WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Also, Boro is acting weird. I think he must have a special role of some kind. Loslote, too. And especially Nerwen, Wilwa, Eonwe and BeiGe. Phantom, however, just seems like a clueless ordo.

Win.

As for the False-Seer debate, if the False Seer realizes who they are, they could leave just as many hints telling us this as they left hints telling us their dreams. Seer-hints are always shaky things to rely on, and if we find hints telling us that that Seer's false, we're hardly going to try to ferret their dreams out. I don't think the False-Seer should reveal.

EDIT: xed with Steve and Foley - xe is a gender neutral way of saying "he" or "she". It's used instead of "they"...although I used "they" in this post, so nyah.

[Folwren]

Thanks, Loslote.

Okay.......I really hate doing this. But I'm about to leave and highly doubt I'll have any access to a computer or internet for the rest of the day. So I'm voting.

I have nothing real to go on. Please don't read too much into this vote.

++Eonwe

Best I can say is that I just think that of everyone that's posted....he seems most like the one who is trying to be natural and is almost succeeding but isn't quite. Pathetic, I know. I have nothing better to offer.

Have fun without me.

[Loslote]

Foley, you have to highlight your vote for it to count. The format is [ highlight] words [ /highlight] but without spaces.

[Blind Guardian]

She's not here. I say in these cases just count the vote since the voter doesn't have a chance to correct it.

[Glirdan]

Don't worry about it, I'll send her a PM to let her know how to do it.

For toDay, I am counting it as her vote.

You may proceed.

[Eönwë]

Finally managed to catch up with the thread. Ok.

Originally Posted by Folwren

I have nothing real to go on. Please don't read too much into this vote.

Now that to me seems a bit like one of those "Oh, I don't know what's happening, let me just randomly vote this person, and if they're innocent it's not my fault" kind of wolf-votes. Though, on the other hand, it was really quite early, so I don't think it's really incriminating.

Originally Posted by Loslote

EDIT: xed with Steve and Foley - xe is a gender neutral way of saying "he" or "she". It's used instead of "they"...although I used "they" in this post, so nyah.

If anyone still wants more detail on this, and Rikae's link isn't explanative enough, this might explain it. Blame tgwbs for this (And I didn't even play in that game in the end!).

I had originally quoted lots of false/true seer posts to reply to, but it seems that that topic's been almost exhausted now. I'll just say that I think it's hard enough to interpret well-hidden seer hints successfully, so hints for xem being false will be even harder. Especially as they wouldn't know if xe's the True or False Seer until later. And also, why are we assuming that the False seer knowing that xe's false. We could easily end up with the False Seer not realising xyr nature. That's the problem I was trying too address. And then, what about false Seer reveals? Having two Seers just makes that even more complicated.

Originally Posted by Loslote

There are revenge-kills in play, too. We'd flush out the Seers and leave them to die at the hands of angry lovers. I think, besides the fact that it is rather unsportsmanlike, it's too dangerous.

Wait, so do revenge kills go through even if the target is Ranger-Protected?

Originally Posted by Rikae

As I said to Loslote, you were talking about wolves who have dreamt of the "seer". They would have a whole night to go over the quotes of this alleged seer and decide whether or not to kill xem, and, if they're in a situation where their choice of kill is especially important (which you're assuming) there is no reason to suppose they'll miss something that will be obvious to the villagers the next day, with exactly the same information.

Exactly. There's almost as much chance of the wolves seeing any false hints as us. And with the Lovers talking to them as well (I assume they also don't want the Seer finding their Lover a Wolf), they have 7 of them (Of course, we have 13, but we're not all united in one purpose like they are- in this case, killing the Seer).

Originally Posted by Loslote

As we're all throwing out our suspicions of what Nerwen's role is based on her slip, may I just say that no one's suggested she might be Persephone, trying to find Hades? This is my current theory, anyways. I'd be up for lynching Nerwen, because if Persephone dies, so does Wolf!Hades - and I think Nerwen might be Persephone. If we don't come up with a wolf, that's where my vote will probably go.

This is what I originally thought. She could be hinting that she wants Hades to talk to her. Of course, this whole Nerwen thing could be blown highly out of proportion, especially considering the thing below.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Why not just say "I'm ill"?

Because the gods do not fall ill. The only way they succumb is to alcohol and poison. My sleep-deprived brain tried to make an in-game analogy, and look what it's turned into! And why would I be so obvious as well? Because I didn't think of it as a hint, I seem to have ignored the fact that any reference to Greek mythology could refer to one of the roles, and that suspicions have been based on many of these. In fact, I even commented on one of these in that very post. So why would I make it so obvious? I might as well have just said "Lynch me! Lynch me!" all day.

And Nogrod, if you are innocent, why would you mention that I could be Cursed if no-one had picked up on it yet? If I had been the Cursed, you would have just advertised me to the wolves. Of course, it is true that you may have found it harder to convince others of it later if the Cursed does turn, but probably not much more than you did toDay. Though then again, if there would be less evidence later, you might have realised that it was just a bad choice of words.

Yes, sorry village. And the problem is that now you've wasted your time debating over me instead of the real matter at hand- the wolves.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Do you remember his first post

And then there is the Dionysos-stuff.

Both scream "see who I am wolves!" to me. So he went all he could trying to get their attention and to make him their target.

Much too obvious, as I said. And because he's sticking to this so much, maybe Nogrod's a wolf who's trying to double-bluff by suggesting that I'm the Cursed so that if it turns out that I am, he could seem like he was trying to help the village, while totally distancing himself from the wolves (who would probably try to keep it quiet). In fact, maybe this whole thing is something Nogrod decided to latch onto because doing this would make him seem so un-wolvish.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well then.

I'm pretty sure Eonwë is the cursed villager and he wishes to be a wolf.

Now honestly, I wouldn't do that as a Cursed. Until xe is tured into a wolf, the Cursed is on the side of the village. I always try to play fair in WW, so if I was the Cursed it would be completely against my role, and the moral obligations of the game of Werewolf in general. So no, it would just be wrong to do something like that.


Some more comments:

-Mac is strange(r than usual) in this game. Sometimes he seems innocent and helpful, other times he seems very calculating and sneaky (And I'm not sure which the "Day in Three Parts" or whatever list comes up in. Probably both. At first I thought it looked good but now it seems that maybe he's trying to look helpful too much. But it is quite an original idea, so maybe not.) I'm currently leaning towards an Innocent, but quite possible an Innocent Lover.

-The BG bandwaggon is bad. Very bad.

-Greenie also seems like there's something strange about her. Not evil, per se, but not totally innocent and looking out for the village. So I also suspect Lover, though Innocent or Wolf I cannot tell.

edit: x-ed with this entire page.

[A Little Green]

Okay, I'm so confused I'll make a list. I don't think I've ever done it this early in the game, but at least I'm making sure I don't forget to consider somebody. I think the names of my two categories pretty much sum up my feelings at this point.

Won't vote:
Wilwa - Will definitely not receive my vote toDay. I have seen nothing that would make my alarm bells ring, and she's helpful and makes sense.
Lottie - I'm leaning towards finding her innocent.
Eonwe - Looks genuine this far.
Nerwen - Leaning innocent too - a bit less calculating than an evil Nerwen would be. I think.
Folwren - Posts sense and brings up points from an innocentish point of view. Definitely not going to vote for her toDay.
Lalaith - Her one post this far could go either way. I'm debating. But as I have nothing definite I will probably not vote her toDay. (She's playing her first game in ages, and it would seem unfair to lynch her randomly on Day 1. If I start to find her wolvish, though, I'll stop playing it fair. )

Confuses me:
Kath - She made it to Day 1! I'm proud of her. Other than that, I really can't say this or that about her, she hasn't said much.
Boro - Is confusing me to no end. His great Zeus left me quite baffled, as all the reasons I can think of for him saying that make no sense whatsoever.
Mira - I'm mainly confused about her not posting as Mira. She's posted once this far, so I believe I'm excused for having no effing idea.
Zil - I'm always bad at reading him, and this far this game doesn't look like an exception.
Blind Guardian - Nothing of substance this far. No idea, therefore.
Nienna - Has posted once but posted sense. I know she's excellent at posting sense even when a wolf though so I'm making no assumptions about her role.
autume - A one-liner and a two-liner. In other words, too little to say anything definite especially as I haven't played with her (I assume it's a she?) before - but just judging by the tone I'd say she is not a wolf. She seems - well - too little excited and tense, like, even a bit bored?
Rikae - Active and keeps the conversation running, I like it. That has nothing to do with her role, though, I have no idea about that! Confusing.
Shasta - Haven't seen him this far. Sad.
Mac - Makes sense, but also makes me raise my eyebrows a bit. Especially the following:

Originally Posted by Mac

You could make a similar case for Nerwen's "what the Hades is going on". If I were Persephone, I'd know who to pick first now.

So he's implying that Nerwen is Hades (ergo a wolf), but doesn't make a move to actually start suspecting her? If you think you've caught a wolf, why just mention it offhand instead of making a case and trying to get your supposed wolf lynched? Fishy, I'd say.
Nog - For some reason I have no opinion on him whatsoever. (Usually I'm at his throat already at this point of the game.)
Phantom - I could copy-paste what I said about Nog as it pretty much applies to phantom too. If I had to voice an opinion I'd say I was leaning towards finding him innocent, though.
Sally - Confuses me, as usual, or more than usual, actually.


EDIT: x-ed since Lottie's #95