has Paranoia been a lone baddie before? Yes, he has. That's not a point in favor of or against him, it's an answer to your question.

Originally Posted by Izzy

Considering that part of your theory rests on the Assassin incapable of harming the WereBorg - why have you not asked the mod?

Because I thought it was obvious.

Originally Posted by Izzy

Hit close to your WereBorg role name Shasta?

No. I kind of translate this universe to Star Trek (even though I'm not familiar with it overmuch) and I seem to recall there being Borg in StarTrek... so was wondering if you had slipped.

[Inziladun]

I'll go ahead and do this because I've been unexpectedly called into work and may not make it back in time. Despite Shasta's amazement, I still think Pitch is not likely to be the Metamorph. Ascribe whatever reasoning for my thoughts you like.

++Paranoia

[Rikae]

I miss the old WW crowd... Barrowdowns WW just isn't the same anymore. Don't much care for you guys' new slang, either. "Very town"? "OMGUS"? Blah.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I miss the old WW crowd... Barrowdowns WW just isn't the same anymore. Don't much care for you guys' new slang, either. "Very town"? "OMGUS"? Blah.

Very town? What the what? Where (and what) is that?

*butts out*

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I miss the old WW crowd... Barrowdowns WW just isn't the same anymore. Don't much care for you guys' new slang, either. "Very town"? "OMGUS"? Blah.

Triple post! If it's any consolation, I think "Omgus" sounds like the name of a Transformer.

EDIT: Had a triple post ruined by a dead person....