WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Macalaure]

Autume, who, if not BG or me, would you like to lynch then, and why?

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Autume, who, if not BG or me, would you like to lynch then, and why?

As I was looking at my list I am wondering about wilwa and her post for BG.

I am also not sure about Boro. He sure did stir up the pot, but I'm not sure that he's a wolf.

Looking at my list of players no one is jumping out at me screaming wolf. I'm wondering if they are one of the quiet ones.

You mentioned Zil. Is there something that makes you suspect him or you just suspect him on principle?

Edit: x-ed with up to #231

[Macalaure]

Autume: this might irk you now - or a few others - but I'll vote Nerwen. I suspect her, and you don't mention her. Since I don't really trust you, that makes perfect sense to me.

++Nerwen

[Blind Guardian]

Inzil

because he started this bandwagon and I'm mad.

[the phantom]

(Oh my goodness, you guys posted a lot while I was gone. I'm still catching up, so pardon me if this post seems a bit behind and silly, as it's as far as I've advanced in the discussions.)

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Regarding the Boro opening post incident-

Originally Posted by Rikae

but Phantom seems to have given it some thought before posting what he did, so I'd be interested in hearing what his intentions were.

I thought it was possible he was trying several things, and with my comment to him I hoped to engage him in dicussion and see if I could guess which based on his reaction. The thing that stood out to me wasn't the Zeus comment so much as his constant reference to the Seer. Given simple odds I knew it was unlikely, but- I had a brainwave that perhaps he was talking about the Seer so much the WWs would try to kill him (thinking he was a Seer "hiding in the open" as they say), when in fact he was the Cursed and wished to be turned!

And so I worded my comments to him rather vaguely, knowing that if he was in fact the Cursed he would know precisely how to interpret my comment and also he would assume that I was on his side given the fact that I had "spotted" what he was up to and hadn't sounded the alarm. And so if he were to hint back to me that I was on the right track, I would turn on him and blow the whistle.

I realize it sounds like a lot of effort for something that is such a slim possibility, but the idea of the cursed going over to the other side was just too large of a threat to sit by and not try something, just to be certain.

And indeed, I guess he didn't intend anything at all if we are to believe his quote from earlier today-

Originally Posted by Boro

As for my Zeus remarks, I legit figured since he is my ultimate God of Gods (and sans the Disney version reviled the wench Hera) he was a defacto good guy. Wasn't thinking that indepth at 5:30 AM when I have important deliveries to run.

Moving on now, I'm not sure about Nog's idea about making something of the responses to Boro, as at that stage I personally believe everyone was just itching to have something real to discuss- mechanics and hammering out rules etc. Stretching their legs. Had a Day 2 comment been over-analyzed and jumped on I'd be more likely to agree.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Re: Mac's comment about Nerwen - I thought that perhaps he was trying to confuse Persephone into picking Nerwen, who I doubted (and figured Mac doubted, since he didn't try to get her lynched) was actually Hades. I didn't really think a wolf would have made the comment Nerwen did, as it seemed too risky.

This was exactly what I thought upon viewing Mac's comment and Nerwen's comment before it, which is why for the time being Mac and Nerwen are firmly in my innocent column.

(back to reading, on page 5 now)

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Autume: this might irk you now - or a few others - but I'll vote Nerwen. I suspect her, and you don't mention her. Since I don't really trust you, that makes perfect sense to me.

++Nerwen

Now that just put a BIG smile on my face! In a strange way that really does make sense.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I seem to be trapped in a vicious circle... going to have a cigarette, going to brush my teeth... while leaving the computer on and just looking after every thing done if there is anything that is interesting... and of course there is... Gah!

I hear you Nog! I keep thinking that I really do need to vote soon, but then this is just sooo interesting that I'm not ready to put my laptop away and call it a night. Not to mention I really need to look at who I want to vote for. Yet at this time I don't see any unity on the votes other than the ones for BG.

[autume98]

Thought I'd share the vote count:

Foley -> Eonwe
Greenie -> Mac
Kath -> BG
Lalaith -> Boro
Inzil -> BG (2)
Nienna -> Eonwe (2)
Sally -> BG (3)
Nogrod -> Nerwen
Wilwa -> BG (4)
Keeper -> BG (5)
Rikae -> phantom
Mac -> Nerwen (2)
BG -> Inzil

I did notice that Keeper didn't give a reason.

[Nogrod]

There goes my getting back into more European timetable...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You know, Nogrod and Mac's suspicion of me, Mac's of Boro and tum's of Mac all come down to the following bit of illogic:

And therefore, if you can't find proper hints, then any comment about the role "must" be a hint, even if it doesn't make sense as one.

Heh. You can not deny the lovers (and Dionysos) have a great urge to get themselves known to their allies (and with Dionysos I'm pretty positive he thinks the wolves are his allies as that's the role he's going to get if thwey spot him and he knows that in advance he's the one). It's really a big thing. The power of especially Hades after getting in contact with Persephone is far greater he has before meeting up with her. Actually he will die if Persephone dies before they get into contact but if they get into contact first, he has a revenge-kill and all that... With his lover beside him he's one of the most powerful players around, without her he's one of the most vulnerable.

I'm not talking about the suspicions of Mac or tum - even if it would suit you to bring them all together claiming they are the same thing. But I can say there is logic to what I am saying and I'm doing this because of that.

And looking at the situation (the overpowering need of so many people to find out their mate or group) it's clear some of them would risk trying it. Looking at the thread though gives one just a few candidates so they should be looked even more closely. And your mentioning Hades makes perfect sense, Nerwen. Just because it was made so early you could have not known people like me would jump on it later as there was no general discussion about looking after such hints. I mean stating it after the fact, that why would a wolf-lover say something like that if it made such a noise, is kind of futile as a wolf couldn't have known beforehand it would arouse such a discussion. Looking at the timing of your posting would actually suggest you were confident enough to throw that in as others would rant as well - and Persephone could get the hint anyway...

Certainly, I'm not sure about this. Who would be on D1? But it's by far the best lead I have - as it seems we'll get some information about the Dionysos turning.


X'd with a crowd of posts...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Heh. You can not deny the lovers (and Dionysos) have a great urge to get themselves known to their allies

I don't deny it. But the fact that they have a motive for hinting openly doesn't prove they have.

[Loslote]

I really want Tum lynched; I'm fairly sure she's a wolf. I don't want BeiGei lynched; there's no reason for this bandwagon, and I've been on the recieving end of enough wrong bandwagons to know that it's incredibly frustrating. I don't want Nerwen lynched; I think she's innocent. I don't want Zil lynched; I think he's innocent. I don't want The Phantom lynched; that would be silly. I don't want Boro lynched; that would be illogical. I want Mac lynched; he seems furry. I wouldn't mind horribly if Steve were lynched, but I don't think it's the best move.

But neither Tum nor Mac look to be viable candidates toDay.

And I'm left with the option of seeing one of my darling probable innocents lynched, or Steve. I'm sorry, but that seems like the option I'll have to go with. I don't like it much, but lynching a probable Cursed is better than lynching a probable innocent.

++Steve

EDIT: xed since Nerwen's 256

[Nerwen]

You know, Nogrod and Mac's suspicion of me, Mac's of Boro and tum's of Mac all come down to the following bit of illogic:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And this is a game where several people would need to hint at their mates or possible allies! So it would be incredible if no-one tried to make a contact!

And therefore, if you can't find proper hints, then any comment about the role "must" be a hint, even if it doesn't make sense as one.

EDIT:X'd since Mac's vote-post... and I see Nog's made this argument again.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But if you gave it even an effort, if you protested even a bit more I could see the innocent frustration in there.

No, actually I don't believe you. I don't believe there's any "perfect" way I could have responded that would have convinced you of my innocence. Whatever I did, you'd be saying it was a sign of guilt and something else the perfect response of an innocent. Sorry, played with you too many times, Nogrod.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

As that is the easiest way, trying to find another scapegoat rather than giving multiple choices which are more insecure others might go for... or are right in the beginning (which is the concern an innocent has).

Again, attributing motive to me: I wasn't "trying to find a scapegoat". I wanted explanations from Mac for his conduct.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also you seem to be avoiding some of the questions I made... like the fact that some people (especially Hades!) really need to try to establish a connection and you were one of the only ones a trial for that could be read out from.

See my last post for why this is invalid.

Edit: X'd since my last post.

[the phantom]

All right- I've skimmed everything now at least. Two things-

1) Does anyone have an updated tally?

2) Does BG's vote count (it doesn't have ++)?

edit: x-posted, so never mind the tally

[Glirdan]

Again, I will count BeiGei's vote for now. However, from this Day on, everyone MUST vote as so -------> [ highlight]++insert name here[ /highlight]

I have spoken!

[autume98]

Originally Posted by the phantom

All right- I've skimmed everything now at least. Two things-

1) Does anyone have an updated tally?

2) Does BG's vote count (it doesn't have ++)?

edit: x-posted, so never mind the tally

With that the vote for Inzil is up in the air. So my list may or may not include Inzil.

Edit: x-ed with Mod and Shasta

[the phantom]

I'm not keen on lynching BG today, but if Nerwen continues to attract attention I will vote to preserve her, as I feel her to be quite innocent.

I'm going to go back now and take a look at Steve's post and see what I think.

Heh- I really seem to be disagreeing with Nog's suspicions today (his suspicions of those who reacted to Boro as well as Nerwen).

[Glirdan]

There is still 1 hour left before DL with six players left to vote.

The tally at this time is as follows:

Folwren --> Eonwe
Greenie --> Mac
Kath --> BeiGei
Lalaith --> Boromir
Zil --> BeiGei 2
Nienna --> Eonwe 2
Sally --> BeiGei 3
Nog --> Nerwen
Wilwa -> BeiGei 4
Mira --> BeiGei 5
Rikae --> the phantom
Mc --> Nerwen 2
BeiGei --> Zil
Shasta --> Eonwe 3

[autume98]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I'm not keen on lynching BG today, but if Nerwen continues to attract attention I will vote to preserve her, as I feel her to be quite innocent.

I'm going to go back now and take a look at Steve's post and see what I think.

Heh- I really seem to be disagreeing with Nog's suspicions today (his suspicions of those who reacted to Boro as well as Nerwen).

I think we should keep Eonwe around. If he turns then we can always lynch him the next day. Right?

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Moving on now, I'm not sure about Nog's idea about making something of the responses to Boro, as at that stage I personally believe everyone was just itching to have something real to discuss- mechanics and hammering out rules etc. Stretching their legs. Had a Day 2 comment been over-analyzed and jumped on I'd be more likely to agree.

Indeed. I think it's mostly silly fun, but I do think out of all of it I've got a fairly good feeling about Nog. He's reminding me less of his real life WW counterpart, and in a good way.

Although, I'm not sure there was a wolf in that group trying to look at my Zeus comments. Greenie looks more or less ok, looking at all her posts in their entirety, and not just the part where I confused her with the remarks.

Wilwa and Mac know better, if they're wolves to try and pick a fight and lynch me this early, because they know I wouldn't go down easily and in the veyr least if I died they would follow. Wilwa I like slightly more than Greenie in all of it.

Mac I'm confused by what he's trying to say it is, whether I'm a random lover leaving the most vague nigh impossible hint for my partner to try and pick up on, or that I was hinting I was Zeus? Because Mac, you mentioned Mith's game where I bluntly said I was the cobbler and everyone ignored it as banter. So, you're right, I have done it and I enjoy it immensely and would probably do it again if I needed entertainment. However, for this to be true, you would have to be saying that I'm Zeus, which you said you didn't think I was doing.

In all of it, Mac's been the most astute, a bit confusing no doubt, but astute as to knowing there were intentions in that post. Question is would you believe me if I said, Zeus has absolutely nothing to do with those intentions, you're looking at the wrong part.

Eonwe and Lalaith feel a little less good, Eonwe's been talked enough and Lalaith, while I feel the most wary about her clinging to my Zeus post for her vote. It's too crappy of a feeling to vote for her, 'specially since she's this is her first time back in a while. Need more time on her.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Mac I'm confused by what he's trying to say it is, whether I'm a random lover leaving the most vague nigh impossible hint for my partner to try and pick up on, or that I was hinting I was Zeus?

The former, apparently.

EDIT:x'd with tp.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, I think I'm caught up for the most part (although there was a lot of skimming involved).

Re: Nerwen and Nogrod - to be honest, I think they're the standard two innocent vs. innocent that generally appear during day one. The light of my life is smarter than to openly announce that she's Hades, I think. And Nogrod has a tendency to go after one person early on regardless of their alignment (I would know, ).

Re: Boro - I don't see a reason for Zeus to be hinting to Hera, or to be hinting at all. I don't think his comment was a hint.

Re: Eonwe - I'm putting my vote on him. If he's the Cursed we're better off lynching him now then letting him be turned at night.

++Eonwe

[Blind Guardian]

I'M still going to be killed right?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Re: Nerwen and Nogrod - to be honest, I think they're the standard two innocent vs. innocent that generally appear during day one. The light of my life is smarter than to openly announce that she's Hades, I think.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And Nogrod has a tendency to go after one person early on regardless of their alignment (I would know, ).

Indeed... though I am wondering about his apparent hypersensitivity on the subject of Hades. You know, sometimes people get obsessed with a role because it's their role? In fact it happens surprisingly often.

EDIT:X'd since BG at #250.

[the phantom]

Okay, so I read Steve's posts, and I think he's innocent. His wine comment is the only thing that I could see that would make him look bad to anyone. Some of the other things he said were quite good. He was the one who floated the idea of the two Rangers working together to protect the Seer in fact. I see no reason for him to have suggested that as a baddie. Anyway, yeah, I can't see supporting his lynch.

Problem is, the other two people with multiple votes- I don't suspect them either. At this point though it does me little good to try floating another candidate. It seems to me that it will likely come down to deciding which person I wish to save the most. Bleh.

[the phantom]

Oh, and a word of warning to everyone- don't depend on a last minute reveal to save you. In a game with plenty of Ordos and fewer Gifteds it might work, but in this village pretty much everyone is a gifted. If we all switch our votes to save a Gifted, we're likely to just lynch another Gifted, and possibly one who is more useful, not to mention the ever present possibility that the reveal is merely a WW attempting to save his hide. Doubt coupled with risk- last minute "save me" shouts are just less likely to work.

No, I'm not suggesting that you reveal earlier to save yourself, I'm just saying you need to defend yourself as the voting goes along as you probably cannot afford to wait and see.

Also, am I correct in thinking there are no retractions in this game?

edit: x-post (Yet nother Steve vote?)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom about Eonwë

Some of the other things he said were quite good. He was the one who floated the idea of the two Rangers working together to protect the Seer in fact. I see no reason for him to have suggested that as a baddie.

Now here we disagree again - and it is nice to see you taking that up as I let that out from my final account of him to see would anyone else take it up and in what way would they do it.

Now, if he really wants to get killed, what would he do? Raise the awareness of the wolves, surely. The "wolf!" post was the first trial and the Dionysos thing was his second... but then he wanted to make sure he got the attention and went for that great idea of rangers doing double-shift... if they didn't get the hint from the earlier ones, the wolves should find him dangerous and thus kill him!

Maybe he was waiting for more immediate feedback or just tried all his options as they came to him, I don't know. And obviously I'm not 100% sure about it, but it looks like it really all talks about the same thing. All those posts could be seen as ways to attract the wolves into killing him - and that's a lot from one person on one Day just randomly!

Heh, x'd again...

[Nogrod]

Really, lynching BeiGei is your most cowardish option. And someone should really look closely who made it if that is what you do.

Lynching Eonwë I would not oppose to as I'm more or less convinced he's the cursed one and the wolves sure have picked him - and I don't understand that talk of him trying to be on the good side and tricking the wolves. Let us hear some arguments why he would do that and how do we seem him doing it (well, tomorrow, that is, or after his death anyway, not prior to it) as opposed to how we have seen him acting today.

Nerwen has two votes and you know what I think of her role.


Also I'm pretty confused with the phantom's points... I do normally follow his train of thought quite clearly but now I just think he has the perfect opposite view from mine and I'm baffled.

Of the other one-vote-havers Inzil, Boro and Mac I think are more innocent than not at the time.

Even if I could blame:
- Inzil for opportunism (going the way people went when he voted and being secure not to vote someone who would retaliate)
- Boro for being overtly cunning and avoiding (it's not the number of posts but the number of issues he has commented on - and the way he has done it).
- Mac for, well first not suspecting me heavily, but more like agreeing with me the most of the time!

But that's only those who have gotten votes thus far.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But the fact that they have a motive for hinting openly doesn't prove they have.

No. But the fact that they have a motive - and the urge to do that - does make you look suspiciously at anything of the sort going about...


X'd with a host again...

[Rikae]

Nerwen:

Originally Posted by Shasta

Nerwen and Nogrod - to be honest, I think they're the standard two innocent vs. innocent that generally appear during day one. The light of my life is smarter than to openly announce that she's Hades, I think.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Thank you.

I read this as "Roger, wolf tower".

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I read this as "Roger, wolf tower".

Snerk. How'd I miss that one (if it was in fact a hint)? *headdesks*


Also, Foley, I agree with Nerwen. I didn't think you were trying to be evil or that you were trying to trick the village, but you clearly had something to hide.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I read this as "Roger, wolf tower". :p

This made my day. ^.^

As for pms:

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-25 05:57
Title : Re: O Eros...
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Why hello, Artemis!

Glirdy forgot to tell me initially that we could PM. I'm assuming it's only during the Night Phase. At least I won't be trying to lynch you Day 1 this time. ;)
Yeah, ultimately both of our main purposes are to die in the hopes we can take a wolf with us. If I remember correctly, I think I only get my kill if the wolves come after me. You get yours Day or Night don't you?
There are really two good ways to invite a wolf-kill. The first is obvious: leave Gifted hints. The second is to be someone who isn't suspected by the mob and thus wouldn't leave much of a trail. I tend to have a hard time staying out of the thick of things and wolves like to try and lynch me when I'm on the good side, but with this many players maybe you and I both can make it a few days. :rolleyes:
Maybe I could try keeping a lower profile to make myself more of an inviting target for a Night-kill. Would you want to leave some Gifted hints to get them to come after you, or would you rather try to get yourself lynched once we get some ideas who the wolves might be?

-Inzil

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-25 15:42
Title : Re: O Eros...
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I think that might be a good plan. We certainly want to be Night-killed instead of lynched, both of us. I say let's just both try to make it through Day 1 for now and then we can take stock on who the wolves might be and refine things.

- Eros

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-25 16:39
Title : Re: O Eros...
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If one of us is on the block, it wouldn't hurt for the other to argue mildly against the lynch. That way, if whoever it was did get lynched, the one who spoke against it could look like a possible Seer, and like you said, be a likely choice for their Night-kill.
Playing it by ear probably is the best option though, at least this early. ;)

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-25 20:04
Title : The Gods Must Be Crazy
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Which is a pretty funny movie, by the way. :D

Well, Lottiemis, I don't guess we can do much in the way of concrete plans til Night 2. Maybe by then we'll have some ideas to roll with on who's who. Let's just try to get through the first Day. If you're in trouble, I'll speak against your lynching, and obviously I won't vote for you. If you do get lynched, pick a wolf and hope the coin-toss goes our way!
I asked Glirdan for a firm answer on whether we could only PM at Night, cos it didn't say one way or the other in his PM to me. I haven't got a response yet, but I'm assuming it's only Night.
It's bedtime for me now. I'll be at work during the first half of the Day, but I'll try to pop in when I can.
Good luck!

-Inzil

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 05:21
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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Just now got to work and skimmed through the thread. That's a lot of bloody posts for a Day 1! Ordinarily, I like to stick around to DL to see how other people behave as it gets close, but in this game I just can't do it.
I really didn't want to vote BG, but she invites it so! :(

Nog looked fairly good early on, but he did start to give me an uneasy feeling toward the end of the Day. Like I said in the thread, I always want to lynch Mac anyway because he constantly gives me bad vibes, but he doesn't look particularly evil now. And tum? Yes. I think she looks pretty bad.
What do you think of Nienna and her vote for Eönwë? That was pretty safe, I think. And Boro?
I wonder who I should protect toNight. Can you think of anyone who might have given the wolves some fear? If not, I may stick with someone who looks like a no-trail kill, like kath, or Greenie.

- Inzil

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 10:49
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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I may make my save Greenie. I wasn't all that impressed by her reasoning for voting Mac, but it could have been, like my vote, a result of having to vote earlier than most. If you think Boro's probably innocent, I wonder if I might not should consider him too. If I was a wolf, he might well be one of my kill-choices just cos he's Boro, and dangerous.
If tum is indeed a wolf, I think it's almost certain Nog is. Their interactions, especially she toward him, were very strange. If I'm killed by wolves, he'll be my hunt unless something changes.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 11:05
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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Hmm. Maybe Nienna might be a save choice as well. I don't guess it would have been wise for her, as a wolf, to criticise my vote for BG, when Nienna herself voted Eönwë even though she admitted he was probably innocent. Killing her might occur to the wolves as a way to frame me, too.

Here is where it is proven that Zil makes a better Ranger than I do. Ups.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 11:55
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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I'll probably make it Greenie, then.
If we're both still around toMorrow, do you want to focus on getting tum lynched?

Well, you threw out suspicion on both tum and Nog didn't you? If either of them is a wolf, which seems likely, the wolves might already be considering you as a Seer target.
Had a thought, though: how did you react yesterDay to all that about Eönwë and Dionysus? Did you say anything to the effect that you believed he was the Cursed? If not, I was thinking you could give very subtle Cursed hints, perhaps? What do you think of that?

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 14:10
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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Ah, well. I haven't been looking as closely at you in-game, already knowing your role and all. :D

Sounds good. I think it's the best option at this point.
I'm still ruminating on my save. I was almost set on Greenie, then I wondered if indeed they'd go after Eönwë toNight after all? Granted, if there was no kill he'd be immediately suspected, but that would oblige the village to spend an extra Day lynching him, and there would still be four wolves.

Here starts the Great Plan That Failed. It was fun to plan, though.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 15:46
Title : Re: If The Gods Must Be Crazy, What Does That Make The Goddesses?
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Good points, and I'd forgotten about Pan. Greenie it is. I've just sent it in.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 18:50
Title : Fingers Crossed...
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The wolves could be after me as a lynch toMorrow, but I don't see how the innocents could really think I look worse than tum and Nog! If I get pushed into it though, I'll have to reveal and hope they believe me.
Good luck, and happy hunting!

-InzilEros

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 19:06
Title : Re: Fingers Crossed...
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You're probably right. Just don't be too overt with your hints. There's not one, but two people who think they're the real Seer, and I'd hate for one of them to decide you're a wolf. :rolleyes:

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-27 19:49
Title : Re: Fingers Crossed...
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So devious and resourceful- I very much approve. :)
Well, good luck to us, and to the village. With luck we'll get tumwolf lynched at least.
But now it's past bedtime for us old timers. ;) See you on the thread (hopefully).

Good Night!

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-29 04:21
Title : Re: Pardon me while I go scream or something
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Pretty frustrating, I agree, I was kicking myself for not saving Boro. And then I couldn't be around most of the Day. I tried to lay out the best case I could on tum, but no one seemed to be interested (at least not until after I went to bed :rolleyes:). What did you think of tum's response to what I said?
I imagine Nog probably will be the target toMorrow. But you know, his last post of the Day made him look a bit better to me, for some reason.
If not Nog for your hunt, you could do tum. Do you have any other wolf candidates? I'm wondering about some of the ones who've slipped under the radar and haven't been controversial. Sally, maybe, or Kath.
I was thinking of saving KeeperMira toNight. Boro had made that odd remark to her which looked like a hint, so I wonder if the wolves might not be inclined to take her out to be on the safe side.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-29 17:46
Title : Re: Day Three Plans
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I've been wondering about Foley myself. She's an unknown quantity to me also. I've played with Kath, but I don't think I've seen her as a wolf. Lalaith can be very effective as a baddie. The only other time I played with her we were packmates. I was lynched, and she went on to win the game. Technically, anyway. She doesn't feel particularly evil yet though.

Right, then. I'll leave it with her.

Good enough. Mac is starting to worry me.
Are you going to try to lynch tum toMorrow, or Nog? I think Nog will indeed be easier.

Well, we got something right, at least.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-31 06:18
Title : Re: :eek:
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Insanity! She was so consistantly inconsistant for three Days! I've never been a Seer, but if I was, I think I'd do my best to be the "grey" man, and not attract attention from anyone, at least until I'd dreamed a wolf. I agree that Hestia probably did pick up on Boro's apparent Seer hints and decided to pick him. I see no reason xe would have chosen Tum.

His adamant statements that you were innocent made me think he might be the Seer. I don't know what to make of him now. Could he be Athena, which could give him the ability to know your role?

Well, there are two Rangers in the picture, which makes it more difficult for the wolves than usual. But if Pan and I both protect her toNight neither of us can the next Night. Pan should know this, and the wolves almost certainly do as well. Ordinarily, as a Ranger I couldn't take a chance like that and leave a revealed Seer unprotected, but in this case one of us has to. It's a gamble, to be sure, since I'm banking on either Pan protecting Tum or the wolves not daring to go after her toNight. It really puts us Rangers in a bind more so than the wolves! :rolleyes:
If not Tum, who? A submairine like Kath? Greenie, again? Kath's looking less likely as a wolf, cos it's hard for me to see a wolf being so uninvolved. Plus, in my mind, that's a cheap way for a wolf to get a victory. I'm considering tp also.
For my hunt, I might go for Nienna, or maybe Nerwen. Nienna's been on my radar for a while, and I think Nerwen might look worse now that we know Nog was innocent.
Speaking of Nog, if I read the rules, correctly, if Glirdan picks BG or Steve out of the hat, xe and Nog will return. As ordos in BG's case I would assume, thought that isn't clear. But at least there will be two more known innocents. If Boro is picked (being the False Seer), no one comes back.

Thoughts?

Thanks! It was nice to make them miss a kill. :)

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-31 14:16
Title : Re: :eek:
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All right. I've spent the past couple of hours looking back over the entire game thread. I gave the people with unknown identities pluses for things I thought which particularly spoke for their innocence, and minuses for things that made them look potentially lupine. Here's what I came up with. I'd like to know what you think.

Wilwa: - 2 (Posts 408 and 628)
Kath: Neutral
Nienna: - 2 (Posts 526 and 622). Also, in 622 she says Rikae is "helpful", "logical", and "consistant".
Nerwen: - 1 (Post 255)
Folwren: + 2
Lalaith: + 1
Greenie: - 2 (Posts 109 and 114)
Shasta: + 1
Mac: + 2
phantom: + 3
Sally: + 1, - 2 (posts 784 and 820)

I'm probably wrong about a great deal of it, but what are you gonna do? :rolleyes:

I also noticed in my readthrough that tp said in # 488 that he had "no feelings" about you, and in 575 he merely said "Lottie's entrance was not bad". I wonder if that doesn't speak against his being Athena, since he doesn't look to be so sure about you the whole time. But why else would he become so certain of you? He really doesn't seem like a wolf, though I freely admit I have no idea what a wolftom is like.
As for the vote that saved you, didn't Glirdy say that he wasn't paying attention to the time stamp and counted Nerwen's vote even though it was late?

Kath did vote the Day before, so I don't think she's in danger of a modfire just yet. And that level of inactivity would be a nice no-trial kill, I think. As for Greenie, my readthrough made me wonder about her.

We certainly shouldn't hunt Rikae. Since Tum was proven correct about Nog, Rikae should be the only lynch on the plate toMorrow.
Mac looks better to me than he did. Lalaith didn't really stand out to me, and actually got a plus. Trouble is, she makes a very innocent-acting wolf. Like I said, the previous game I played with her both of her packmates, Fea and I, were dead by Day 2. And she manged to make it all the way to the end by herself. That was Mnemo's Cottage of Lost Play game, if you want to see what she looks like as a baddie.

From : Inziladun
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-31 19:25
Title : 'Tis Done
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Just sent in my picks. My save is tp and my hunt is Nienna.
Like I said, I doubt we'll have to worry about getting lynched toMorrow; it seems a pretty open and shut case against Rikae. With luck, Tum will still be with us and will have a dream to share, with at least a known innocent. I only hope it's not someone we already know, like one of us or Mira. It's possible they get after her toNight again, but there's nothing I can do about that.
I should have most of the Day toMorrow for the game. However, I'm going out of town for three days starting Monday, and my internet access will be questionable. I'll do my best to at least vote on Day 5, but I don't know how much more I'll be around. I'm coming back home Thursday, so if I'm still alive I can post Day 6. I'm going to put this on the Admin Thread as well.
If you get in a bind after Rikae's gone and you're about to get lynched, don't forget to give Mira up as a known innocent just before DL. I'd do the same if DL wasn't about 4 hours after I go to bed. :rolleyes:
I actually thought about revealing toMorrow, but I was only going to do it if Nog had returned with a known innocent. I had such hopes: Nog, plus whoever returned with him, plus Tum. Then me, you, and Mira. 6 innocents, and a major headache for the wolves. Oh, well.
Anyway, let's do what we can toMorrow to try and ferret out Rikae's mates.

Good Night!

And, for kicks:

From : Boromir88
To : Loslote
Date : 2010-07-31 21:52
Title : Re: Your hunt
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Thank you. For not being certain, you should be quite pleased with the outcome. :D

Also, I've disabled smilies, because I didn't want to go through that and delete them.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Nerwen:
I read this as "Roger, wolf tower".

Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten about that. But I actually didn't guess him that Night, because then I started thinking, oh, it couldn't be this easy, so I went for Wilwa instead.